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Muses and Backing Up

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TadanoriOyama TadanoriOyama's picture
Muses and Backing Up
I've been struck by a thought that I don't remember being covered in the rules. Is a muse automatically backed up along with an ego? Since a muse is so closely linked to an individual I've generally considered it a part of the ego and assumed whenever the ego is saved (to server or to a stack) that the muse's most current version goes with it. Is that a reasonable assumption?
Yerameyahu Yerameyahu's picture
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It's not part of the ego, and presumably only the ego is saved to the stack. However, most people do assume that the muse (which is a computer program like any other) is backed up and forwarded along when the ego moves (resleeve, egocast, simulspace, etc.).
TadanoriOyama TadanoriOyama's picture
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It seemed like an extra punch to add onto an unexpected back up from your stack that your muse wouldn't make the transitation. Assuming I understand the material as presented (and my player's own interaction with their muses) losing your muse would be like losing a very old friend for most transhumans. Probably not worth any Stress value in a normal game but still sad. I suppose as long as you've saved a back up at some point your muse would likewise be saved in a linked file and you could restart the program from a previous instance like you did your own identity.
Yerameyahu Yerameyahu's picture
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:) *shrug* What I know is that the the ego is just the ego, and the cortical stack copies just the ego directly from the brain. It's a secure device. There are definitely many ways to deal with whichever way the game reality works, so I wouldn't guess it's too hard on the players.
KnightSteel KnightSteel's picture
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Well in the fiction in the main book, Sava's muse doesn't come online until a short period of time after he wakes up in his new body, so an inactive copy is maybe sent along with the ego.
TadanoriOyama TadanoriOyama's picture
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Perhaps it could function like a browser program of sorts. A muse, over the course of it's existance, stores small bits of data in the ego of its host (really should read that software agreement more closely) so that when the next muse, regardless of it being the exact same program or not, is able to check the cookies and act like the old muse.
Yerameyahu Yerameyahu's picture
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That just seems like a really bad idea to me. :/ The whole point of the stack is to be a safe copy of the pure ego, AFAIK. What's so hard about making separate backups a simple little muse?
TadanoriOyama TadanoriOyama's picture
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Not difficult I suppose, I'm just thinking "aloud". Since one isn't like to resleeve anywhere but a resleeving facility they would more than likely be able to retreieve a character's most recent back up as well as a back up of the character's muse. The muse isn't going to know the difference and since it's basic personality doesn't change much in the short term everything would basically be the same.
Tyrnis Tyrnis's picture
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I'm with Yerameyahu, here. I could certainly see a copy of the muse being stored along with the ego when you make your backup. I could also see people making regular backups of their muse between backups of their ego, either to a secure storage site on the mesh or to an off-mesh physical storage medium for the particularly security conscious. All too easy to make permanent loss of your muse a rare event without putting the ego at any greater risk.
Axel the Chimeric Axel the Chimeric's picture
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I would imagine that any company that offers back-up insurance also keeps a copy of the muse, too, gratis.
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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When you backup yourself it is only natural to include your digital possessions. Your ego might be most important, but keeping your contracts, signatures, encryption keys, personal files, blueprints and muse are pretty high priority too. It would be odd if backup insurance doesn't include that. There might be adventure hooks there. A PC restored from backup discovers unexpected "gifts" among their files, almost as if the backup service had accidentally included somebody elses files - which sounds exceedingly unlikely. But maybe they *are* that other unknown person, and for some reason has erased their memory and identity? Or was it somebody else? Is the files a present from Firewall... or a dangerous trap arranged by a very powerful group with access to the backup service. But why?
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Yerameyahu Yerameyahu's picture
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Just to be clear, I certainly wasn't saying you wouldn't have muse backups. I'm saying that they're not in the stack/part of the ego.
Tyrnis Tyrnis's picture
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Don't worry, you were pretty clear. I've been reading these last several posts as support for your argument as to why the muse doesn't _need_ to be in the stack or part of the ego.
Xagroth Xagroth's picture
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Oh oh... I just woke up and found some extra archives that shouldn't be there! And they tell me that my last ego died horribly in an undisclosed location, unable to trigger the neutrino farcaster... Should I open the files? Are they from my "other me"? Are they infected by the exurgent virus? Paranoia has been served XD.