Future of Eclipse Phase?

Wed, 2010-04-07 16:50

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kindalas

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

RobBoyle wrote:
Posthuman will still continue to sell through DriveThruRPG. If you bought the PDF through Battlecorps, you will not be able to get updates from them anymore, BUT we are looking into sending all of those people a coupon for the PDF on DriveThru so that you can download updates from DriveThru instead.

Is there going to be and Eclipse Phase store? or will that be dependent on future publisher?

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Wed, 2010-04-07 16:51

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GreyBrother GreyBrother's picture

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

RobBoyle wrote:
Posthuman will still continue to sell through DriveThruRPG. If you bought the PDF through Battlecorps, you will not be able to get updates from them anymore, BUT we are looking into sending all of those people a coupon for the PDF on DriveThru so that you can download updates from DriveThru instead.

Yeah, i bought it on battlecorps, silly me for not being pregnoctic :D ;) Well, even if i loose the updates, i just have to incorporate the errata into the PDFs, so what *shrug* I don't play RPGs because i can download PDFs with it :D

Wed, 2010-04-07 16:54

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AJCarrington AJCarrington's picture

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

Thanks guys - appreciate the feedback and update.

Wed, 2010-04-07 16:56

#55

CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

CodeBreaker misunderstood the question :3

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Wed, 2010-04-07 16:59

#56

AdamJury

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

kindalas wrote:
Is there going to be and Eclipse Phase store? or will that be dependent on future publisher?

EP will be available for direct purchase online, but we don't yet know exactly how. There are a few possibilities. :)

Thu, 2010-04-08 05:20

#57

Decivre

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

RobBoyle wrote:
Posthuman will still continue to sell through DriveThruRPG. If you bought the PDF through Battlecorps, you will not be able to get updates from them anymore, BUT we are looking into sending all of those people a coupon for the PDF on DriveThru so that you can download updates from DriveThru instead.

I'm glad that you also release the books freely then, because our Battlecorps group account was used to purchase the group's PDF copy of the game rules. Dude, you guys rock for making a CC game.

AdamJury wrote:
EP will be available for direct purchase online, but we don't yet know exactly how. There are a few possibilities. :)

Six words: Shirts with EP art; fund it!

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Thu, 2010-04-08 19:54

#58

PhishStyx

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

Decivre wrote:

AdamJury wrote:
EP will be available for direct purchase online, but we don't yet know exactly how. There are a few possibilities. :)
Six words: Shirts with EP art; fund it!

Mind if I add a few more? Make some of those shirts 4X sizes and larger, please!! Thank you!

Thu, 2010-04-08 21:09

#59

It that must no... It that must not be named's picture

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

Well, the current ed of the rules and the GM pack have been released under the CCL, so I don't think a new company could retroactively change that for people who already had it. And if they did, let's face it, people would mostly ignore them. New stuff could maybe be released under some other system. I think the main issue here, though, is "How well did the honor system (CCL) work? Did EP make money, did people buy it when they had a license to take it for free?"

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Thu, 2010-04-08 22:14

#60

AdamJury

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

It was us at Posthuman that wanted and pushed Catalyst to allow the Creative Commons licensing, and that is not about to change. We believe that it's a positive for both sales and for the fans of the game.

Thu, 2010-04-08 22:19

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Noirfatale Noirfatale's picture

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

You can also post what you said on battletech and dumpshok about the pdf sales figure! Think about it, with the comming of IPAD and better notepad technology, character sheet aps, conectivity this type of licencing has a bright future ahead!

Fri, 2010-04-09 01:32

#62

RobBoyle

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

It that must not be named wrote:
I think the main issue here, though, is "How well did the honor system (CCL) work? Did EP make money, did people buy it when they had a license to take it for free?"

It worked quite well. I'll just quote something Adam posted recently on the CBT and SR forums:

Quote:
One of the things that Posthuman Studios is going to do is be very upfront about sales figures, expenses, etc. So I'll start with this: we wanted Catalyst to sell EP at $10-15 for the PDF. They argued against it, and basically said "You'll need to sell twice as many copies in order to make the same amount of money." We said "Okay. If we don't sell twice as many copies of the PDF as (CatalystCoreBook) did in PDF in 18 months, you can take the difference in dollars out of our royalties." Less than six weeks after the PDF was available (and this was after we seeded the PDF to bittorrent ourselves -- anyone could have it for free, legally), we broke that mark. This meant that we had made the same amount of money, *and* we had the PDF in the hands of at least twice as many people! A few months after that, Catalyst lowered their prices on all core books, and that Leviathans would be Creative Commons-licensed as well.

