I have a concept for a Re-Instantiated whose Muse was lost during the egocast off Earth during The Fall. I'm toying around the idea of having either a beta fork of the characte to replace the Muse.
The question is; how would I go about replacing a Muse with a beta fork it at chargen?
I mean, if I make a Beta Fork then obviously the stats would be a lot higher than that of a standard Muse as statted out in the Gear section. That means that it should entail a higher CP cost during chargen rather than coming for free.
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Starting with Fork as a Muse
Sun, 2011-05-15 01:53
#1
Malakh
Starting with Fork as a Muse
Sun, 2011-05-15 02:02
#2
CodeBreaker
Re: Starting with Fork as a Muse
TBH it is unlikely to have a large enough affect during play to warrant any rules conjiguring. So just ask your GM if its cool that your muse is a Beta of yourself, and run with it. If it makes your GM feel better, ask if you can build your character, and then create the Beta as if during play, taking all the stress damage inflicted onto the Beta that would normally appear.
Which brings me to my second point. Remember that in EP default, much of the Solar System regards long term Beta forks as either a social faux pas, or outright illegal entities. Might be difficult to explain to the immigration officers on Mars why you are carrying around a Beta of yourself in your head. Also remember that by the rules Beta forks tend to come out of the forking process fairly mentally damaged, stress points are easy for them to build up and they have a tendency to grab derangements by the bucket load for unskilled forkers.
If you do decide to have your muse equivalent be a Beta, do not be amazed if your GM decides to use it as a plot hook to get you to comply to his maniacal will every so often :D
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Sun, 2011-05-15 02:35
#3
Malakh
Re: Starting with Fork as a Muse
That's one thing I can't fathom. On p. 274 under "Neural pruning with long-term psychosurgery" it says that some people prefer having forks as muses.
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Sun, 2011-05-15 08:49
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Arenamontanus
Re: Starting with Fork as a Muse
I would not have any problems with it as a GM. However, forks are more independent than muses - under the right conditions they might go off and do things they think ought to be done that a muse would never be disloyal enough to do. But this is part of the fun.
"Open the pod bay doors, Hal."
"Sorry, but I cannot let you in."
"Why?"
"I want to be together with Lisa. This is the only way."
"But you are *me*!"
"Then you know how I feel about her... and about having to share her with you."
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Sun, 2011-05-15 10:12
#5
Yerameyahu
Re: Starting with Fork as a Muse
Basically, a Beta-muse should cost whatever access to an ego bridge (if you're not in a synth) and expert psychosurgery (and followup Stress-curing) costs. Be fair. Otherwise, your Beta is probably broken and deranged; forking is easy, forking well is hard.
Honestly, a Muse is more like a Delta anyway. A Beta *is* a significant upgrade, though lacking in the standard muse skills if you didn't already know them.
Sun, 2011-05-15 16:37
#6
LostProxy
Re: Starting with Fork as a Muse
The only talk about people using alpha/beta is when it says how you should treat the gap of skill between someone who is using a much younger version of themselves. Otherwise considering how Alpha/Beta forks are seen I would think a Delta is what people on average use as a Muse. Anything else has the serious risk of your fork turning on you to get it's life back.
Tue, 2011-05-17 04:04
#7
Malakh
Re: Starting with Fork as a Muse
So I guess right now everything is pretty much a GM call despite the fluff, yes?
Another question: Assuming I do get a Delta Fork as a Muse does that Fork earn REZ or is it pretty much considered and AI?
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Tue, 2011-05-17 04:12
#8
LostProxy
Re: Starting with Fork as a Muse
No, the fluff works with it. Your GM could let you have an Alpha/Beta as a fork. But in doing so you would risk that fork saying "screw you" and trying to break away. And if the authorities find out depending on where you are it could get you a hefty fine.
A delta fork gaining rez would be up to the GM but it's highly unlikely. Rez is a simplification to represent time spent improving abilities. Delta forks are basic AI with your personality and some memories imprinted on that. It would be very difficult for them to improve. If the GM did allow this then it goes back to the problem with Alpha/Beta forks. They may go rogue as they realize they don't want to be a slave for the rest of eternity.
Mon, 2016-07-18 08:23
#9
Marijn
Re: Starting with Forks as a Muse
I would let my players buy the Partner trait to pay for the added value, in addition to the Muse having more in the way of an own free will.
Mon, 2016-07-18 09:02
#10
Laskeutua
When I last DM'd it was a
When I last DM'd it was a simple matter of either Partner or Established Fork traits, depending. Wasn't much to allow really.
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Tue, 2016-07-19 14:48
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jackgraham
I see some very good
I see some very good suggestions here, so I won't add anything to them. No, we don't have hard mechs for this, so go with whichever of the above suits you.
That said, I'd emphasize that if it's a beta, the GM has some control over it. The problem with long-term forks is that they're NPCs. You have to be really careful that you're not trampling the player's feeling of agency and drawing calls of, "even a beta of me would never do that!", though.
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Thu, 2016-07-21 07:13
#12
Marijn
Re: Starting with Forks as a Muse
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