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Eclipse Phase Software
Hi all Well it's the night of before the con, and I have done as much with my Eclipse Phase Software that I can. I will be taking it to the con with me to battlefield test it :) What it does so far: * Stores character details * Allows any skill to be added and selected from a database of skills - with base scores and aptitudes saved for each character * Stores NPC (enemies) details - with same skill functionality * Selecting a skill automatically rolls d100 against that skill with a "current" modifier and resolves critical success and failure * then selecting any other skill (or clicking a roll button for the same skill) auto rolls against the skill * Stores all stats for character, including motivations, faction, morph types, all rep stats * Stores all weapon details, including ranges, damage, AP mod, etc. * And for every selectable thing that you can select, it keeps a database of all of those things - inc over 100 skills, morphs, motivations, weapons, etc. This is a fully selectable database of everything to do with EP. Since usually a picture is worth 1000 words, I have attached a picture of the character screen. There are others, boring ones for adding weapons, skills, etc. But the character data is the main screen. After I get back from the con, I will make some adjustments and if you want I will post a video on YT perhaps. If you are very interested and want to keep this (ie ME) rolling on this project, then reply to this thread - or PM me and get into a conversation. I don't want to have to keep posting new threads entitled "hey guys this is where I'm up to". Enjoy the picture - see you after the con. ~ken
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Very nice. What platform does the software run on?
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kenkthulhu kenkthulhu's picture
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Thanks for your interest, Insanity. It runs on Windows (any flavor) or Mac with MS Office. I am converting it to a .Net app, and I will probably take it into an Android app of some sort. Far away tho. I just loaded it up with some NPCs for tomorrow's game and I found some flaws - NPCs don't need a lot of stuff, so I can save some screen real estate there. I think I will blog my progress.
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LostProxy LostProxy's picture
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This is amazing. It's stuff like this that makes me want to learn how to write something besides calligraphy. EDIT: When do you think you'll have a version for download?
Arathi Arathi's picture
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WoW. Very nice :) I can't wait to try it on my android phone... it will be very usefull app :)
Tyrnis Tyrnis's picture
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Can't wait until you make this available for download. From the screenshot and the functionality you describe, it seems like it'll come in really handy when I run a session for my friends here in a few weeks.
kenkthulhu kenkthulhu's picture
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Good news - I am back from the con. Bad news - I didn't get to use the EP software. I had to cut my participation to one con event, and with limited players. There were new players who had not roleplayed before, and a roleplayer who didn't know the system but liked the book and had read some of the material. So we kind of walked through it, and the software just seemed like overkill. Dauntless, inspired by the con and a brief chat with a passer-by EP player, I am moving on with the software. As I continue, if you want me to make any software available to you then I am happy to do so provided you PM me with a request. I would like some help in testing it in a battlefield, so when it is ready, you can have it. Meanwhile, would anyone like me to put up a YouTube video of it's function (rather than my poor description)???
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Lilith Lilith's picture
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I wouldn't mind a YouTube video. I don't run any games, so I couldn't really make use of it, but I'm curious to see it in action if that situation ever changes, and I'm all about using technology to make running my games easier. :)
Tyrnis Tyrnis's picture
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I'd go watch a YouTube video, although I'm perfectly happy with just text for a description. Also, I'm PMing you momentarily.
Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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I'd be well in favor of a youtube video (preferably HD 720 or 1080 so it would be possible to read what's on the screen) but a written description would also be welcome, as companion to the video and possibly a screen shot with legends
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Calligraphy is nice. I did that and it helped improve my handwriting - downside is everyone wants me to do wedding invitations, placecards, coffee cups, birthday cards, etc. I can have this ready by Friday (my time, probably 16 hours in your future).
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Hi everyone Thanks to everyone that has replied or PM'd. I asked for PM so I could keep you in private conversations if we need to. It helps to have a point of contact. If you don't hear from me, then don't be worried - it just means I have been too busy getting stuff ready. I am going to stop this being a one-morph show, and open it up to the floor for input. I know it runs a risk of losing steerage (it's no longer mine if I ask everybody for their ideas, is it?). But I have had a few comments like "I wouldn't use it but I'd like to be a part of it" or "no I don't need it, but can I have it anyway?" So what would you like to see in the software? This is GM software (I am working on a Player version that taps into it) -- this is what I am working on * the character screen is too cluttered (yes everything is in one screen, but it is real busy) and on a laptop it is too much * goons and npcs don't need as much player info - so some screen space can be saved there - so new screens for npcs and goons * the combat resolvernator (tm) - probably the single biggest hangup for GM's is the combat resolution - I want to point and click and resolve actions and combat rounds. * hot-key EVERYTHING - by the time my hand has gone for the mouse and found the on-screen location of the button and clicked it, and the outcome resolved, I could have picked up two dice and dropped them many times * diarise game activity - this would be a variable game-time based activity monitor. * a mapper or map provider - I don't need a software mapper, but I would like to bring up a layout of specific locations * a name generator, specific to cultures or backgrounds * a character up-grader - this is for npcs that a GM might want to revamp into a tougher adversary. I think I fix the issues with the character screen that I identified prior to the con, and then I will post a functionality vid to youtube. Then I will spend some more time building the EPGMT. Now the way I made it, it is really easy for me to incorporate ANY ideas. Tell me what you want to see :) ~kenkthulhu I just had some more ideas!