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Fri, 2010-04-09 01:37

#63

Decivre

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

RobBoyle wrote:
It worked quite well. I'll just quote something Adam posted recently on the CBT and SR forums:
Quote:
One of the things that Posthuman Studios is going to do is be very upfront about sales figures, expenses, etc. So I'll start with this: we wanted Catalyst to sell EP at $10-15 for the PDF. They argued against it, and basically said "You'll need to sell twice as many copies in order to make the same amount of money." We said "Okay. If we don't sell twice as many copies of the PDF as (CatalystCoreBook) did in PDF in 18 months, you can take the difference in dollars out of our royalties." Less than six weeks after the PDF was available (and this was after we seeded the PDF to bittorrent ourselves -- anyone could have it for free, legally), we broke that mark. This meant that we had made the same amount of money, *and* we had the PDF in the hands of at least twice as many people! A few months after that, Catalyst lowered their prices on all core books, and that Leviathans would be Creative Commons-licensed as well.

It's statistics like these that need to be ingrained into the heads of the jackasses that run the other game companies out there. Not that I'm gonna name any specific names. *cough*D&D*cough* Sorry, I caught an internet cold.

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Fri, 2010-04-09 01:50

#64

It that must no... It that must not be named's picture

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

*KOFF* steve jackson games*KOFF* Yeah, it's contagious.

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Fri, 2010-04-09 02:21

#65

AdamJury

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

Decivre/It Must -- if you call someone a jackass, they are less likely to do nice things for you. :) I understand being frustrated with WotC's business decisions and I personally think some of them are not good decisions, but let's remember that there are _real people_ working at WotC and every game company, and not only that, but some of those real people end up taking a bunch of flak for decisions that they didn't make (and may not even agree with themselves, but still have to defend as part of their job.) You can say that you don't like a decision (or a book, or an entire game, or any other product) without being rude about the creators or the people that work there. I don't want to stifle that sort of opinion -- but please remember that game companies are staffed with real humans, and some of those humans are friends with people who make games you DO like. I have friends at WotC, I have friends at Steve Jackson Games -- matter of fact, a couple SJG friends were most generous with advice and information about something they recently did that we at Posthuman were interested in also doing. The game industry is small, and we firmly believe that a rising tide raises all boats! (Which is one of the reasons why we're willing to share sales statistics and want to do more of it ... because if we can help other publishers and educate up-and-coming publishers and fans to the realities of the business, all the better!)

Fri, 2010-04-09 02:42

#66

Decivre

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

AdamJury wrote:
Decivre/It Must -- if you call someone a jackass, they are less likely to do nice things for you. :) I understand being frustrated with WotC's business decisions and I personally think some of them are not good decisions, but let's remember that there are _real people_ working at WotC and every game company, and not only that, but some of those real people end up taking a bunch of flak for decisions that they didn't make (and may not even agree with themselves, but still have to defend as part of their job.) You can say that you don't like a decision (or a book, or an entire game, or any other product) without being rude about the creators or the people that work there. I don't want to stifle that sort of opinion -- but please remember that game companies are staffed with real humans, and some of those humans are friends with people who make games you DO like. I have friends at WotC, I have friends at Steve Jackson Games -- matter of fact, a couple SJG friends were most generous with advice and information about something they recently did that we at Posthuman were interested in also doing. The game industry is small, and we firmly believe that a rising tide raises all boats! (Which is one of the reasons why we're willing to share sales statistics and want to do more of it ... because if we can help other publishers and educate up-and-coming publishers and fans to the realities of the business, all the better!)

