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Axel the Chimeric Axel the Chimeric's picture
Personal power supply
So there's something I've been wondering lately, what with the whole recent affair of building kitchen reactors: What kind of power supplies can people get access to in Eclipse Phase? If you're in a floating habitat/ship/aerostat, this isn't really a big question. You're in a closed area, you can't really get in materials without anyone noticing, and can just tap into the central power grid anyway. Unless the local power suppliers are charging extortionate prices, there's really no reasonable (or safe) way to do it. However, if you're on, say, Mars or Luna, there's a lot more space and reasons to exploit it. Same goes for if you're on an exoplanet colony. So, what sort of power systems can people get their hands on? How much power can you generate with readily-available materials? How much can you use it for? Most importantly of all, how much electricity does your average transhuman use on a daily basis? Say I'm John Q. Transhermit, and I want to go live out in the Martian wastes. I want to ensure my basic needs are covered, so I bring five servitors, set up a satellite dish, and use nanites to dig a cave. How much power am I going to need to keep myself supplied with food, oxygen, water, light, heat, and robot servants? What sources can I use to keep myself supplied effectively?
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Axel the Chimeric wrote:
Say I'm John Q. Transhermit, and I want to go live out in the Martian wastes. I want to ensure my basic needs are covered, so I bring five servitors, set up a satellite dish, and use nanites to dig a cave. How much power am I going to need to keep myself supplied with food, oxygen, water, light, heat, and robot servants? What sources can I use to keep myself supplied effectively?
Hmm, power sources to think about: solar, geothermal, wind, nuclear. Solar power is probably easy: plenty of photovoltaic blueprints around, you just need to keep them from dusting over. A bit visible if somebody is looking, but you can put them away from your cave and even have them charge up storage batteries if you are really paranoid. That would provide around 100 Watts/square meter during the day, taking into account distance from the sun and the atmosphere. Geothermal is probably tough on Mars, but very low key. Drill a deep well, exploit the temperature difference using a thermocouple or heat exchanger. This paper has a lot of details: http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~mfogg/fogg1996.pdf A full production well can give 10 MW of electricity, which is more than enough for one person. Probably smaller wells can give the 20kW Fogg assumes per person. Wind is quite visible, slightly inefficient due to low air pressure but probably easy to make with a fabber. A typical wind turbine gives you around 100-500 kW on Earth; maybe the thin atmosphere reduces that a few times. Nuclear power can come from nuclear batteries - lasts decades - or reactors. Reactors can be anywhere from a few watts to gigawatts, but the larger they are the more upkeep they require. In particular, the waste heat needs to be dissipated, which is hard without a nearby lake or river - thermal plumes of superheated air will be very visible.
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Xagroth Xagroth's picture
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The easiest and harder to track way would be to hack a microwave satellite (or putting one into orbit) and make it fire some juice to a receiver far from your refuge, connected by cable and ready to blow up (or retract, dissolve or be dissassembled by a nanoswarm) if discovered. A similar trick was used in the first Honor Harrington's novel, and was quite good. Another option, of course, if you find a water course of any kind, is to use hydraulic energy. Or you can make a mega-mix: a small nuclear reactor that dissipates power by evaporating water that moves some turbines when going to a water deposit... where the water goes down in a stream to the reactor, powering another turbine, after feeding a thermal exchanger. As long as you have reactive material, you are really fed ^^.
Axel the Chimeric Axel the Chimeric's picture
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I want to add that this need not be done with stealth in mind. It's more about the raw basics needed for survival here. One of the big questions is power consumption. At present, an average American hosuehold uses about 900 kW a month. How does the average power consumption for a transhuman compare? Is it more, because of increased appliance usage (and more complex tech, like a fabber), or less, because of increasingly efficient technologies?
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Axel the Chimeric wrote:
One of the big questions is power consumption. At present, an average American hosuehold uses about 900 kW a month. How does the average power consumption for a transhuman compare? Is it more, because of increased appliance usage (and more complex tech, like a fabber), or less, because of increasingly efficient technologies?
Wikipedia suggests around 2300 W, but that is just electricity. Overall, I would expect the typical transhuman to have far more energy-efficient devices, but heating cannot be made much more efficient (however, insulation and making good use of heat can likely be much better) and people tend to use more energy as they get more efficient, not less (because now they can afford more stuff). Going off to live on Mars and being constrained by the Fall might lead to a sizeable reduction. So I would guess the energy need is between 1,000-10,000 W, with perhaps 3,000 W per person reasonable. Fabbers are, as I have argued elsewhere, somewhat heavy domestic equipment with running power demands around a few hundred to a few thousand Watts, with peaks of perhaps 12 kW when rapidly making something energy-dense. Most of the time they will be turned off, of course. Recycling is likely around the same level, as is cooling. So the transhuman might have peak uses in the kilowatt range, but most of the time just require a few hundred watts. Servitor bots likely need a few tens of watts up to a hundred watts when working (by comparision to human metabolic needs). Since they run off batteries they need to get their full energy input during recharging, which might be 50% of the time. The real energy-hogs are vehicles, which easily run in the tens of kilowatt range - when pumping fuel into your car today you are literally pumping more than a megawatt of power, the gasoline is that energy dense. Making fuels or recharging vehicles might hence be the big energy demand on the homestead, requiring much of the energy production.
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Axel the Chimeric Axel the Chimeric's picture
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I imagine that batteries are going to be a common feature in a hermitage sort of lifestyle, then, especially if using low-key power sources like solar power. While it can supply a very consistent power supply to cover your basic needs, such as light, heat, and general power, peak power usage (such as manufacturing energy dense objects) would drain it fairly quickly unless you did it over a longer period of time. Looking at PlantLab also has me considering that growing photosynthesizing crops of your own would be far more energy efficient than using nano-recyclers for oxygen. It'd also cut down your Fabber usage for food. You could even grow algae for food, fuel, and fertilizer, as long as you've got water to spare and excellent nano-recyclers. I can imagine someone having, say, five or six 10-25 square meter fields of solar panels around their home, cleaned by servitors every now and then. Some goes into feeding LEDs and lighting/heating the home. If you have about an acre or two of plants growing in a contained field, you wouldn't need much in the way of oxygen recycling (though it would be advisable to have it for emergencies). Anything left over goes into battery storage for fabber use.