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Octomorph Octomorph's picture
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Ken, I'd definitely be using it, as we've run a couple of EP games in my group and I'm gearing up for another one. I'd definitely like an NPC generator, both for goons and najor adversaries, as well as a way of managing characters (particularly applying combat and other effects). Initiative tracker would be nice, along with a summary of current effects (e.g. Name, cum. effect)
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kenkthulhu wrote:
Thanks for your interest, Insanity. It runs on Windows (any flavor) or Mac with MS Office.
It runs on MS Office? Does this mean it may run on IBM Lotus Symphony as well (about 90% compliant to MS Office and fully cross platform (Windows, Mac OS X, Linux, BSD, Solaris, Unix, and Others)? http://symphony.lotus.com
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thelabmonkey thelabmonkey's picture
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Something that would be really useful for me would be some mechanism by which I could export or save a jmobius character sheet and import into your program. That would save you from having to deal with character creation at all and just concentrate on game interactions. I would definitely love to see an initiative tracker in there, too! I love the idea of re-rolling initiative each round, but I house-rule to just do once at start cause it drags down the combat otherwise... an automated system would rock. Thanks for the hard work!
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Octomorph: it is NOT a generator. That is not my domain. I can build one, and I don't think I would have trouble, but I would rather commit more to GM tools than to player tools right now. So generation as such is at the bottom of my list. But it will let you put in whatever character data you want, and certainly assists in choosing most of the variable and multiple elements: eg motivations, skills, morphs, etc.
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TBRM: it runs using MS Office. I will give more details later, because right now I am building another one for Windows - without the Office component.
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thelabmonkey: of course a lot of people are leaning towards a character generator. I don't want to do one. I can however, pickup an excel sheet and import the details - this requires considerable work though. Initiative (and a combat planner resolver) is on the books. How do players feel about NOT rolling initiative? Would they miss something that would be offset by the speed of play? Hard work? Not really. Just time. I will plod away and see what I can do by Friday, hey?
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Hmm - I said NPC generator, not character - to me, that's pretty much in the sweet spot for GM tools.
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kenkthulhu wrote:
thelabmonkey: of course a lot of people are leaning towards a character generator. I don't want to do one. I can however, pickup an excel sheet and import the details - this requires considerable work though. Initiative (and a combat planner resolver) is on the books. How do players feel about NOT rolling initiative? Would they miss something that would be offset by the speed of play? Hard work? Not really. Just time. I will plod away and see what I can do by Friday, hey?
I believe that the jmobius sheet has a "flat view" page which has all the stuff listed out in a very simple format. If I had any free time at all ever, I could help write a parser that would slurp it up into your fields...
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@octomorph: you did say that - my apologies. In my design the all characters use the same basic template. My confusion, sorry about that. And you are correct, it is clearly in the GMT sweet spot. For me this is a design branch - for then I would have two character types, when currently I have one. Something I have considered for the longer term. Right now it WILL let you design a NPC (or PC), it just isn't AUTO-generate :)
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@thelabmonkey: I don't know that I need a parser. Can I get a jmobius sheet from somewhere? I am sure that I could just import it - that's not too hard. But I don't want to replace anyone's hard work. I know a lot of people have put time and love into their sheets, pdfs, and other stuff, and I don't want to take away from any of that. Let me get something going by Friday/Saturday and we'll see what I can deliver.