Actually, I'm not implying that any specific developers were behind the bad decisions that go on at such companies. I always remember that bigger groups like Wizards of the Coast are corporations that answer to larger bodies, and a collection of shareholders. I also know that those shareholders and larger bodies are not necessarily a part of the roleplaying industry, such as the case with Hasbro (who deals in the much larger board game and toy industries). Perhaps jackass wasn't the proper word to use, but rather jackassery... whomever was responsible for the decisions that were made in handling the IP committed very foolish mistakes, whether it was one person or an entity consisting of a number of people. Hopefully information like what you provided will help in alleviating the myths that caused such bad decisions.

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Fri, 2010-04-09 02:57

#67

GreyBrother GreyBrother's picture

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

http://diepresse.com/home/kultur/medien/505012/index.do?_vl_backlink=/ho... Just got this article, it is in german but i don't have the time now to translate (maybe tomorrow if people are interested). Basically, it talks about how Free stuff actually increases sales and takes the Monty Python Youtube Channel as an example, stating that they (Monty Python) increased their sales up to 23.000 % (i have no idea if this number is believable or true).

Fri, 2010-04-09 03:14

#68

nick012000 nick012000's picture

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

AdamJury wrote:
The Creative Commons license is an entirely different issue from PDF vendors continuing to provide you with updated downloads. We cannot rescind the Creative Commons licensing, and wouldn't want to! :-)

Not on things you've already published, no, but you could simply release the updated versions without said license. It's sort of a moot point, though, since, like you said, you wouldn't want to (probably partly because of the bad PR that would result, as well as the lack of the good PR and word-of-mouth you're already getting).

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Fri, 2010-04-09 03:35

#69

Decivre

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

nick012000 wrote:
Not on things you've already published, no, but you could simply release the updated versions without said license. It's sort of a moot point, though, since, like you said, you wouldn't want to (probably partly because of the bad PR that would result, as well as the lack of the good PR and word-of-mouth you're already getting).

Plus there's the fact that, as professed transhumanists, the folks at Posthuman Studios probably support the Open Source movement wholeheartedly, whether it makes their wallets fat or not.

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Fri, 2010-04-09 06:16

#70

750

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

RobBoyle wrote:
It that must not be named wrote:
I think the main issue here, though, is "How well did the honor system (CCL) work? Did EP make money, did people buy it when they had a license to take it for free?"
It worked quite well. I'll just quote something Adam posted recently on the CBT and SR forums:
Quote:
One of the things that Posthuman Studios is going to do is be very upfront about sales figures, expenses, etc. So I'll start with this: we wanted Catalyst to sell EP at $10-15 for the PDF. They argued against it, and basically said "You'll need to sell twice as many copies in order to make the same amount of money." We said "Okay. If we don't sell twice as many copies of the PDF as (CatalystCoreBook) did in PDF in 18 months, you can take the difference in dollars out of our royalties." Less than six weeks after the PDF was available (and this was after we seeded the PDF to bittorrent ourselves -- anyone could have it for free, legally), we broke that mark. This meant that we had made the same amount of money, *and* we had the PDF in the hands of at least twice as many people! A few months after that, Catalyst lowered their prices on all core books, and that Leviathans would be Creative Commons-licensed as well.

reminds me of what doctorow mentions here: http://craphound.com/?p=2758 especially the part where a online music store have their price set 1/2 of average price, and ends up 3 times as many sales, basically making more money then the competition. Yet they cant go on like that for long term, as the record companies wont allow it.

Fri, 2010-04-09 09:35

#71

PhishStyx

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

No really. Shirts bearing EP art in sizes that you think are too large for humans to wear. You'll make plenty of money.

Fri, 2010-04-09 10:36

#72

Jimson

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

All this talk about selling stuff cheaper and making more sales reminds me of a little game I played on the Commodore 64 back in elementary school called Lemonade Stand. They gave you the temperature of the day, and you set you price on your lemonade. Yeah, you can price high and get a few sales, but price low, and you get a ton more and an increase in profits. So, I like how EP/Posthuman Studios priced out the PDF (ha...and even even dropped on BitTorrent yourselves), and still pulled in a lot of sales. Good work guys!

Fri, 2010-04-09 11:15

#73

The Doctor The Doctor's picture

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

Decivre wrote:
Six words: Shirts with EP art; fund it!

Seconded. I seem to be out of t-shirt transfers right now...

