Rimward Discussion Thread

Wed, 2012-07-25 17:01

#2

TekHed

Are they going to release the

Are they going to release the pdf for free? I'd rather spend my money on the dead tree version, since I find them easier to read.

Wed, 2012-07-25 18:30

#3

Tnargraef

We have Urkan Backpacks.

We have Urkan Backpacks. Ego Sharing really makes me want to make Voltron somehow. The dozens upon dozens of habitats ripe for plot hooks. I'm liking it so far.

Wed, 2012-07-25 18:43

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Killebrew

TekHed wrote:Are they going

TekHed wrote:
Are they going to release the pdf for free? I'd rather spend my money on the dead tree version, since I find them easier to read.

My understanding of the creative commons license is that they don't necessarily release it free, though I know they did with the others, anyone can post it to be shared if the have a copy and care to?

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Wed, 2012-07-25 21:28

#5

Gerzel

Sorry mate. The PDF just

Sorry mate. The PDF just came out and I spent my cash on buying it. Even if it were legal(I don't think it is but could be wrong) to give you a copy I wouldn't because I want you to go give the nice folks at Posthuman Studios some of your creds.

Wed, 2012-07-25 21:47

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Lord High Munchkin Lord High Munchkin's picture

It's only $10

Yup, remember 'The Golden Rule'... buy it.

Wed, 2012-07-25 23:16

#7

Decivre

If you know where to look, it

If you know where to look, it's fairly easy to find on the net already. That said, it's an unwritten rule that around here, we tend to avoid doing explicit piracy, even though it's largely allowed. I've released variants of the core book, but they are usually dumbed down or reduced, with material removed. That way there's still some incentive to get the actual books. Of course, Rob Boyle tends to put the books on his blog after a couple days. So that's always a place to go to get a copy, when it arrives on that site.

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Wed, 2012-07-25 23:19

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TadanoriOyama TadanoriOyama's picture

So far I'm seeing everything

So far I'm seeing everything that I wanted from the book. I'm reading the PDF at my desktop so it's not as relaxed as normal. I probably won't do much detailed study until I get a print edition.

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Wed, 2012-07-25 23:22

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Thampsan

Book is amazing, after a few

Book is amazing, after a few days ask again and someone here might share it - remember it IS legal to share the books, just not resell or sell any derivative based work. However given how long this book was in production I think there should be an (unofficial, code of honour) embargo on actually sharing the book to give the authors a chance to at least make a little money off it. Think of it as good will.

Wed, 2012-07-25 23:50

#10

Decivre

Thampsan wrote:However given

Thampsan wrote:
However given how long this book was in production I think there should be an (unofficial, code of honour) embargo on actually sharing the book to give the authors a chance to at least make a little money off it. Think of it as good will.

So far as I know, it's always been an unwritten tradition to avoid linking to the original book PDFs despite being free to do so, at least with regards to this forum. I doubt it's actually enforced, but it's something we tend to do, as I've never seen a direct link (or at least I don't remember seeing one) posted up by a member that wasn't one of the devs.

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Thu, 2012-07-26 00:10

#11

kylleran

Hi all!

Hi all! Just wanted to drop in quick and hopefully clarify so we get back to discussing Rimward. Our policy has always been that if you want it for free it's free. We've never really come down one way or another on the forums since we prefer to not interfere with whatever norms develop. That being said I know my belief, echoed in slightly different ways by Adam and Rob, is that we think we put out a great product. And we want as many people as possible to see that product. If they like it we believe they will support us in the future so they can see more of that product. If they don't we'd rather they don't feel they got 'ripped off' having to pay an unfair price. So we use the CC license and trust our fanbase to reward us for our decisions, both in making the game and in business. This means that we probably lose a few sales every release, but it also means we hopefully reach a lot more people than we normally would if we always charged 10, or 15, or even 25 dollars for a new pdf. Plus it means that we have to keep putting out a great product that makes people want to give us money so they can see more. Hope this clarifies at least a little how we view all of this. Back on topic if there's any questions regarding specific bits of Rimward I'll be checking in on this thread over the next few days and I'd be happy to take a stab at them if I can.