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Oh! My bad, the jmobius sheet is linked in here: http://www.eclipsephase.com/resources#homebrew and I really should attribute both JMobius and Kindalas for their hard work updating it with new editions and errata. It's a character creation/upkeep excell sheet that is absolutely amazing. Since you have (understandably) stated no interest in the character generation process, I see little to no overlap between the two projects, but so much to gain from a collaboration! Two tools, but with cross-compatibility. The flat view has each stat, skill, piece of gear, etc laid out in their own row. It would save a lot of time copying data from one place to another by hand if, like me, you have players that send you their updated copy of the jmobius-kindalas sheet 10 min before the session is supposed to start. :) There are also detailed gear descriptions which they and some other community members have filled in which could probably be scraped straight into your app as mouse-over or click descriptions. Kindalas is in the process of making a new character generation sheet and I have asked if he would include a flat-view sheet in his as well for this very reason. http://www.eclipsephase.com/character-sheet-development-kindalas I recommend sending him a message to see if he would give you his blessing on the idea and maybe agree on a particular data structure to maintain compatibility after updates... I took a swing at a combat manager a while back, but I'm not a programmer and it's been stalled for a while... but in case if gives you any ideas, I've posted it here: http://itsmax.net/sandbox/eclipsephase/ep_combat.html It's like-wow-incomplete but if you click around some stuff actually works.
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Hello all I talked to kindalas about an interface with the jmobius/kindalas character sheet - and it seems possible. Early days yet, and not a huge priority for me. Unfortunately, an underlying problem with the platform framework, meant that I had to fix that before I got back to expanding the EPGMT. So I now have Game, Game Players, and Players details screens. I have to rework the Character screen. And there is a navgitation nightmare to unravel - it is quite likely that the software user will want to navigate between different screens whilst maintaining context between them - eg create a Game, add Players to that Game, add new players to the system, add characters for that game and player. Kinda important stuff just to move around! Anyway, I missed my deadline to deliver so you can test. Let's see how I travel tomorrow. Keep in touch. ~k
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I have a screenshot of the Main Menu if that helps anyone.

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Octomorph Octomorph's picture
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If you want any input or feedback on architecture or flow, would be happy to contribute.
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I love to have a look on the screenshot! I'm really eager to get my paws on that application!
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Hi everyone. Well to say the least, I had some trouble. I completely redesigned the character screen, and built screens for games and players. My no-click skill auto-roller works a treat - very proud of that. Still have to do the Implants, Gear, and Armor sections for the char screen - but it is looking good. I guess the rest of the software will be screens for the locations, gates, vehicles, etc and they're pretty much cookie cut - so I would say I am almost finished this version. I tried making a video for youtube, but when I got to the char screen I thought that I should fix it before I went any further. So no video just yet. Besides, why spend the time to make a video when I can complete the project in the same time? And then I need to package it for you guys to try. See you on the other side :-) ~ken
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I'm really looking forward this program! could you take a snapshot of the new version, please? This will be a triumph! I'll make a note: huge success! (sorry, it appears I'm been hit by an aural basilisk hack. Or maybe a meme attack through a song I can't stop humming!)
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Quincey you are an inspiration! ok so how do I attach screenshots to an existing thread? start another thread? I am so close to making this thing work. Let's see how I go today, and I will put up a video. Thank you, people. I hope no one is disappointed.
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*blinks* I am? how so? by the way, have you seen the thread I started last month? (or was it two months ago?) called Project Muse. I submitted an idea for a project a lot like your own, and attached some idea sketch for a graphic interface. This could provide further inspiration as for the picture, here is a good place as any. I'm looking forward seeing them!
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Quincey: it appears that one can only attach files if a new thread is started. I don't see any options to add files.
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ok I blogged it. http://epgmt.blogspot.com Please be gentle. ~ken
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Octomorph Octomorph's picture
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Looks outstanding! Can't wait to get my tentacles on it!
Tyrnis Tyrnis's picture
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Very nice looking interface. Looking forward to getting to try it out.
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Ok I think I am about ready to release the beast. I have most of the static screens done (any more would be just like the existing screens, and therefore easy to add later). The character screen needs some layout improvement. I have been speccing up the combat screen - wow took three days just to work out what should go in there. And it is massive! But before I begin I think I can deliver something. I will need to lock it up and package it for delivery. ~k
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a short user manual would be a good idea, to show the different possibilities of the beast (and the harlot, to quote A7F) Question: -is it possible to load, save and export characters, like on an USF flashdrive, when going to the players' or the GM's place -is there anything planned for settings' maps? -two of my players have Macs. will it run on it? I'm looking forward using it!
