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What's the G here?

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Fri, 2010-09-03 18:11
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OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture
What's the G here?
Sunward describes a bunch of new habitats to explore wich is cool but I'm always wondering what the is the local gravity. For instance: [b]Remebrance[/b] Orbit: Earth-Luna L4 Station Type: O’Neill Cylinder Allegiance: Lunar-Lagrange Alliance Primary Languages: English, Hindi, Wu Major Industries: Shipping, Trade, Information, Politics In the stat block for the station I really wish the Devs had listed the G the station runs at. The could have just said; Station Type: O'Niell Cylinder, (1.0 G) It seems that information is as important and descriptive of the atmosphere as any other. I might assume that Remembrance station turns at 1 G (perceptive) because it's associated with earth. But the decision of the inhabitants to live at 1 G when martian or lunar gravity is more efficient tells me alot about them. Not to mention the mechanical effects of the gravity environment on my character.
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Fri, 2010-09-03 22:14
TBRMInsanity TBRMInsanity's picture
Re: What's the G here?
Earth standard gravity is 1.0 G. It is the norm to which the scale is set.
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Fri, 2010-09-03 23:01
OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture
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No, I get that. mars is 0.36 Luna 0.13 My point is. When they list a space habitat, (that isn't a cluster or a tin can), I wish they'd list the local G. I know I can pretty much assume that stations around mars maintain mars gravity because it makes it easier on most of the people who transit back and forth. Probably habs around venus maintain 1 G for the same reason. (the mass of venus is close to that of earth) There are alot of reasons to maintain a G <1. Structural considerations may be the most important. If you run a lighter G in your hab you can build a lighter hab because you're not supporting the strain of 9.8m/sec accl. Lower G is also probably more comfortable for biomorphs, less strain on the cardiovascular system ect. I'd like to know what the local G is on, Extropia, Rememberance station, the Hexagon. Pretty much any torus, cole bubble, O'niell cylinder, Regan cylinder, all of the stations that are configured specificly for artificial gravity, ought to have their local gravity listed.
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Sat, 2010-09-04 09:49
TBRMInsanity TBRMInsanity's picture
Re: What's the G here?
Lower Gs have other problems (especially when you get to really low Gs (around 0.2 or less). Unless you have a morph (like a bouncer) that is designed for that low of Gs, you get atrophy. Likewise what would the Gs on say the surface of the Sun be like (though since the Suryas "swim" it is less of a problem)?
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Sat, 2010-09-04 09:51
nick012000 nick012000's picture
Re: What's the G here?
Anyone with Basic Biomods doesn't have to worry about muscle atrophy or bone decalcification due to low gravity, and that's basically everyone outside of the Jovian Junta.
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Sat, 2010-09-04 10:26
CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
Re: What's the G here?
TBRMInsanity wrote:
Likewise what would the Gs on say the surface of the Sun be like (though since the Suryas "swim" it is less of a problem)?
Wikipedia says 29G, however that is at the surface of the Sun, and alas I am not an astrophysicist so I am unsure. The lack of G ratings for Stations annoyed me slightly also. Basically I just go with the G rating that makes most sense. If its a station primarily for living on then it spins at a speed to simulate the "natural" G rating of its most populous members. So if its a Lunar station it spins at Lunar G. Mars stations spin at Martian G. ect. The only time I buck from that is when the station would clearly benefit from doing otherwise, either as an acclimatization process, I.e a Spire on a Lunar station that slowly allows High G types to get used to its normal gravity, or because microgravity is simply more beneficial.
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Sat, 2010-09-04 19:34
OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture
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So the G of a station or habitat is similar to the G of 'neighborhood' I can hang with that. I suspect that stations around earth might depart from that genralization fairly often. Most of them are Legacy stations and would have G that suited their original purpose. I'm calling; Remembrance, Hexagon, and Elegua 1 G stations. the Surya's kinda bug me. I don't understand how they work. I don't see any reference to them being boyant or any reference to a medium for them to be boyant in. They "Surf" the gradients of the sun's magnetic field... at 29G's ? They must be moving Super fucking fast! Can you imagine missing the next wave? "Dude! I'm falling into the sun at 29G's. Smoke a bowl for-AAK!"
