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Mirror Mirror/Alternate Histories

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greymauser greymauser's picture
Mirror Mirror/Alternate Histories
I was reading Eclipse Phase while watching Enterprise and it occurs to me that there was no way for Roddenberry to have really conceived of transhumanism. There were the eugenics wars and all but no real exploration of transhumanism. I believe someone was once downloaded in early Star Trek. Sorry, I will get to my point. I have always loved the Mirror Universe episodes and the alternate history episodes. What if in an alternate timeline first contact occurred shortly before the fall. While humanity is working with the Vulcans to build their first warp capable ship the Fall happens. The Vulcans disable their subspace communications systems so that the TITANS cannot transmit themselves out of system. Due to their mental training and physiology the Vulcan contingent seems to be immune to the exovirus several however are killed during the fall and uploaded. Together with the Argonauts and the infant Firewall organization the remaining Vulcans secretly build a warp capable ship to send out to warn the known sentient races of the galaxy about the TITANS.
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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greymauser wrote:
I was reading Eclipse Phase while watching Enterprise and it occurs to me that there was no way for Roddenberry to have really conceived of transhumanism. There were the eugenics wars and all but no real exploration of transhumanism. I believe someone was once downloaded in early Star Trek.
Well, modern transhumanist ideas were not around in those days, but there were plenty of forerunners. Haldane's "Daedalus", Stapledon's very transhumanistic novels, Bernal's non-fiction sketches of everything from cyborgs to Dyson shells - they were conceived in the 1930s.
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Sorry, I will get to my point. I have always loved the Mirror Universe episodes and the alternate history episodes. What if in an alternate timeline first contact occurred shortly before the fall. While humanity is working with the Vulcans to build their first warp capable ship the Fall happens. The Vulcans disable their subspace communications systems so that the TITANS cannot transmit themselves out of system. Due to their mental training and physiology the Vulcan contingent seems to be immune to the exovirus several however are killed during the fall and uploaded. Together with the Argonauts and the infant Firewall organization the remaining Vulcans secretly build a warp capable ship to send out to warn the known sentient races of the galaxy about the TITANS..
Sure, but... One reason Rodenberry didn't include transhumanism in his vision of Star Trek (and the franchise has followed this fairly well) is that he had a particular humanist conception of the human race (and the other all too human aliens). A fairly optimistic one, but it assumes that human nature is essentially unchangeable and that any attempt to change it will make things bad. Star Trek is by its nature all about overcoming bad ideas, bad culture and dangerous things in order to flourish as a human. Eclipse Phase starts by assuming human nature is changeable. Attempts to change it will not necessarily lead to bad things. However, the universe and the transhuman mind is filled with dangerous, horrible things that might even be invincible. It is a much darker view, where morality is shades of grey and heroes do bad things because the alternatives are even more terrible. They really are mirror universes. Combining them means that something has to give. You could make the optimistic take on EP: yes, there are horrible dangers out there (the Borg, the Exsurgent virus) and supercivilizations (Q continuum, ETI). But with some bravery, luck and tenacity one can overcome or circumvent them. Those nasty klingons/hypercorps/anarchists/ultimates can be made to see the light. Or you allow the ST universe to become darker: sure, the Vulcans might resist the madness of the virus, but that doesn't mean they do not have other dark sides (would you feel at ease with a species that have ritual violence as part of the mating ritual? Or might make perfectly logical utilitarian decisions about planetary populations when survival is at stake?) Enhancement might actually be inherently corrupting, but you need it to survive. Transhuman nature is flawed, and now it is going to be written across the stars. I'm not saying combining the universes is a bad idea, just that it involves a fundamental clash of perspectives.
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greymauser greymauser's picture
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I'm not saying combining the universes is a bad idea, just that it involves a fundamental clash of perspectives.
Exactly. I was thinking of it as an alternate like the Mirror universe where there is a Terran Imperium, not a combining. Maybe at some point the actual Enterprise crew would actually make an appearance or vice versa. I was trying to figure out what to call the 1st ship because it should somehow be indicative of its mission. Something about defense or warnings like the USS Harbinger. It would be inherently darker than Roddenberry's vision.
Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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I like the idea of uchronies, but why bringing in Star Trek? It's so far removed from the EP mindset and themes, it's like fitting cubes into smaller pyramids. the idea of the first contact before the Fall is interesting. How things would have changed if the Factors came before the TITANs got infected, for exemple? or what if the Prometheans and transhumans won or managed to keep Earth (which idea I'm not keen to. That's one of my favorite plot in EP, the loss of Earth Another fun idea for an uchrony would be to have a strong Uplift nation, a rival to both the PC and the Jovian Junta or what if the Iktomi never were extinct, but played possum instead. Upon learning that Factors are about to reach out to Transhumans, they come out of hiding and make first contact before the conservative race of the Factors can come and feed bullshit to us. many possibilities to explore without involving the goody-two-shoes federation and Starfleet
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nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
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greymauser wrote:
I was trying to figure out what to call the 1st ship because it should somehow be indicative of its mission. Something about defense or warnings like the USS Harbinger.
Corvus? I'm interested to see what you come up with. Keep us posted.
rfmcdonald rfmcdonald's picture
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In fairness, in the novelization for the first Star Trek movie, Roddenberry did hint that transhumanism of a sort was progressing. The "New Humans" (http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/New_Human) were becoming a substantial minority of the stay-at-home human population, product of increased peace and stability and characterized by the use of telepathy and other ESP powers to produce group consciousnesses. The New Humans disappeared from the emergent Trekverse after that. The basic theme, though, of transcendence is inherent to the universe. In the various Star Trek series, it's almost terrifyingly easy for a precocious individual--or world, or civilization--to accelerate towards a singularity and develop god-like power, featuring even in TOS' premiere ("Where No Man Has Gone Before") and dominating Deep Space Nine. I'd make the case that the Prophets are even products of a transhumanist phase on Bajor: as a unified high-tech world for in excess of twenty thousand years with a population ranking at least in the hundreds of millions, the sheer size of the Bajoran gene pool may have allowed for substantial evolution over time, some branches taking different courses from others, and that Prophets even say that they are "of Bajor". (Oh, but that the Cardassians were _lucky._) Could EP be merged into Star Trek? Sure, if you want it. The question of balancing the themes has to be answered adequately, but I think that it can be done since the TV and film series (never mind the books) did that on several occasions. A relatively easy way to do it might be to take Eclipse Phase at its current point--2143, I think it's been argued, judging from the relative placement of the planets on maps and on Uranus' entering a new season--and merge it with the Trekverse circa 2143. (No Third World War in the 2050s, no Cochrane in the 2060s to attract the Vulcans, no later reconstruction of Earth on solid conservative lines.) Even before the Fall, I think that the Vulcans--and everyone else in the neighbourhood--would have become rather wary by the very rapid de/transhumanization of human civilization. I've joked with friends that the Federation, with all of its technological wonders limited so effectively by a lack of imagination, is basically a desperate effort by the reality-loving Vulcans to try to prevent a regional singularity and sublimation to a higher state of being. Except for Trek's FTL technologies, the pre-Fall civilization that has copies its souls to portable physical substrates and terraforming and uplifting everything is more advanced than the _24th century_ Federation. After the humans' strategic defense computers ravage the homeworld before disappearing, leaving ruin and gates which connect to a pan-galactic network (huh, is _that_ what happened to the Iconians?), well.
nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
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I love that idea, of the vulcans being anti-singularity and stepping in specifically to stop humans from developing down that path. I may have to bring that up at home!
rfmcdonald rfmcdonald's picture
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From what we've seen on the television the Vulcans are very status quo conservatives, trying to manipulate less advanced species into behaving politely and responsibly using various forms of soft and hard power, preventing interference in the least advanced species through their proto-Prime Directive, and resisting the urge to radically alter the Vulcan species and indeed to neglect potentially game-changing elements of their makeup like their psionics until very late. (And in the meanwhile the Vulcan splinter civilization that is Romulus used naked singularities to power its starships. A coincidence that the Romulans left their homeworld?)
nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
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Vulcans = Jovian Republic? ;P