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Fri, 2010-04-09 13:41

#74

AdamJury

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

In my experience ... actually *making money* with t-shirts isn't that easy. But there are some options we're looking into, and perhaps some different ways of approaching the situation can be explored.

Fri, 2010-04-09 15:05

#75

Decivre

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

AdamJury wrote:
In my experience ... actually *making money* with t-shirts isn't that easy. But there are some options we're looking into, and perhaps some different ways of approaching the situation can be explored.

CafePress, or something of that sort, would probably be the best way to do it. Sure the shirts may not be as high quality as fiber-embedded shirt logos, and art is restricted to only the mid-chest and -back area, but they can be pretty good looking and print-on-demand shirts have no real risk of forming a no-sell backstock. Just something I thought I'd throw out.

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Fri, 2010-04-09 15:26

#76

AdamJury

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

We won't be going with CafePress, but there's a similar vendor we're evaluating.

Fri, 2010-04-09 15:31

#77

Decivre

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

AdamJury wrote:
We won't be going with CafePress, but there's a similar vendor we're evaluating.

Hence the reason I also said "or something of that sort". Hopefully the one you go with is capable of doing a bit more with its shirt graphics, like full shirt art... which would be awesome beyond belief.

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Fri, 2010-04-09 16:18

#78

PaulK

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

Jimson wrote:
All this talk about selling stuff cheaper and making more sales reminds me of a little game I played on the Commodore 64 back in elementary school called Lemonade Stand. They gave you the temperature of the day, and you set you price on your lemonade. Yeah, you can price high and get a few sales, but price low, and you get a ton more and an increase in profits. So, I like how EP/Posthuman Studios priced out the PDF (ha...and even even dropped on BitTorrent yourselves), and still pulled in a lot of sales. Good work guys!

I remember that one. Does that make us old that we can remember with fond memories such things as Lemonade Stand and Dam Busters on the C64? /Paul

Fri, 2010-04-09 16:45

#79

Decivre

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

PaulK wrote:
I remember that one. Does that make us old that we can remember with fond memories such things as Lemonade Stand and Dam Busters on the C64? /Paul

Not necessarily. I'm in my mid-20s, and I can talk about all the Atari I used to play when I was young, even though I was still just an egg when that bad boy released. Of course, I have every intention of being rendered immortal within my lifetime, so I don't think I should ever feel old.

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Fri, 2010-04-09 20:07

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It that must no... It that must not be named's picture

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

AdamJury wrote:
Decivre/It Must -- if you call someone a jackass, they are less likely to do nice things for you. :) I understand being frustrated with WotC's business decisions and I personally think some of them are not good decisions, but let's remember that there are _real people_ working at WotC and every game company, and not only that, but some of those real people end up taking a bunch of flak for decisions that they didn't make (and may not even agree with themselves, but still have to defend as part of their job.) You can say that you don't like a decision (or a book, or an entire game, or any other product) without being rude about the creators or the people that work there. I don't want to stifle that sort of opinion -- but please remember that game companies are staffed with real humans, and some of those humans are friends with people who make games you DO like. I have friends at WotC, I have friends at Steve Jackson Games -- matter of fact, a couple SJG friends were most generous with advice and information about something they recently did that we at Posthuman were interested in also doing. The game industry is small, and we firmly believe that a rising tide raises all boats! (Which is one of the reasons why we're willing to share sales statistics and want to do more of it ... because if we can help other publishers and educate up-and-coming publishers and fans to the realities of the business, all the better!)

At times letting people act like dicks without telling them they're doing so is simply enabling them to go on being dicks, which doesn't help them or the community they're part of. Also, sometimes people just drive you away so much you don't care if calling them dicks helps or not, you just feel better doing it.

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Sat, 2010-04-10 01:53

#81

Railgun

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

Ookoodook, Richard Burlew's publishing company?

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Sat, 2010-04-10 02:18

#82

Decivre

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

Railgun wrote:
Ookoodook, Richard Burlew's publishing company?

They are a retail company, not a publishing company. Posthuman needs to find a publisher.