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Thu, 2012-07-26 00:58

#12

Seekerofshadowlight Seekerofshadowlight's picture

I have no questions as yet, I

I have no questions as yet, I do however really enjoy what I am seeing. Nice take on the Republic as well. It gives off the right vibe for me, very militant, controlled and ready to rip itself or something else apart.

Thu, 2012-07-26 01:25

#13

NewAgeOfPower NewAgeOfPower's picture

Definitely buying this once

Definitely buying this.

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Thu, 2012-07-26 02:16

#14

The Green Slime The Green Slime's picture

The Ultimates: Gym Jones,

The Ultimates: Gym Jones, Uranus chapter. I always knew I was right to hate those bastards at first sight.

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Thu, 2012-07-26 02:51

#15

Decivre

The Green Slime wrote:The

NewAgeOfPower wrote:
Definitely buying this.

You should, it's a good buy. Especially if you're looking for some of the new info it delves into. [list][*]Information on factions which we've only glimpsed into previously, like the Jovian Republic and the Ultimates. [*]A larger writeup on how the Autonomist Alliance works, which includes how reputation networks are handled within setting, as opposed to new rules regarding them. [*]Lots of great new setting info, like popular sports, the governmental structure of Titan, new info about what happened to the religious evacuees of Earth, and plenty more. [*]Sweet new morphs. Ever wanted a synthmorph piloted by six brains?[/list]

The Green Slime wrote:
The Ultimates: Gym Jones, Uranus chapter. I always knew I was right to hate those bastards at first sight.

Pfff, please. Gym Jones is a goofy exercise fad. The Ultimates are about mental and physical perfection, which does not necessitate pointless exercise so much as it does discipline and training. Especially with genetic modification and implants in existence. Why waste your time exercising when you could study philosophy, learn a new craft, or hone your combat skills? Ever seen the show Andromeda? Think Nietzscheans.

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Thu, 2012-07-26 03:46

#16

Gee4orce

The PDFs from DriveThruRPG

The PDFs from DriveThruRPG are watermarked with your name (in the bottom left corner) - I wonder, does this mean these ones can't be legally shared ? Is it possible to even impose a restriction onto something that was already relased as Creative Commons (I think not).

Thu, 2012-07-26 03:50

#17

Decivre

Really? Mine doesn't have one

Gee4orce wrote:
The PDFs from DriveThruRPG are watermarked with your name (in the bottom left corner) - I wonder, does this mean these ones can't be legally shared ? Is it possible to even impose a restriction onto something that was already relased as Creative Commons (I think not).

Really? Mine doesn't have one. Are you sure? DTRPG always says that Eclipse Phase books are watermarked, but so far I've never seen any watermarks. When did you download your copy, early in the day? Maybe if you redownload it, the watermark won't be there.

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Thu, 2012-07-26 04:11

#18

Xagroth

I'm having slight problems

I'm having slight problems with the DriveThruRPG PDF. It is not watermarked, by the way. The problem is that the Acrobat Reader (version X - 10.3) has "hiccups" each time a new page loads every now and then. That happened before with other EP files in my notebook, but I'm reading this in the desktop computer, so... By the way, Does the Fenrir need six egos to be used? I am assuming that one is the gunner, other the driver, the third is the "leader", the fourth is a spotter, but what about #5 and #6? Electronic Warfare could be one of the new seats, but I'm at a loss with the sixth. Also, call me a BOLO-fan, but I miss some sort of deployable drones to act as explorers ^^U

Thu, 2012-07-26 04:25

#19

Decivre

Xagroth wrote:I'm having

Xagroth wrote:
I'm having slight problems with the DriveThruRPG PDF. It is not watermarked, by the way. The problem is that the Acrobat Reader (version X - 10.3) has "hiccups" each time a new page loads every now and then. That happened before with other EP files in my notebook, but I'm reading this in the desktop computer, so...

