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New Jerusalem - the Hidden habitat

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Erenthia Erenthia's picture
New Jerusalem - the Hidden habitat
I was thinking about how the Core books relegate Christianity and Judiasm to the past saying they didn't survive. It doesn't seem particularly logical to me, though I appreciate wanting to shake up the status quo. (Because the status....is [i]not[/i] quo) I have different reasons for believing each of Judaism, Protestant Christianity, and Catholicism all would have survived as organized belief systems. They wouldn't be as strong, but I wouldn't call them "shadows of their former selves" Well Protestantism maybe. I'm going to separate these, but here's my reasoning for Judaism. Israel. After the holocaust, "Never Again" became words to live by for many. In the couple of centuries between the holocaust and the Fall, the bitter taste of that mass murder diminished hardly at all. And when back-ups became a possibility, Israel made it public policy to fully fund any Jews backup (even in other countries), provided they used an "authorized backup facility". Unbeknownst to most, the Israeli government had created it's own habitat within a large asteroid and regularly transmitted copies of Jewish backups to it. When the fall happened hardly a single Jewish ego was lost, even the non-Israeli. As of 10 AF, the New Jerusalem hab is largely unknown. It orbits that sun about about 1/4 AU and is far from any populations of Suryas or other Coronal morphs. On rare occasions when the Hab needs outside resources, they send out specialized intelligence operatives (descendants of the Mossad) to do so secretively. New Jerusalem is imperfectly hidden and someone will discover it eventually - but that is what player characters are for.
The end really is coming. What comes after that is anyone's guess.
Erenthia Erenthia's picture
The Vatican Cylinder:
The Vatican Cylinder: Israel of course, is not the only group concerned with safety. But while the Israeli government was highly concerned with the safety of all its people, the Vatican spent billions on making sure the Pope would live on no matter what happened. Not content to simply back him up, the Vatican used it's vast resources to build a state-of-the art Hamilton cylinder. Completed well before the fall, much of the Vatican's behind the scenes dealings were moved to their habitat for various reasons. The astronomy division was first followed by organizations the Catholic Church doesn't officially recognize to exist. When the fall came, the Vatican Cylinder threw it's doors open to its faithful. And since a number of larger churches had Farcasters in them, many devout catholics ended up in Vatican Cylinder. Life within the VC is very old-fashioned. Eschewing the use of Exowombs, modern Catholics are actively trying to repopulate using traditional nuclear families and traditional birth. That's not to say Catholics restrict themselves to flats. In fact, a great deal of resources was put towards the design of a self-replicating Splicer model (using traditional sexual reproduction). Given the effectively post-scarcity environment, families tend to have anywhere from 8-12 children, sometimes more with multiple instances of twins or triplets. The Vatican Hab maintains ties to Jovian Junta, Extropia, and to an extent Titan, as many faithful Catholics can be found in each of these places, and while it's influence is subtle it is most certainly a stabilizing force amongst these three factions.
The end really is coming. What comes after that is anyone's guess.
Erenthia Erenthia's picture
Protestantism however....
...did not fair as well, but it's distributed nature allowed it to survive in respectable numbers. The institutions largely crumbled, but the theology and the veneration of the Christian Bible remained. Much of the petty theological divisions that had separate Baptist, Presbyterian, Methodist, and the dozens of others became irrelevant in the face of the fall, and that attitude contributed greatly Protestantisms survival. While there are one or two small Protestant dominated habs, most Protestants have become self-appointed missionaries. They are also some of the only people free to travel in and out of the Jovian system, helping to moderate the Jovian relationship to the rest of the system. Surprisingly few missionaries are requested by the Jovians to act as spies and most of the few who do decline. Protestants also exist on Extropia - a place that has helped them revitalize the long forgotten "Protestant Work Ethic." Most Protestants dislike the libertarian morals but have come to accept things like the legality of drugs, if not prostitution. Interestingly, re-sleeving technology has all but destroyed the Protestant stance against homosexuality (not so for Catholics). Titan bears a small but noticeable fraction of Protestants. Many Protestants who chose to make Titan their home have pointed to the socialist nature of the Apostles in the book of Acts or Jesus's teaching about not worrying about "what you shall eat or where you shall sleep" as explicit endorsements of technosocialism. Much to the consternation of both Titan and Jovian officials, Protestants living in the two states attempt to stay in contact with each other as much as possible. In spite of, or perhaps in response to, the antagonism between Titan and the JJ, their Protestant members see a special kinships between each other (that is, Protestants on Titan with Protestants in the JJ). Both groups make a spectacle of praying for peace between the two groups - and the Protestants in the Jovian system make an especially big deal of it. Perhaps most surprising are the Protestants among the Anarchists. While not as popular as Neo-Buddhism, the distributed nature of Protestantism - both in terms of structure and theology, with each disciple assumed to have his or her own direct line to God, makes it far more appealing to Anarchists than Catholicism. These Protestants are the ones most likely to be scientifically minded, and tend to believe that the advancement of Science and Technology are key elements of God's Will, in addition to ethical treatment of others as exemplified in the Golden Rule.
The end really is coming. What comes after that is anyone's guess.
