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Dueling pistols?

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TranshumanMarina TranshumanMarina's picture
Dueling pistols?
In the core rulebook, In the section about physical entertainment, there is a reference to dueling, and the weapons commonly used in it, like swords, knives, and "pistols firing single-shot soft lead bullets" I haven't really found any other references to the pistol, or the ammunition, and I assume its something left to the Discretion of the GM since they are very much a niche product. If one were to stat out these pistols or ammunition, how would you do so? The most obvious manner is to make one of the firearm pistols (probably the light.) into a single shot, and make a specialized 'soft lead' ammo that probably has some kind of nerf, but I wanna hear what you guys think on the subject, since I could see such weapons becoming prevalent in some circles.
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Smokeskin Smokeskin's picture
The ultimate in accurate
The ultimate in accurate single shot pistols are the free pistols. Anything goes, and the grips wrap around the hand, they have electronic triggers that don't affect accuracy like a hammer, and some add spiky weights for inertia. [img]http://www.myhostedpics.com/images/zoned10x/hammerlifp60bobbed.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.nrablog.com/image.axd?picture=2013%2F3%2F2013_nra_free_pistol... For duelling I guess you'll want a heavier calibre, but they could provide inspiration.
TranshumanMarina TranshumanMarina's picture
Thats really cool.
It already looks like it fits into Eclipse phase, nearly on its own. nice. I suppose I was thinking more 'crunch' then 'fluff', but that alone has convinced me that fluff is worth looking into. wow. Also, I suppose its worth mentioning that the dueling I brought up from the core, is meant to be something of a sport, and thus less immediately lethal, though apparently still uses live ammo and such. (probably because of how advanced medical technology has come, and the 'relative' ease of being re-sleeved, costs aside.)
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Smokeskin Smokeskin's picture
Then the small calibre of
Then the small calibre of free pistols would be ideal. What is the distance? These guys are hitting the center 10s at 50 meters. If you're supposed to be of risk of missing, the distance has to be long. Of course, stress does horrible things to your accuracy... Is emotional dampening illegal? Off the top of my head, maybe 1d10/2+1 damage. On a crit failure, he missed the center of your chest and the bullet knicks an artery. Something like that perhaps?
ORCACommander ORCACommander's picture
Ellington of Dreyfus Protocol
Ellington or Dreyfus Protocol?
TranshumanMarina TranshumanMarina's picture
Hurray.
@Smokeskin No idea on the real details as such. (like distance, How unlethal things are, ect.) The actual premise of duels for sport was only touched upon lightly, being maybe a paragraph long tops, being lumped together with some other fluff. Here, I will just quote the passage. (I should note, there is a little bit more on the subject, but it delves into stuff like illegal fork arenas and duels in space, rather then talk much more on why and what conditions they have..)
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In some subcultures, dueling has been a popular fad for almost a decade. Swords, knives, and pistols firing single-shot soft lead bullets are all popular choices, because none of these weapons poses any threat to a cortical stack and most do not instantly kill someone hit by them.
Its from page 54. Nothing fancy really. I suppose a lot of it could depend on the Story.. If someone gets into a duel like this, I assume its up to the GM to work out this sort of stuff. As for your actual Ideas, they are interesting and work just fine from what I can see, so thanks for throwing those out. @ORCACommander huh?
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ORCACommander ORCACommander's picture
small spelling mistake i
small spelling mistake i meant "or" instead of "of"
Steel Accord Steel Accord's picture
Dueling
I know I would definitely spend a lot of time amongst these events, though with a preference for swords and unarmed combat. I can see someone carrying a single shot weapon though. Perhaps someone is so confident in their abilities (augmented or otherwise) that they believe they can pull of a kill with only one of two shots. In addition, mods could make handguns function much like bolt-action rifles in that they have more than one shot but the reloading action is quite speedy while still not being near-instantaneous as the modern weapons of EP's world are.
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TranshumanMarina TranshumanMarina's picture
I figure part of the reason
I figure part of the reason it would be single shot is to keep the lethality down, more then confidence to Win in one shot. That being said, I could also see it as a 'balancing' factor to keep blades relevant in the duel.. after all, if Its a pistol and only gets one shot, a miss or low damage hit is hardly going to drop your foe, and then your left with either a glorified club, or forced to use your own blade. Could keep things interesting anyway. (I really like the idea of bolt action pistols though. That just sounds stylish.) I suppose overall, not many people found that passage as interesting as I did. Still, At least there was some talk, and some ideas hashed out. ooh, another idea for 'Soft lead ammo' (assuming it doesn't mean hard case ammo.) would be to lower the AP of the bullets, since lead isnt really going to penetrate well without some case. which works, since the idea seems to be more about biomorphs dueling, as opposed to actual combat. (not that dueling isn't as real, but Its certainly more controlled. Sometimes.)
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Leng Plateau Leng Plateau's picture
Chem lasers
One thing that's about to make a comeback in the EP game I'm running are retro styled chemical lasers. Terribly inefficient and primitive by the standards of post-Fall beam weapons, they use a nuclear battery to ignite and drive a consumable chemical cartridge. Poor range, very limited ammo, but glorious visual effects of steam and a visible pulse. All of that adds up to make them a great sporting weapon. Chem laser dueling pistol AP: 0 DV: 2d10 Ammo: 1 Rate: SS Ranges: 5/15/30/50 Cost: Moderate
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ORCACommander ORCACommander's picture
*sigh* no one gets my
*sigh* no one gets my Honorverse reference :( http://honorverse.wikia.com/wiki/Duel Most duels iirc by protocol involve a single weapon no matter the type with the exception of daggers which you will be offered dual use And by soft lead i have to confirm is how they are referring to unjacketed rounds. fun fact the most common type for this round in pistol caliber is hollow point :)
Leng Plateau Leng Plateau's picture
Honorverse
I got it ORACCommander. Though I doubt anyone in transhuman space has highly ritualized duels (outside of the Ultimates). Casual dueling on the other hand...
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TranshumanMarina TranshumanMarina's picture
I could see some ritualized
I know nothing of honorverse sadly. Maybe ritualized duels of honor could become more popularized with the ease of surviving them, even in a worst case scenario? That being said, I could see it being pretty niche too, since it would be a waste of good morphs.
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