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Last ship off Earth? Start of AF Dates?

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BlackJaw BlackJaw's picture
Last ship off Earth? Start of AF Dates?
I've been thinking about the dates in Eclipse Phase, and how they are measured as Before Fall and After Fall. I've been wondering how they figure The Fall ended? Is there a sort of officially recognized last ship off Earth that is considered the end of the Fall, which would imply a Date (month/year) that humanity escaped Earth? I know in Sunward lists Venus as having an Earth Day on April 26th. I've been thinking about there might be a ship somewhere that is famous as the last ship to survive getting off earth, and some story about it? It and the people on it (at least the captain, but everyone if it was small or harrowing) would be somewhat famous. Thoughts?
Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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In my personal timeline (read: non canon), I consider a gap of several years between the end of the conflict and Day 1 of AF1 The Fall itself lasted ten years, in my personnal story line, from 2148 to 2158, year of the last sighting of the actual TITANs and AF0, which is referred to as The Lost Forty, ended on December 31st 2197 at 2359 hours zulu, when the Anno Domini was officially abandonned and the Planetary Consortium was officially inaugurated. Lots happened during those 40 years (statistic and symbolic estimation delivered by the Argonaut, and chosen by the Consortium leaders for the memetic and cultural value of the number from Judeo christian perspective, which had raised quite a few protest from many groups). Habitats were builds, endentures were contracted, refugees first parked into camps, either virtuals or reals, revolts and riots, formation of the factions that we know in AF10. A theory I've had is that the Gates were known in secret for much longer than they are publicly known. Because there is no way such facility like the one on Mars in Maadim could have be up and running in less than a decade with THAT level of efficiency. What they public know of the Gatecrashing initiatives are, I believe, just the tip of the iceberg Another detail is that I believe the Jovian Junta still counts in AD years. Also, the Lost 40 serve to explain how they could have assembled a population of millions and several habitats and enough military to fuel a functioning junta, and not the cartoony -Propaganda from Firewall and the Consortium alike, I'm telling you!- excuse of a nation.
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Re: Last ship off Earth? Start of AF Dates?
Quincey Forder wrote:
Also, the Lost 40 serve to explain how they could have assembled a population of millions and several habitats and enough military to fuel a functioning [s]junta[/s]...
...a functioning [i]Republic[/i]... ;) Also, a nicely thought out timeline adaptation. I particularly like the reasoning on the Gates.
Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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Well, it's the most logical choice (the gap between the Fall and AF1), considering the progress that has been made since the moment that we, as a species, faced extinction, and seeing the relative routine in egocasting, resleeving and gatecrashing. and have a couple generations born in those respective factions and habitat. Two generations who never knew Earth before the Fall. Who never knew a world of nation states, only factions and independant habitats, autonomous Scum barges fleets, Titan Commonwealth and Planetary Consortium... and the Jovian Ju...err Republic! Two generations who'd be ready to fight to preserve the way of life they'll have known their entire lives. When I played as a player and not as a GM, last november, our GM stated that we didn't play in AF 10 but AF 72. Since then, I've been thinking that while it's pure common sense to think that the Transhumanity couldn't have gone from brink of extinction to space faring technological civilisation in less than a decade, that it was possible to stay with the canon timeline. It was mentioned in the corebook that the TITANs messed up with time recording logs and dates and calendar, making people unsure of what year it really was. That gives us all the time in the world for people to lick their wounds some and establish themselves in new homes and build a territorial psychology, as described in Panopticon so two-point-five inspirations led me to think about the timeline previously exposed -The new calendar introduction ideas spawned from the opening scene in Gundam Unicorn OAV 1, with the inauguration of the Universal Century -The 2158/2198 anno domini years come from two spinoffs from Gargoyles, as imagined by Greg Weisman (Spectacular Spider-Man, Young Justice) named Timedancer and Gargoyles 2198. They both feature (among other, in Timedancer's case) the future of Clan Wyvern at the verge of an alien invasion that completed fucked up the world's technology and deprived them of their world leaders. Originally, in its first version, the spinoff was taking place in 2158. So i made a tip of the hat with those dates in my continuity. click on the Spoiler button to read the pitch of the 2198 spinoff bellow
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nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
Re: Last ship off Earth? Start of AF Dates?
I also really like Forder's explanation, and may begin using it in my own games. Regardless, most dating systems start from when something happened, not when something ceased to happen. So "AF 0" might mark the official founding of the Consortium, and everyone else jumped on for the ease of conversation and to move away from bad memories.
Thunderwave Thunderwave's picture
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nezumi.hebereke wrote:
Regardless, most dating systems start from when something happened, not when something ceased to happen.
Something did happen. The TITANS left. The war didn't just end, but the enemy just vanished off the battlefield. I'd say that's a pretty big "Something happened".
Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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Yes, but after that, it must have taken YEARS for the survivors to get back to their feet and organize themselves, creating the new faction, building habitats, etc that's why I though about the Lost 40. between the departure of the TITANs and AF 1
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nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
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Thunderwave wrote:
Something did happen. The TITANS left. The war didn't just end, but the enemy just vanished off the battlefield. I'd say that's a pretty big "Something happened".
But it's a lack of something (enemies). People have never started dating systems based on the end of a war. After the war it's just anarchy. People survive. Calendars require someone big enough to standardize everyone. A burned out planet can't do that. It has to be an organization. And since the TITANs didn't exactly write a letter saying 'okay guys, been fun, we gotta roll', even if you do accept 'TITANs left' as the start of your calendar, people will all disagree on when exactly that was (so again, no set 'AF 0').
Zoombie Zoombie's picture
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Well, remember, a lot of the habitats already existed. How many are noted as being built "after the fall". I can't actually THINK of any. The solar system was already colonized and settled, then the Fall came, then the Earth was gone and the last ten years have been trying to rebuild everything. The way that the fluff is written, it feels like the Fall was only yesterday for most of these people. I know they're immortal, but I still think there'd be more sense of distance. Most everyone remembers the old time, and there's not a single mention of an adult who was born after the Fall, unless you count the Lost. Plus, I think having godlike machines trying to kill you is really easy to notice. I don't think it'd take much more than a few weeks of noticing no new attacks before people would start talking to other habs. Once it becomes clear that NO ONE has been attacked for months, then someone will go, "I...think it's over..." I don't see anything more than a year before some bright memegineer goes, "Say, we should really solidify our victory. Lets give them a way of showing that it's beyond us...hmm..how about a dating system?"
Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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A near extinction is a very traumatic experience, one I don't think could be dealt with within a year. that's why I though about the decades long gap, during which the Planetary consortium was being formed, memes being engineered and spread, administrations being built, etc. Another reason I though about the gap is the endentures system. Some get out, legally or otherwise, others get it. Forming a cycle of sort A third reason would be children. With about half a century, two generations has grown either on Mars, Titan, or the habitats and barges. That would just be enough to anchor the different factions within the transhuman cultures
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