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Mon, 2010-04-12 12:49

#83

eMouse

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

AdamJury wrote:
I understand being frustrated with WotC's business decisions and I personally think some of them are not good decisions, but let's remember that there are _real people_ working at WotC and every game company, and not only that, but some of those real people end up taking a bunch of flak for decisions that they didn't make (and may not even agree with themselves, but still have to defend as part of their job.)

I wish we could get similar information on what WotC's sales have done since they stopped making PDFs. It hasn't prevented people from making PDFs of their books available. Based on what the WotC president said in an interview at the time, PDF sales constituted at least 10 percent of their book sales. It would be interesting to find out if those sales were replaced, or just went away.

Mon, 2010-04-12 13:44

#84

AdamJury

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

I have no idea what percentage of WotC's sales were electronic, and I've seen no numbers that I see as credible. Do you have a link to that source of info? But one thing I know for sure: they've made $0 on PDF sales lately. Did they make that up with increased print sales or increased DDI subscriptions? That, I don't know.

Mon, 2010-04-12 14:18

#85

CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

All I know is that they stopped making money off of me. For some reason any book I buy from them is terrible quality paper. Doesn't matter how I get it to my home it will crinkle all to hell and sometimes run. The strange thing is if I travel 50 miles west to Glasgow and buy it it is fine, even when brought home. But I refuse to get a bus to Glasgow every time I want to buy a D&D book. Shame, I like 4E.

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Mon, 2010-04-12 16:29

#86

wesleystreet wesleystreet's picture

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

eMouse wrote:
I wish we could get similar information on what WotC's sales have done since they stopped making PDFs. It hasn't prevented people from making PDFs of their books available. Based on what the WotC president said in an interview at the time, PDF sales constituted at least 10 percent of their book sales. It would be interesting to find out if those sales were replaced, or just went away.

Hasbro doesn't release detailed sales figures of individual product lines; only sales totals by division. Their investor relations page is here if anyone is interested. So any numbers you see in regard to individual title sales are probably here-say or guesstimates. Diamond Shipping is the sole distributor for the comic book industry and it does track sales of individual titles to retailers. Its sister company Alliance Game Distributors may follow the same practice but I believe you have to be a retailer or manufacturer to have access to that information. And, unlike comics, I don't believe they're the only game distributor.

CodeBreaker wrote:
All I know is that they stopped making money off of me. For some reason any book I buy from them is terrible quality paper. Doesn't matter how I get it to my home it will crinkle all to hell and sometimes run.

That's rather odd as the WotC products I purchase are printed on good quality paper. Either yours come in on a leaky tramp freighter and are exposed to excessive moisture or you have a local Hasbro affiliate in the UK that uses cheaper paper stock.

Mon, 2010-04-12 16:35

#87

CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

My PHB1/MM1/DMG1 are all fine. Everything else is not that great. My MM2 is terrible. I put it down to an evil curse that has been cast on me by one of my players or something.

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Tue, 2010-04-13 16:29

#88

The Doctor The Doctor's picture

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

PaulK wrote:
I remember that one. Does that make us old that we can remember with fond memories such things as Lemonade Stand and Dam Busters on the C64?

*looks up from the tattered notebook of handwritten notes taken from [u]Neuromancer[/u] held together with twist-ties* I cannot imagine why one would feel old... :)

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Wed, 2010-04-14 01:15

#89

Jimson

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

I didn't think I was old, but perhaps I'm getting there. The good thing is, I don't act like it. Sorry, didn't mean to get this thread off topic. Now I'm going to show my lack on knowledge in the world of books. So, Posthuman Studios owns EP, and Catalyst was the Publisher. So, what does a Publisher do? What can't Posthuman Studios produce EP on its own? Again, sorry if the answers of these questions are obvious.

Wed, 2010-04-14 01:32

#90

AdamJury

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

Jimson wrote:
Now I'm going to show my lack on knowledge in the world of books. So, Posthuman Studios owns EP, and Catalyst was the Publisher. So, what does a Publisher do? What can't Posthuman Studios produce EP on its own? Again, sorry if the answers of these questions are obvious.

