A spin off from this thread: http://www.eclipsephase.com/comment/49949#comment-49949
I did not just link to a NY article: I explained what I googled, and I gave 2 links from that search, both of which referenced several studies. The NY article is about what the US Supreme Court found when it surveyed the body of studies on gun control and the US Supreme Court has representatives from both sides of the political spectrum, and to the best of my knowledge HowStuffWorks is neither biased nor untrustworthy. Here's an excerpt from the HowStuffWorks article, referencing 2 studies: On the other hand, Norway, Finland, Germany, France and Denmark, all countries with heavy gun ownership, posted low murder rates in the early 2000s compared to "gun-light" developed nations. In 2002, for example, Germany's murder rate was one-ninth that of Luxembourg, where the law prohibits civilian ownership of handguns and gun ownership is rare [source: Kates and Mauser]. Statistics within countries paint a similar picture: Areas of higher gun ownership rates correlate with areas of lower rates of violent crime, and areas with strict gun laws correlate with areas high in violent crime [source: Malcolm]. As I wrote elsewhere in the original thread, you have to be careful with correlations as they don't imply causation. But it is hard to get around the fact that strict gun control correlates with higher crime rates more often than not.http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/29/weekinreview/29liptak.html?pagewanted=... According to the study, published last year in The Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy, European nations with more guns had lower murder rates. As summarized in a brief filed by several criminologists and other scholars supporting the challenge to the Washington law, the seven nations with the most guns per capita had 1.2 murders annually for every 100,000 people. The rate in the nine nations with the fewest guns was 4.4. http://people.howstuffworks.com/strict-gun-laws-less-crime1.htm It appears to be the same picture throughout: studies show either less crime with more guns, or no correlation.A New York Times article is clearly proof that I'm making stuff up. If you're going to accuse me of being actively dishonest, I suggest you gather more proof of my dishonesty than "a New York Times article contradicts me", because otherwise you're just pulling accusations out of your ass to discredit me. Now you're just making stuff up. Just by googling gun law crime relation I found for example this as the top two - both articles look at multiple studies: