Hello - 1st time poster...
I am curious and a little confused about the topic of mind editing in the game and the proper usage of the psychosurgery and programming skills (and perhaps also academics: computer science).
Regarding mind uploaded infomorphs, I can understand the neurological basis for using psychosurgery although at the end of the day, the emulation is fundamentally digital bits that can be manipulated via programming. This is even more accurate for AGI which may or may not have a neural network based approach to intelligence.
I am interested in the mad scientist goal of expanding the set of qualia within the mind (Brand new colors!!) for both human infomorphs and AGI. I see it as follows:
For human mind emulations, one would enter the emulated visual cortex and find the neural circuit responsible for emerging blue, green, etc. Start modifying these networks one virtual synapse at a time via psychosurgery on forked versions and see if new colors emerge. This seems slow and crude and is where perhaps pattern recognition software can recognize the pattern signifying blue, green, etc. and extrapolate to new colors.
It is unclear to me whether or not the AGI in this game experience internal phenomena but I hope so as I consider it as vital a quality as intelligence. If they do, then it is a result of emergence out of the running software which would be modified by the programming skill, the same skill that created it in the 1st place.
Thanks for any feedback. I can't wait for the day of qualia editing
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psychosurgery versus programming
Thu, 2010-05-06 19:15
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bluecthulhu
psychosurgery versus programming
Thu, 2010-05-06 19:49
#2
Decivre
Re: psychosurgery versus programming
Actually, not quite. Infomorphs and ego backups aren't really programs per se... they are digital 3D maps of the neurons within the brain. The difference is subtle but important in that psychosurgery isn't as simple as computer programming, but more akin to a combination of programming and neurosurgery. In that same vein, while AGI start off as programming language and computer algorithms, they are compiled into a digital 3D map of brain neurons before they are officially started. This is one of the main differences between them and normal AIs, and the core reason they can also be uploaded to biological brains while AIs cannot. The programming skill does not justify a competent enough knowledge in how the neurons and synapses of a mind interact to fulfill the duties that psychosurgery does. The programming skill essentially covers Turing complete computation, and the ability to make software based on it. It should not cover fields outside of that (which is why I wish they had a separate skill for nanofab blueprint creation). Admittedly, they probably could have made psychosurgery and programming into one field skill, however.
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Thu, 2010-05-06 19:48
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Decivre
Re: psychosurgery versus programming
Double post.
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Sat, 2010-05-08 15:20
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Quincey Forder
Re: psychosurgery versus programming
if an AGI gets a psychosurgery, could it/he/she make it/him/her a Seed AI?
A closet Singularity seeker psychosurgeon could make a AGI believe he or she really is human. Therefore abilited to better himself or herself beyond his or her "upbringing", don't you think?
adding to previous comment. I'm watching an old episode of Total Recall 2070
the third one to be exact. An accountant comes home, misinterprets the interaction between his (hot) wife and the delivery man and shoots him with an old gun he's not supposed to have, especially since his wife describe him as kind and gentle. that brings the though to my mind; can someone go through psychosurgery and be totally unaware of it?
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Sat, 2010-05-08 15:49
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Decivre
Re: psychosurgery versus programming
I'd say possible, but not likely. What constitutes a Seed AI doesn't just involve the software, but the hardware. Seed AI are not limited to just being housed inside a brain. They are expandable intelligences capable of filling out a computer of any size. This means that you would need to somehow program expandability into the mind, then place it into hardware that has room for expansion. Seed AIs take up massive hardware for this reason.
I mean, I suppose it is theoretically possible. Not just for AGI, but for any intelligence. We would just need to remove that aspect of our minds that limits our ability to process to the size of the human brain, and allow for the ability to expand indefinitely to fill whatever processor we are contained in. This would, of course, grant major limitations; no more morphs for you, because there is nothing short of a massive processing block that can house your entire mind (and likely only in infomorph form). That massive processing block likely also stops you from being very portable.
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Sat, 2010-05-08 21:30
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Quincey Forder
Re: psychosurgery versus programming
Wouldn't we be everywhere, instead? a decentralized entity
like Skynet for the AGI ...and Eywa for the biological/human
Another question I was wondering, is it possible for an AGI to believe he is or was (trans)human?
There are some exemple. Deckaerd the replicant, the terminator prototype Markus Wright, the non-centurion Cylons. the holoband avatar Tamara Adama
if that's possible, is it due to programming or pyschosurgery?
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Sat, 2010-05-08 22:36
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Decivre
Re: psychosurgery versus programming
It could be due to either, or perhaps even due to his natural outgrowth as an intelligence over time. Programming is how an ego is artificially manufactured; psychosurgery is how an already-created ego is modified. That's the scholarly difference between the two. Either one can shape a person's identity... neither are necessary for a person's identity to shape. Believing or identifying yourself as a human is part of your identity, so it can form whether you use either method or if you simply raise an AGI to believe they are human.
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Wed, 2011-06-15 02:53
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Unity
Re: psychosurgery versus programming
Of course you could go the Mass Effect route and create a massive space vessel to house your hardware ala Reapers, if you were a seed AI.
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