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Quincey Manual: it kind of drives itself. but I can do that. Export: Yes this is entirely possible - and very easy for me to do. However - since the EPGMT is essentially a database of EP stuff and anyone can put in their own EP game material (I really haven't put much int there), then very quickly it will break if one is importing and exporting. example: my EPGMT has 7 factions stored within it, Mike's has 9 because he created and added another two. So Mike exports a character with one of these new factions. My EPGMT will not import it. Also: if I have Factions that he doesn't have and I import his character then the process may assign Factions he doesn't have to his character's factions. Now, extend this for every other aspect of an EP character - motivations, skills, weapons, armor, etc where any player/gm can create their own material - and we have versions of EPGMT that are incompatible as soon as someone creates new content! --I was going to do maps - not a mapper - but a map storage function. a bit like a combat map or such. --Tell your players to get real computers :) joking! --Yes EPGMT will run on Macs if they have a certain version of MS Office. And because I don't have a Mac then I can't really answer the question. Let's just say if it works then go with it. Otherwise, read below. EPGMT was supposed to be a tool for me to run my con event, then I expanded it to run any game session, and it is still basically a prototype for what I really want to do: a java-based application that I can easily port to any platform; PC, Mac, website, or handheld app. This is a long way off, so I hope EPGMT will suffice for everyone until I get a real application written. I like all the comments (keep them coming) - and I am happy to try to incorporate everything that GMs and players need. Just put it on a list and send it to me. "I wish this thing could..." ~ken
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Is it aviable yet? if yes, where can I find it?
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Hey kenkthulhu any update on when the software will be available it looks really good.
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I am hoping to have something ready for Friday - in limited release. Squeaky wheel gets the worm :)
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Abhoth Abhoth's picture
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woo! Looking forward to it! *squeak*
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*borrows Doc's sound system from Back to the Future and cranks up the volume* ~S~Q~U~E~A~K~!~ (Can you tell it's late enough that I should really have been asleep hours ago?) But seriously, if it does come out by Friday, I can probably put it to good use in the game I'll be running next week, so I'm looking forward to trying it out.
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Hi there I have completed the first cut for testing. If you have registered for testing (I thank you) you must first go to my blog and tell me how cool EPGMT is, or isn't (or leave any old message, doesn't matter). There are six lucky (dubious accolade) testers who put their appendages up to test. If the testing gets rough along the way then let me know. Blog comments give me a link to your email through my email and keeps emails away from this post and forum. However, in fairness to the EP forum, who may like to know how things are going or might like to have input, I think it is best to put any comments or discussion into this thread and thus remain in the EP domain. So, go to my blog. Leave a comment. And I will respond to you shortly. If you can think of another (ie better) method, then I am all ears (well, my morph is, you should see it) :) Please be kind. Please be constructive. And please respect the work I have put into it - EPGMT is freely given for all to enjoy. And if you feel that through providing this software that I have taken anything away from anyone else please let me know and I will rescind my actions. I respect intellectual property and the rights of anyone to create anything for fun or profit. Fly, fly, my pretties. kenkthulhu
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I'd love to try the software, too. Where can I download it?
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I have commented on your blog for EP software FLY FLY MY WINGED MONKIES
Octomorph Octomorph's picture
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I'd Aldo be very interested in testing it.
Abhoth Abhoth's picture
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Having a few problems with the installation have sent you a email, maybe you could post a basic how to just in case I am doing something stupid :)
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I'm having problems as well. I completed installation, but when I try to open the database, I get the following error: 'The command or action 'SetDisplayedCategories' isn't available now. *You may be in a read-only database or an unconverted database from an earlier version of Eclipse Phase GM database *The type of object the action applies to isn't currently selected or isn't in the active view Use only those commands and macro actions that are currently available for this database When I click OK on that popup window, I get another popup where my only action is to select 'stop all macros', and a final popup that closes the database. Note that I do not have Access 2007 (I run Office 2003, but don't have Access at all.) I did install the Access 2007 runtime, which allowed me to complete the install. Will the program run without Access 2007?
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Well, I have another office suite, and not Microsoft's (Open Office, if you wanna know). I though any suite would work, but no! it has to be the Proto-planetary Consortium corporation from Seattle. that was a bad surprise, I must say
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Hello Quincey It would not make sense for me to develop a product and then force anyone to buy software to run it. You can download the MS Access Run-time and run the EPGMT software - it is free and freely distributable. I can put the runtime into the product, and then you wouldn't have to do anything - it just installs and runs fine. But that would make it over 50MB and I could never email it to you as I had originally intended. I had already tailor-made each install for each tester (yes, you) but then when it came to email it to you, my mail client would not allow it. I am sorry about that - truly. Since that tragic idea, I have instead built the test website and uploaded an install package that comes without the runtime and gives you a choice to use MS Office or install the runtime. Would you prefer I put the runtime into EPGMT and then upload it to the test site? That is a bigger file - and where I am, that is a larger cost. Please let me know if I can make this a better experience for you :) ~kenkthulhu
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