Gorkamorka Gorkamorka's picture
You might want to define the
You might want to define the protestants on Titan a bit more. My understanding is that Titan is a Scandinavian influenced region. All the Scandinavian countries are heavily Lutheran. With Sweden being least so with only 60+ % of the population being registered Lutherans and the top once like Iceland have 80+% of the population being registered Lutherans. These are places with state sponsored Lutheranism. So if Titan is based on Scandinavian socialism, I would think that a large number of the people there would vote for resources being spent on the church.
Erenthia Erenthia's picture
The basic idea here is that
The basic idea here is that Protestantism has done an about-face. While once it was damn-near a fractal in terms of how many divisions and splinter groups it had, they now simply define themselves as Protestant or in some cases, Evangelicals or Evangelical Christians. That said, the Protestants on Titan [i]would[/i] be heavily influenced by Lutheran orthodoxy and theology, but most Protestants have at this point decided to focus less on what makes them different from others within the context of greater Protestantism. This is a matter of survival. That said, there probably [i]would[/i] be an underlying memetic structure developing to contain and organize the different theologies under one umbrella. Calvinism vs Arminianism would be a distinction that almost certainly would have survived (with most Arminians being in the Outer System while the center of Calvinism would be in the Jovian system).
The end really is coming. What comes after that is anyone's guess.
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
Gorkamorka wrote:My
Gorkamorka wrote:
My understanding is that Titan is a Scandinavian influenced region. All the Scandinavian countries are heavily Lutheran. With Sweden being least so with only 60+ % of the population being registered Lutherans and the top once like Iceland have 80+% of the population being registered Lutherans. These are places with state sponsored Lutheranism. So if Titan is based on Scandinavian socialism, I would think that a large number of the people there would vote for resources being spent on the church.
Not really. Scandinavia is largely a post-religious society. Sure, it is *nice* to have beautiful old churches for the little old ladies to go to, and to run the occasional baptism and funeral. But to actually believe? To make religion a major part of your life? That is pretty rare, and makes people a bit uncomfortable. One reason Scandinavians find Americans weird is that they are all so religious. It should also be noted that separation between Church and state has already happened in Sweden and Norway. Even when most people formally belong to the national churches it does not imply that they actually believe (or are Christian - there have been a few fun cases of vocal atheists getting themselves elected to local Church boards, and there was a case a few years ago where a new agey priest failed to keep Mass Christ-centered). A likely explanation of the post-religiosity is simply the social safety net and perceived security of society: if you don't have anything to fear, you don't really need the church for social support. So I would expect there to be nice protestant churches on Titan, but a very strong majority viewing them as a private rather than public matter.
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Erenthia Erenthia's picture
Living here is even weirder
Living here is even weirder than it looks from the outside. As a formerly religious person living in the south-east united states I can have a very unique perspective on religions and religious institutions. Growing up deeply indoctrinated by conservative protestant christianity I got to see what it was like from the inside. And I can tell you, every last one of them is an Olympic Gold Medalist when it comes to Mental Gymnastics. This is neither a complement nor an insult. In fact it is the reason why I believe it would survive the Fall (albeit in a diminished capacity). Religions are subject to evolution. In particular, even the most deeply held religious doctrines are effectively "ablative memes" that protect the "core memes" from harm by virtue of their disposability and replaceability. For instance, you're not going to find the Intelligent Design crowd or the Young Earth people in EP (except perhaps in isolated cult-like compounds). But as religions lost their hold over society it's my opinion that they would become more flexible when faced with "memetic death". In particular, it will be Protestants who are most changed by the fall (as compared to Catholics and Jews) and who will have to find ways to benefit society, and the major benefit to society that they have to offer at this point is stabilization of a highly tense region.
The end really is coming. What comes after that is anyone's guess.
tygertyger tygertyger's picture
Another factor that would
Another factor that would contribute to the survival of religion is the role of the church as a community/network. A church body represents shared resources (such as the food bank that my own church runs), and in some cases will also represent safety in numbers. That latter application would've become very important during the Fall; a highly-motivated individual might be able to shove to the front of the line to the farcaster or space elevator, but a highly-motivated group could do it a lot better. There is also the role of [i]churches[/i] (as opposed to [i]religions[/i]) as agents of social change. Case in point, the American Civil Rights Movement was led by a religious leader and organized in churches. Indeed, American blacks have historically seen the church as the center of our communities -- when other institutions were ignoring our struggles (if not causing them), the church was there for us. Among black Americans who survived the Fall, that wouldn't just go away. There would be disillusioned individuals, to be sure, but it's likely that communities that included significant numbers of people who were born black would also have a strong Christian presence. IMHO, of course.
"If your principles don't inconvenience you from time to time, you don't really have any."
rfmcdonald rfmcdonald's picture
New Jerusalem makes the most
New Jerusalem makes the most sense to me. Right now, Israel extensively funds reproductive medicine and its applications for the benefits of its citizenry. Having this extend to off-planet ego archives makes sense to me. Presumably this is a separate habitat from the ultraconservative Jewish habitat described in Sunward? The Catholic one doesn't make sense to me. It's apparently Roman Catholic doctrine that ego transmissions don't capture the soul, or sever the soul from the body, or do some similar terrible thing. This is a plausible enough extrapolation from current Catholic teachings on bioethics, and on reproductive technologies. I'm not sure that there would be that many faithful, either; if anything, of late the Catholic Church seems to be moving towards severing its ties with the cultural Catholics who increasingly far outnumber true believers in its traditional heartlands.