I have those too. I don't know if it's because of a problem with the PDF, or just a shoddy reader on Adobe's part. I tend toward the latter, if only because I know too well many of the problems that their other software tends to have.

Xagroth wrote:
By the way, Does the Fenrir need six egos to be used? I am assuming that one is the gunner, other the driver, the third is the "leader", the fourth is a spotter, but what about #5 and #6? Electronic Warfare could be one of the new seats, but I'm at a loss with the sixth.

No. Six is just the maximum. The egos get to determine who controls what, and they cannot control something at the same time. In-game, it works as if the parts that a specific ego is in control of acts on their action turn. In effect, with 6 egos, the whole vehicle gets 6 action phases… one for each ego. But apparently, the stock version only houses 2 egos. You need to purchase 4 more Ego Sharing enhancements to get to full capacity.

Xagroth wrote:
Also, call me a BOLO-fan, but I miss some sort of deployable drones to act as explorers ^^U

There are plenty in Gatecrashing, and I don't doubt that many of those drones started out being used elsewhere in the system before Gatecrashing became popular.

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Thu, 2012-07-26 05:10

#20

Killebrew

Must say it's a very

Must say it's a very enjoyable read so far. I'm rather curious if anyone has had any change in opinion regarding the Jovian Republic based on their section.

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Thu, 2012-07-26 05:44

#21

AdamJury

Gee4orce wrote:The PDFs from

Gee4orce wrote:
The PDFs from DriveThruRPG are watermarked with your name (in the bottom left corner) - I wonder, does this mean these ones can't be legally shared ?

This should not be happening. I turn watermarking off on all the PDFs we sell. We wouldn't insist on scribbling your name on every page of a print book... ;-) However, if there was a watermark on a CC-licensed file, that does in no way negate the CC-license. It's just a watermark. It just says that Bob Smith was the one that originally -- legally -- shared the file.

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Is it possible to even impose a restriction onto something that was already relased as Creative Commons (I think not).

Yes, in some ways, but discussion of that is beyond the scope of the thread.

Thu, 2012-07-26 05:46

#22

AdamJury

Xagroth wrote:I'm having

Xagroth wrote:
I'm having slight problems with the DriveThruRPG PDF. It is not watermarked, by the way. The problem is that the Acrobat Reader (version X - 10.3) has "hiccups" each time a new page loads every now and then. That happened before with other EP files in my notebook, but I'm reading this in the desktop computer, so...

Sounds like it might just be Adobe Reader acting up. Please make sure you're updated to the absolute most recent version, and if problems are really awful, drop me a line at adam at posthumanstudios.com with more detail and I'll try and help debug the problems.

Thu, 2012-07-26 08:46

#23

Xagroth

Adam, it might be something

Adam, it might be something related to RAM management on the Acrobat Reader part (it is version 10.1.3, I just checked, without any updates avaiable), because, as I said, I get the same error in my notebook computer when opening any of the EP PDFs (my notebook has less than 1 GB RAM). It might be related to the software used to create the PDFs in the first place, if it wasn't Adobe Acrobat Writer. Also, there are times when this problem is less noticeable, others its more,but always I have a 5-10 seconds "loading" time after (that is, I can see the page, but the Acrobat Reader won't respond and windows will treat it as such) opening the PDF. If there are other PDF readers out there, I'm all ears ^^. Going back to the Fenrir, I don't get why does it have the ego sharing instead of (or in addition to!) some sort of speed enhancer like the Reflex booster the Reaper has, or some other implants that would let the crew to work at higher speeds. And yeah, I know there are drones in other supplements, I just found it strange the Fenrir doesn't mention anywhere that it can use them. I know they should be there, or at least related, because even when considering the Fenrir a "heavy tank", explorers are needed (a couple of friends of mine work in the army, in light cavalry to be precise, and their vehicle's crew are made by a gunner, a boss, a driver, and two explorers. Or in other version, the italian Centaur, they can mount up to 4 explorers instead of 2 packages of extra projectiles). I think a document about ground warfare for EP is needed now... maybe 20-30 pages. Enough for a special number of The Eye XD.