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Sat, 2010-09-04 20:07
CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
Re: What's the G here?
If discussions on this board have taught me anything about the Surya it is that at times it is best just to accept that, somehow, they work. I imagine the Solar pressure that close to the Sun would be quite powerful, so they are riding that about the place. I use them as "Look, SPACE WHALES!" for my campaigns, plot and story peices more than anything else. I mean, who doesn't love Space Whales (Whales in Space!).
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Sat, 2010-09-04 20:48
OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture
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the whole thing is starting to bug me. I just realized that if there are Surya's and ramjet thingy's in the corona then there are also habitats in the corona which means that they're Orbiting Reaaaaaly fast. or that they're living at 29Gs also. I'm beginning to suspect that none of this can work with EP tech. It also seems to create a setting contradiction in that the Titanians can't manage to build a working He3 scoop off Saturn but the Hypercorps can build magic habitats floating in the Sun's corona. I wish they'd just left the whole life on the sun part out. It's distracting, and there's really limited avenue for adventure in this part of the setting. It would have been better as setting furniture; "this is where characters can go on vacation." I get why it's been included, its an impressively cool concept. Sitting here imagining surfing a Surya is almost better than RL wake boarding. I doubt I'll ever write up a Surya character. I might have a character Jam a Surya through a puppet sock or something but HeHe :D Then I could go home and tell my friends; "I just Jammed a whale right in her Puppet Sock!" :D Giggity :D Suryas RAWK
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Sun, 2010-09-05 12:32
icekatze icekatze's picture
Re: What's the G here?
hi hi Flats would probably need to take special precautions to prevent atrophy at .1G, but it is certainly manageable at that level. .3G would probably be the minimum where a flat would be comfortable over the long term, but .5G would be better. O'neil cylinders can operate at 1G without any difficulty though, so I think that most large space habitats can use any range they like. If introduced to a rotating environment instantly most people will feel motion sickness at 3RPM, and are practically incapacitated at more than 6RPM, however, if people are gradually acclimated to the rotation, you can get up to 10RPM without much trouble. Surya could have definitely used some double checking, if I was going to make an adventure with Surya in them, I would have them surfing the waves of a gas giant, or the photosphere of a cool red dwarf exostar instead of the Sun's corona. At 29G, their physical structure would be very flat, but thats a good shape to be if you're trying to ride solar winds.
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Sun, 2010-09-05 12:53
Extrasolar Angel Extrasolar Angel's picture
Re: What's the G here?
nick012000 wrote:
Anyone with Basic Biomods doesn't have to worry about muscle atrophy or bone decalcification due to low gravity, and that's basically everyone outside of the Jovian Junta.
Actually if you read the Jovian faction rules, they come with flats or splicers. So presumably splicer morphs are accepted.
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Mon, 2010-09-06 10:55
nick012000 nick012000's picture
Re: What's the G here?
Extrasolar Angel wrote:
nick012000 wrote:
Anyone with Basic Biomods doesn't have to worry about muscle atrophy or bone decalcification due to low gravity, and that's basically everyone outside of the Jovian Junta.
Actually if you read the Jovian faction rules, they come with flats or splicers. So presumably splicer morphs are accepted.
Yes, but can you think of anyone other than the Jovians and maybe the odd brinker hab that uses flats?
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Mon, 2010-09-06 11:51
Extrasolar Angel Extrasolar Angel's picture
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nick012000 wrote:
Yes, but can you think of anyone other than the Jovians and maybe the odd brinker hab that uses flats?
Refugees on Luna and in Earth orbit stations I would guess, some very small number of original space settlers on Mars and perhaps an odd catholic or other religious remnants in the system.
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Mon, 2010-09-06 15:37
OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture
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I'm probably about to sidetrack my own thread but; Surgical tanks can do genetic therapy and something like basic biomods is a low cost enhancement. So do flats really exist? [edit] do they exist outside of anti-nano BioCon enclaves, I mean.
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Mon, 2010-09-06 16:28
pablofiasco pablofiasco's picture
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CodeBreaker wrote:
I mean, who doesn't love Space Whales (Whales in Space!).
everyone loves space wells....well..except for that mad ahab dude, he had a bad encounter with a white surya out there, never been the same. I hear he's trying to get a group together to go hunting for it, pays good to....
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