Catalyst handled things such as dealing with printers, distributors, doing arrangements for conventions, etc. Basically: a lot of business stuff that if Posthuman was handling itself, we would have less time for Making Cool Stuff. We can do it, and it's under consideration, but we're also considering other suitable partners to take the business-burden off us. :-) (This is a very short post for a topic that we could fill an entire book with ... )

Wed, 2010-04-14 07:09

#91

750

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

in other words, the publisher is the book equivalent of a agent?

Wed, 2010-04-14 07:31

#92

Decivre

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

750 wrote:
in other words, the publisher is the book equivalent of a agent?

Not quite. If we're making a reference to the music industry, then it's more a combination CD printing company and distributer. They are in charge of manufacturing the books (or finding companies to manufacture the books) and finding stores willing to carry the books, as well as advertising. A better comparison would be the videogame industry, which is similarly organized. In Halo's case, the developer was Bungie and the publisher was Microsoft.

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Wed, 2010-04-14 08:08

#93

AdamJury

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

No. In the "traditional" publishing world, an agent is the person/company who takes books from their stable of authors and attempts to find publishers who will publish them. :)

Wed, 2010-04-14 08:30

#94

JediSoth

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

Printing is an expensive part of the business. I don't blame any company at all for wanting to only develop content and work out a deal with someone else to deal with the printers and such. heh....maybe my experience dealing with printers could be my backdoor into the industry. :p

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Wed, 2010-04-14 08:34

#95

Octomorph

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

Adam, you might talk to the guys at Pagan Publishing about how they've handled self-production. They've been doing it for quite a while and the physical product is generally quite good (as of course, is their content). You can definitely find them over at the yog-sothoth.com forum sites and I know that Dennis Detwiler has a blog/site (can't remember off the top of my head what it is though).

Wed, 2010-04-14 15:49

#96

AdamJury

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

Oh, we can *do* that sort of thing, we know how -- remember, Rob ran FanPro LLC from 2002 to 2007. But if we can have someone who's an expert at it do it, saving us time, money, and aggravation ... ;-)

Wed, 2010-04-14 15:54

#97

Decivre

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

AdamJury wrote:
Oh, we can *do* that sort of thing, we know how -- remember, Rob ran FanPro LLC from 2002 to 2007. But if we can have someone who's an expert at it do it, saving us time, money, and aggravation ... ;-)

And the cost of purchasing a printing press, which is the largest hindrance to producing books. Them bastards are expensive!

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Wed, 2010-04-14 16:01

#98

AdamJury

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

A publisher doesn't have to -- and very rarely -- owns large printing equipment. That's what we pay printers to do. :)

Fri, 2010-04-16 18:27

#99

Jimson

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

Thanks Adam. That's kind of what I thought they did, but wasn't sure. Being a new home owner, I understand, somethings are worth paying others to do. : )

Mon, 2010-04-19 05:47

#100

GJD

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

Hi Guys Have you qonsidered Mongoose Publishing? Their Flaming Cobra program might be worth a look? www.mongoosepublishing.com G.

Mon, 2010-04-19 10:58

#101

eMouse

Re: Future of Eclipse Phase?

eMouse wrote:
I wish we could get similar information on what WotC's sales have done since they stopped making PDFs. It hasn't prevented people from making PDFs of their books available. Based on what the WotC president said in an interview at the time, PDF sales constituted at least 10 percent of their book sales. It would be interesting to find out if those sales were replaced, or just went away.

Oops! I had my numbers wrong. The 10:1 ratio was the ratio WotC President Greg Leeds claimed to be the number of illegal downloads vs. legal purchases. Not sure if he meant legal PDF purchases or all purchases. http://www.enworld.org/forum/news/254134-exclusive-interview-wizards-coa...

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2. Is online piracy a continuing annoyance for Wizards, a substantial concern, or something between the two? Are there estimates of lost sales figures that you can share? The piracy became a substantial concern when we saw thousands of copies of our recently released Player’s Handbook 2 being downloaded illegally within hours of its release. We cannot share sales figures, but I can tell you that we conservatively estimate the ratio of illicit downloads to legally purchased copies was 10:1.

By comparison, the developer of Crysis pinned their estimate of piracy at 20:1. http://www.gamasutra.com/php-bin/news_index.php?story=19203 I'm wondering if there's a similar ratio known of downloads from the official torrent vs. total sales?

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