Thu, 2012-07-26 09:42

#24

AdamJury

Xagroth wrote:Adam, it might

Xagroth wrote:
Adam, it might be something related to RAM management on the Acrobat Reader part (it is version 10.1.3, I just checked, without any updates avaiable), because, as I said, I get the same error in my notebook computer when opening any of the EP PDFs (my notebook has less than 1 GB RAM). It might be related to the software used to create the PDFs in the first place, if it wasn't Adobe Acrobat Writer.

It isn't. The PDF is exported out of InDesign CS6 and then modified slightly in Adobe Acrobat Pro X (10.1.3). This is a slightly upgraded setup from our other releases (CS6 is relatively new), but it shouldn't be creating an awful problems. I didn't notice any in my testing ... but both of my computers are designed to make these sort of documents, so reading them is usually cake. :-)

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Also, there are times when this problem is less noticeable, others its more,but always I have a 5-10 seconds "loading" time after (that is, I can see the page, but the Acrobat Reader won't respond and windows will treat it as such) opening the PDF. If there are other PDF readers out there, I'm all ears ^^.

Are you on Windows? Many people like Foxit. I don't personally use it regularly, as I only use Windows for a few specific tasks (And by tasks, I mean Magic: The Gathering Online and Wizards Event Reporter :-) ) http://www.foxitsoftware.com/Secure_PDF_Reader/

Thu, 2012-07-26 09:56

#25

Azathoth

My favorite part of the book

My favorite part of the book so far, aquarium pets. Specifically, squidlings. :P Also really enjoyed the new fiction! I've had the sort of hiccups described with all my pdfs (not just EP) on a mac. I think it's just Adobe. And for the record, I payed for my pdf. It's totally worth it at only $10, and you get a warm fuzzy feeling for supporting PHS!

Thu, 2012-07-26 12:44

#26

Xagroth

I just tryed Foxit, and I

I just tryed Foxit, and I must say it works like a charm: smooth, quick and without gaps. Personally, I'd prefer to use Linux over Windows, but considering 90% of my time in front of the computer goes to gaming, and a lot of games won't play nice with Linux emulators, well, I'm stuck for now (and I don't want to have two different OS in my computer... I have enough with my laptop, notebook, desktop computer, PSP, HTC phone and my BQ Darwin, not to mention my old and still working Pocket PC Mio Digiwalker 3500...). Thanks for the help :)

Thu, 2012-07-26 13:00

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CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture

While Foxit is better than

While Foxit is better than Adobe these days, it is nowhere as near as good as it used to be. If you are happy with it, great, but for those who are annoyed in its bloat, there is always Sumatra http://blog.kowalczyk.info/software/sumatrapdf/free-pdf-reader.html Extremely lightweight, but it doesn't (or didn't) do some fancy stuff like layers. It is very quick.

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Thu, 2012-07-26 13:51

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jackgraham jackgraham's picture

Azathoth wrote:My favorite

Azathoth wrote:
My favorite part of the book so far, aquarium pets. Specifically, squidlings. :P

Hmm, maybe it's not 100% clear, but squidlings are free-flying non-intelligent animals. Aquarium pets are aquatic prison morphs. Of course, there's nothing to stop you combining the two!

Azathoth wrote:
Also really enjoyed the new fiction!

Thanks for saying so. :D

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Thu, 2012-07-26 13:57

#29

Quigs

Jury and Co's devotion to

Jury and Co's devotion to their product is why I've bought it in the past. I'll nab the pdf when it's up. I'll buy the book when it's available locally. Everyone wins. I don't think I'd have bought the product if I was treated like an asshole for viewing a PDF before purchasing an actual harcopy.

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Thu, 2012-07-26 15:25

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Azathoth

jackgraham wrote:Azathoth

jackgraham wrote:
Azathoth wrote:
My favorite part of the book so far, aquarium pets. Specifically, squidlings. :P
Hmm, maybe it's not 100% clear, but squidlings are free-flying non-intelligent animals. Aquarium pets are aquatic prison morphs. Of course, there's nothing to stop you combining the two!

