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Running a mission in NW Europe - Getting under the ice?

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MachineCode MachineCode's picture
Running a mission in NW Europe - Getting under the ice?
Hopefully this is the right forum for this kind of discussion. It seems the layout has changed since last time I was posting here. So Im planning to take my players down to earth to try and recover an "item" from an old research lab in the ruins of a european city. However, reading Sunward (which I just got and is totally awesome by the way). It appears everything is buired under metres of ice. Is there any plausable way to make a gap in the ice without destroying the ruins underneath? My first thought was an atmospheric detotnation of a rock of sufficent size fired from a Lunar mass accelerator, but I imagine that sufficent mass to generate enough heat to vaporise a useful amount of ice will: a)Generate a shockwave powerful enough to destroy everything b)Be of sufficent mass to hit the ground anyway My second though would be a nuke airburst above the site (perhaps a stray round from a killsat?) though it might also have similar problems with the strength of the blast overpressure. Mabye the best solution is not to overthink it and just have less ice/snow in that area through GM fiat? Any thoughts?
nick012000 nick012000's picture
Re: Running a mission in NW Europe - Getting under the ice?
Use a Protean nanobot swarm to dig a hole and use the elements in the ice and the air to build a tunnel.

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killerjoel killerjoel's picture
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Have the ice inexplicably missing over that site. Turns out the aforementioned nanobots are building a huge computer brain out of lattices of ice in some underground complex in the city. It just went online, used it's super processing power and tricks it learned from the "minds" of the bots around it to subvert all the machines in the area. Now it wants some memories to give it purpose, like the ones stored in the databanks of the lab in the "AGI research" wing. Now in addition to playing fetch, the players have to either coerce the new AI into staying out of the lab or destroy it before its machine minions get into those files. If they bring home a nasty case of Exsurgent flu, the Ice Brain could turn into one very bad computer.
MachineCode MachineCode's picture
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Interesting idea. My origional plan (well, it was suggested by someone else a while back actually). Was to have the players sent to retrieve an "item" of unknown type that turns out to be a prominent pre fall scientist who's spent the time since the fall either in stasis as a hibernating infomorph/cyberbrain, running on only the most minimal power, or in cryosleep. Either way he would be located in a secured lab beneath the main research complex to avoid Titan detection and await rescue. The intention is for him to eventually evolve into a main antagonist for the players with the rescue giving them some time to get aquainted with him first. So perhaps the "Ice brain" learns of his existance when the players actions in the area bring them to its attention. It then tries to capture scientists and their ego's for assimilation in one go. However there is the question of how exactly one would manage to build a computer out of ice? It strikes me as a most unsuitable material. Perhaps instead the lack of ice can be explained as a sudden extreme variance in local weather paterns due to the seemingly random nature of the leftover titan weather control nanoswarms. That way, with the weather normalizing again, I could have worsening snowstorms and impending extreme blizzards as an additional source of tention while the players are trying to secure their target item. If they dont succeed in time they will be trapped permenantly on the surface by a blizzard of epic proportions.
Extrasolar Angel Extrasolar Angel's picture
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It appears everything is buired under metres of ice. Is there any plausable way to make a gap in the ice without destroying the ruins underneath?
Of course-drill an opening with hot water stream under high pressure. It's fairly widespread technique: http://www.andrill.org/technology/rig You can then send Swarmanoid or Flexibots for reconnaissance and intel(perhaps if there are any bots or synthmorphs in the lab or bunker they can be taken over?) if the opening is small, if larger you could send other morphs down there. Of course you could also use disassemblers(page 329) if you feel comfortable using such technology in vincinity of TITAN's and their spawn. Btw-how will they return from Earth?
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MachineCode MachineCode's picture
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I wasn't planning on them having access to that kind of backup, and certanly not Promethean support. Unless the players themselves decide come up with a good plan that revolves around heavy nanotech use. They likely wont though as the players and I have not played many games of EP yet, and they (and myself actually) are still adapting somewhat to a non-D&D mindset. In terms of returning from earth well this is another question. They have [i]some[/i] hypercorp backing though they are recruited into firewall before the mission happens (unbeknownst to the hypercorp). Initally I was going to have them do a high altitude dive and then return via egocast, however that presents some problems in terms of taking the scientist back with them. So I had settled on them using a ship and dodging through a gap in the barrier sensor net instead. See I was set on them landing on earth in the ruins of city, cold and snow everywhere but still recognisable with buildings and things still standing. Very quiet and tense as they carefully explore. A sort of frigid post apocalype landscape.
killerjoel killerjoel's picture
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I agree that the solution that would present the most tension and fun would be to have the city getting its ice covering from blizzards as the players arrive. As far as ice brains go, I have no idea. I just remember that the TITANs were doing the same kind of stuff to Iapetus, one of Saturn's moons. They were carving a latticework of macrocircuits into the ice there. Now that I go back and look at it, though, I see it's a silicate-rich ice, so maybe not such a good idea for earth. I have a weakness for building-spanning psychotic computers - probably why I took to Eclipse Phase in the first place. :) If you like the idea of the computer brain, have the nanobots building it in a local business building. They started with the servers there, which were woefully inadequate, and they expanded out to fill the majority of the edifice. Basically, the computer brain would literally be a building in the city near the lab. This could be cool - maybe the computer is avoiding the blizzard problem by using the sewers to transport his machine minions. The players could be trucking along, hear a grinding noise they can't quite place, and BAM! - a bunch of nasty machines pop right up out of the snow in front of them.
Extrasolar Angel Extrasolar Angel's picture
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((SPOILERS For Alastair Reynolds story)) The ice brain idea is also mentioned in Alastair Reynolds story Glacial.
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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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The snow and ice in NW europe is not going to be that thick - just a few meters (true ice sheets take centuries to form). So it is both drillable and diggable. But the fun part is that in a city many buildings are going to be extending above the ice. They might be ruined, but inside they are relatively snow and ice free. So you could climb in and descend to the street or basement level. And if this was a city that had regular blizzards before some streets might be covered with transparent roofing or have arcades. So you would find yourself in a world of dark ruin tunnels, hemmed in by snowdrifts and ice layers. Getting down to the subway level gives you further access - and down here some survivors might still huddle in the relative warmth.
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MachineCode MachineCode's picture
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Ah, see in Sunward it says; "France, Italy, Spain, Germany, Britain-they were all there. Northern Europe tended toward the cold and rainy, while southern Europe was sunny and warm. Now? Sub-arctic. All of it. Temperature's down to around -4C, and you dont even want to know what it drops to at night. Snow drifts [b]50 feet deep[/b]-most of the old buildings that survived the fall are [b]so buired you can't even see them.[/b]" What you describe does seem more realistic though, and I can work with that.
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Besides, a 50 ft snowdrift is just 15 meters, at most 5 storeys. A city would have a complex pattern of drifts and dunes, leaving some parts open. Snowdrifts are pretty easy to dig into, unlike the dense pack ice you get when they compress for a few decades. The real problem is water leaking into foundations and freezing.
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Extrasolar Angel Extrasolar Angel's picture
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MachineCode wrote:
Ah, see in Sunward it says; "France, Italy, Spain, Germany, Britain-they were all there. Northern Europe tended toward the cold and rainy, while southern Europe was sunny and warm. Now? Sub-arctic. All of it. Temperature's down to around -4C, and you dont even want to know what it drops to at night. Snow drifts [b]50 feet deep[/b]-most of the old buildings that survived the fall are [b]so buired you can't even see them.[/b]" .
Out of all parts in Sunward, I consider the Earth most poorly done. Hopefully in the future it will be described in more detail within some future supplement. As to the above text, I treat it more as scare tactic against the recruit. Besides -4C is really not that cold, especially to individuals with access to synthmorphs or other exotic biomorphs and equipment. Siberia btw has much much harsher temperatures and people live there with current level of technology.
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MachineCode MachineCode's picture
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Yes that also struck me as strange.
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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So, an intriguing question is why Firewall would like to scare recruits from visiting Earth? To discourage unnecessary jaunts? To convince them that there is little to see down there and focus on the rest of the solar system? To play up the importance of Firewall's mission? Personally I think Earth should be kept threatening, and the best way is to keep everything about it uncertain. It might be pretty liveable in a postapocalyptic way, it might be a deadly global nanohive that disassembles all flesh (see Singularity 7 for one take that might have some EP use), it might be a bizarre playground for broken TITAN parts... and observations and reports cannot tell which is which. Which in itself hints at some form of manipulation.
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MachineCode MachineCode's picture
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Well I imagine the risk of spreading TITAN tech is probably reason enough.