The book is very clear, my post wasn't (omit the word aquarium)! :P I'm afraid to show the octomorph in our group the squidlings bcs she'll either buy a pod of them to surround her, or go on a crusade against owning cephalopods as pets. :P

Thu, 2012-07-26 16:00

#31

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Join the Society for Equal Warefare in Ego Replacement

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Thu, 2012-07-26 16:59

#32

AdamJury

Gerzel wrote:Sorry mate. The

Gerzel wrote:
Sorry mate. The PDF just came out and I spent my cash on buying it. Even if it were legal(I don't think it is but could be wrong) to give you a copy I wouldn't because I want you to go give the nice folks at Posthuman Studios some of your creds.

I just want to dive back in here, to be clear: it is 100% legal to give anyone a modified or unmodified copy of any Eclipse Phase release that has the Creative Common BY-NC-SA logo in it. This is, to date, every Eclipse Phase title ever released, and we have no plans to release EP stuff that isn't BY-NC-SA licensed. This is explained in every book, and here: http://eclipsephase.com/cclicense We do, however, very much appreciate people spending their cash on our titles, and we do need that cash to continue producing them. But we recognize that gaming is a culture of sharing. :)

Thu, 2012-07-26 17:08

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OldSchoolGM OldSchoolGM's picture

I'll buy multiple times

I bought the PDF and I'll buy the hard copy when it is released. I'll echo what others have said: The fact that y'all release your stuff under a liberal CC license and are very clear with people about what that means and why you did it is fantastic. You're putting your money (your livelihood, really) where your mouth is, which is rare in this world. Great material plus treating your customers like human beings equals raving fanboy customers (like me).

Thu, 2012-07-26 17:31

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Seekerofshadowlight Seekerofshadowlight's picture

I do both really. I often

I do both really. I often download the PDF without paying. Only to go back when I have the extra and pay for what i already have , just to support the game and then buy a hard copy, well because I like hard copies.The fact that PHS puts out books with CC, wants to make me support them even more.

Thu, 2012-07-26 18:08

#35

Gerzel

Aye I liked those too.

Aye I liked those too. Reminded me of the Human Snacks from SJgames' Transhuman Space. In fact those would work well here. Probably need to make a modified edible puppet sock, perhaps a short-range broadcast with the trapped/experiencing ego sleeved in a controller located nearby as diamond and cybernetics doesn't taste good to most morphs. Good way for Scumm to get kinky or Guillani to get a message across.

Thu, 2012-07-26 18:28

#36

Prime Mover Prime Mover's picture

A few things

Have not had time to read thru all way yet but just wanted to mention a few things. 1. I see adobe has had a few hiccups with pdf, Goodreader has crashed it twice for me so far (error message saying document doesnt exist) but it opens right back up fine afterwards. 2. Pay for this book, hell for 10 bucks the size and quality of this book is almost like giving it away for the amount of work that must have gone into it. 3. A big thanks to the PH crew for another great product.

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Thu, 2012-07-26 19:03

#37

Gerzel

I generally don't buy the

I generally don't buy the deadtree until I actually need it at the gaming table. This means I tend to buy core books that will be used to look up rules, but setting and character books are left to pdf where they can be looked at between sessions.

Thu, 2012-07-26 19:52

#38

TadanoriOyama TadanoriOyama's picture

FYI, Rimward is now ranked

FYI, Rimward is now ranked "Electrum" on DriveThruRPG's Best Seller system. Not bad after a single day of sales.

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Thu, 2012-07-26 23:04

#39

WussyDan

Hello all,

So far I agree about Rimward being a pretty excellent book in terms of fluff, morphs, gear, and so on, but I do have a question. Am I missing something, or is the Hydrostatic Pressure Adaptation just leaps and bounds better than the Extreme Pressure Adaptation from Sunward? The former allows for bio and synth morphs to survive 500 or 2500 atm of pressure, respectively, while the latter is only available for synths and only allows operation up to 100 atm of pressure while halving movement rates and knocking 10 off COO. Admittedly, a 25% boost to Durability is nice, but hardly balances out the other differences between the two mods. To top it off, both are Expensive, so there isn't even a price break incentive. If I wanted my synth to tramp around on Venus's surface or deep dive on Europa, why would I ever choose the latter modification over the former?

Fri, 2012-07-27 01:16

#40

Decivre

WussyDan wrote:So far I agree

WussyDan wrote:
So far I agree about Rimward being a pretty excellent book in terms of fluff, morphs, gear, and so on, but I do have a question. Am I missing something, or is the Hydrostatic Pressure Adaptation just leaps and bounds better than the Extreme Pressure Adaptation from Sunward? The former allows for bio and synth morphs to survive 500 or 2500 atm of pressure, respectively, while the latter is only available for synths and only allows operation up to 100 atm of pressure while halving movement rates and knocking 10 off COO. Admittedly, a 25% boost to Durability is nice, but hardly balances out the other differences between the two mods. To top it off, both are Expensive, so there isn't even a price break incentive. If I wanted my synth to tramp around on Venus's surface or deep dive on Europa, why would I ever choose the latter modification over the former?

I don't think you realize how beneficial a 50% durability boost can really be (not 25%, but 50%). The one thing I think the hydrostatic pressure adaptation didn't reference in the rules text is that it is designed for liquid environments (hence "hydrostatic pressure"). It's not for extreme aerial environments, such as the surface of Venus.

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Fri, 2012-07-27 01:47

#41

NewAgeOfPower NewAgeOfPower's picture

Bought it. Will be reading it

Bought it. Will be reading it soon. Quick question, if its not taboo... how much of my $10 did you guys get?

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Fri, 2012-07-27 02:35

#42

Gerzel

In other news...

In other news... Is there a twitter feed for Monster Raving Goblin Cock News Network, Momo Von Satan or the Cock? If not there should be.

Fri, 2012-07-27 06:55

#43

kowalzcky

Great book! I just finished

Great book! I just finished my first "fast reading" of it and I love it, there are tons and tons of potential adventure seeds, nice locations and great faction backgrounds, the only "bad thing".....I wanted even more! hehehe I supose that you can write a whole book for each faction. I really liked the jovian section, it matches fairly well my previous vision of them, and about the Commonwealth, great too, tons of interesting stuff over there, at least for me the potential of the Titanians becoming an imperialist power in the outer system its really interesting. How much time for the dead tree version?

Gerzel wrote:
In other news... Is there a twitter feed for Monster Raving Goblin Cock News Network, Momo Von Satan or the Cock? If not there should be.

I will create a twitter acount just for that! Momo von Satan and the Cock are awesome! Great background flavor!

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Fri, 2012-07-27 08:55

#44

crizh

Oxygen

To start of, love all your work, enjoying Rimward so far, I even went so far as to pay for it. (Incidentally, the fact that people are willing to pay for a product they could legally acquire for nothing says a lot about how wrong the MAFIAA are and what a blight on our society outdated industries that refuse to just shut up and die really are. Sorry, I'll save that rant for my blog...) This isn't really errata so I thought I'd mention it here instead. And if Arenamontanus proves me hideously naive, as often happens, consider the following withdrawn with appropriate grovelling apologies. I appreciate that it might seem like a cool idea to use the peculiarities of Titan's unique carbon rich environment to place a disharmonious thread in The Commonwealth's otherwise utopian write up but the 'burning hydrocarbons' for energy thing needs to go. Like totally redacted from the whole system, every book it's mentioned in when they are next updated. Where does the free Oxygen come from? You might possibly react Acetylene with Hydrogen to form Methane but there's bugger all free Hydrogen in the atmosphere either. Like 0.1% or something of that order. Oxygen is also a fossil fuel, created billions of years ago by cyanobacteria that used sunlight to crack water to store energy as carbohydrates and free Oxygen that they have kindly left lying around for the rest of us here on Earth to exploit. Without both carbohydrates and Oxygen you don't have a source of energy and on Titan you've only got one. In fact one of your major energy requirements is going to be ripping the Oxygen from the local supplies of water ice to use for life support. Not only do you have no free Oxygen but any you do create you've got a far more pressing use for.

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Fri, 2012-07-27 12:40

#45

AdamJury

NewAgeOfPower wrote:Quick

NewAgeOfPower wrote:
Quick question, if its not taboo... how much of my $10 did you guys get?

We get 70% of the purchase price of everything we sell on OneBookShelf. So, in this case, $7.

Fri, 2012-07-27 13:39

#46

PingPong

I just love the new Rimward.

I just love the new Rimward. And I still love the Joviand Republic. But I love much more the Titanians!!. Thanks!

Fri, 2012-07-27 15:07

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Decivre

PingPong wrote:I just love

PingPong wrote:
I just love the new Rimward. And I still love the Joviand Republic. But I love much more the Titanians!!. Thanks!

One thing I loved about Rimward was that it totally justified my usual interpretation of the Jovians, which essentially summed to "the Federation from Verhoeven's Starship Troopers combined with bioconservatism (minus the parody)". Which makes them an excellent faction, even if hard to justify as an ally when your PCs are transhuman.

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Fri, 2012-07-27 15:12

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CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture

It honestly didn't change my

It honestly didn't change my opinion of the Jovians at all. However I think that that is because the Republic as presented in Rimward is almost exactly the Republic I took away from the Core rulebook. I never bought into the 'Jovians are comically terrible silver-age Space Nazis' trope. I just didn't see it from the material we had already seen. But it is nice that we can finally put it to rest, and that we should hopefully see some more positive discussion surrounding them. Although I do see a rise in 'Why Catholic Church presented so bad?' posts. Hope not though.

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Fri, 2012-07-27 15:19

#49

Thampsan

I have to say I always

I have to say I always thought of the Jovians as religious zealots and luddites, but Rimward has gone a long way to dispelling that myth and making them more believable. Though i'll still not be using them in my games unless my PCs try to sling-shot Jupiter without paying the toll, I am happy that they are more diverse if still backward. One of my thing about Rimward is the extra detail they've given the Ultimate faction. I think they still need to be fleshed out a little more, but I do love the fact they are a lot more detailed now. Also having a break down of politics, ideologies and reputation based economies makes me very happy.

Fri, 2012-07-27 15:37

#50

Gerzel

Might wanna work up some way

Might wanna work up some way for that account to be collaboratively operated. Might be hard for one ego to keep up with things.

Fri, 2012-07-27 15:46

#51

WussyDan

Decivre wrote:WussyDan wrote

Decivre wrote:
WussyDan wrote:
So far I agree about Rimward being a pretty excellent book in terms of fluff, morphs, gear, and so on, but I do have a question. Am I missing something, or is the Hydrostatic Pressure Adaptation just leaps and bounds better than the Extreme Pressure Adaptation from Sunward? The former allows for bio and synth morphs to survive 500 or 2500 atm of pressure, respectively, while the latter is only available for synths and only allows operation up to 100 atm of pressure while halving movement rates and knocking 10 off COO. Admittedly, a 25% boost to Durability is nice, but hardly balances out the other differences between the two mods. To top it off, both are Expensive, so there isn't even a price break incentive. If I wanted my synth to tramp around on Venus's surface or deep dive on Europa, why would I ever choose the latter modification over the former?
I don't think you realize how beneficial a 50% durability boost can really be (not 25%, but 50%). The one thing I think the hydrostatic pressure adaptation didn't reference in the rules text is that it is designed for liquid environments (hence "hydrostatic pressure"). It's not for extreme aerial environments, such as the surface of Venus.

Ah, I mixed that Dur boost with the Heat Adaptation. If I may play at being stupid for a moment though, could someone give me a layman's rundown of why something designed for high underwater pressures wouldn't be viable to survive high aerial pressures as well?

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