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Clarification sought: Multiple Personalities augmentation

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Sun, 2010-08-22 08:38

babayaga

Clarification sought: Multiple Personalities augmentation

There's a few issues I'm not sure about this augmentation that essentially allows one to host a second ego in the same morph and cortical stack (note that this is different from keeping an extra ego in a ghostrider module in that 1. the two egos are constantly "mindlinked" and 2. the second ego can instantly get control of the morph, without any need of resleeving). Question n.1: the second ego can be "a separate character (in ego form only) made by the player" - so does this mean I get another 1000CP to design this second character? Question n.2: this augmentation gives you an extra Complex Action per turn - though it seems quite reasonable that this second action is taken by the *second* ego, the one in the background, and should thus be taken with that second ego's abilities, aptitudes, traits etc. Am I correct? Question n.3: "For all intents and purposes, the extra personality is treated as a separate ego (i.e., it may fork separately)": does this mean this augmentation can be simultaneously active with a Multi-tasking cyberware implant (allowing the primary ego to create short terms forks of itself)? Multitasking says it is not compatible with augmentation giving extra complex actions, but depending on the answer to Q.2 Multiple Personalities would not really give a character extra actions - it just allows to egos to exist, without either of them getting extra actions.

Sun, 2010-08-22 16:04

root

Re: Clarification sought: Multiple Personalities augmentation

babayaga wrote:
There's a few issues I'm not sure about this augmentation that essentially allows one to host a second ego in the same morph and cortical stack (note that this is different from keeping an extra ego in a ghostrider module in that 1. the two egos are constantly "mindlinked" and 2. the second ego can instantly get control of the morph, without any need of resleeving). Question n.1: the second ego can be "a separate character (in ego form only) made by the player" - so does this mean I get another 1000CP to design this second character? Question n.2: this augmentation gives you an extra Complex Action per turn - though it seems quite reasonable that this second action is taken by the *second* ego, the one in the background, and should thus be taken with that second ego's abilities, aptitudes, traits etc. Am I correct? Question n.3: "For all intents and purposes, the extra personality is treated as a separate ego (i.e., it may fork separately)": does this mean this augmentation can be simultaneously active with a Multi-tasking cyberware implant (allowing the primary ego to create short terms forks of itself)? Multitasking says it is not compatible with augmentation giving extra complex actions, but depending on the answer to Q.2 Multiple Personalities would not really give a character extra actions - it just allows to egos to exist, without either of them getting extra actions.

root@Clarification sought: Multiple Personalities augmentation Could you give the page reference please?

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Sun, 2010-08-22 16:08

CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture

Re: Clarification sought: Multiple Personalities augmentation

(Page 301 EP CORE)

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Sun, 2010-08-22 16:18

root

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root@Clarification sought: Multiple Personalities augmentation

babayaga wrote:
Question n.1: the second ego can be "a separate character (in ego form only) made by the player" - so does this mean I get another 1000CP to design this second character?

Yes, depending on your Gamemaster. S/he may also want to build an NPC for you.

babayaga wrote:
Question n.2: this augmentation gives you an extra Complex Action per turn - though it seems quite reasonable that this second action is taken by the *second* ego, the one in the background, and should thus be taken with that second ego's abilities, aptitudes, traits etc. Am I correct?

That is how it is implied, yes. The second action can be Mesh or mental only.

babayaga wrote:
Question n.3: "For all intents and purposes, the extra personality is treated as a separate ego (i.e., it may fork separately)": does this mean this augmentation can be simultaneously active with a Multi-tasking cyberware implant (allowing the primary ego to create short terms forks of itself)? Multitasking says it is not compatible with augmentation giving extra complex actions, but depending on the answer to Q.2 Multiple Personalities would not really give a character extra actions - it just allows to egos to exist, without either of them getting extra actions.

The Multiple Personalities bioware splits brain space, the Mutlitasking cyberware utilizes cortical stack space. Both personalities are backed up on the cortical stack, so they are both wired to it. You should be able to combine them easily enough, for a maximum of 4 Complex Actions (3 mesh/mental), and a maximum personality ratio of 3:1.

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Sun, 2010-08-22 17:22

root

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root@Clarification sought: Multiple Personalities augmentation [hr] If you are just trying to get lots of actions, there is a cheaper way. COST [High] = 5x[Moderate] = 20x[Low] [Moderate] = 4x[Low] METHOD 1 Cyberbrain [Moderate] Muse [Free] Multiple Personalities [High] Multitasking (2 copies) [High] 5 Complex Actions METHOD 2 Cyberbrain [Moderate] Muse [Free] Ghostrider Module [Low] x40 42 Complex Actions For the same cost as your method, you can get a nice little Fork commune going. Using the Teamworking rules, groups of 4 working on the same project give the primary a +30. Other than the certainty of a GM kicking me in the head for asking, I see no reason why a parallelizable task can't be split hierarchically. GM head-kicking and the laser-pitchfork wielding mob of anti-Singularity reactionists.

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Sun, 2010-08-22 18:57

babayaga

Re: Clarification sought: Multiple Personalities augmentation

Thanks for the clarification! Incidentally, I am the GM :). Since I am learning the system myself, I don't really mind if the players try stuff like this - it actually gives me a better grasp of the directions in which the system is robust, and those in which it is fragile. You are suggesting a fork commune over ghost-rider modules. That does seem to have some drawbacks over Multitasking, though. The multitasking module takes care of the forking (and merging) itself. With ghost-rider modules, you have to do the forking and remerging manually - which can be tricky and requires someone with the psychosurgery skill.

Sun, 2010-08-22 19:48

root

Re: Clarification sought: Multiple Personalities augmentation

root@Clarification sought: Multiple Personalities augmentation [hr]

babayaga wrote:
Thanks for the clarification! Incidentally, I am the GM :). Since I am learning the system myself, I don't really mind if the players try stuff like this - it actually gives me a better grasp of the directions in which the system is robust, and those in which it is fragile. You are suggesting a fork commune over ghost-rider modules. That does seem to have some drawbacks over Multitasking, though. The multitasking module takes care of the forking (and merging) itself. With ghost-rider modules, you have to do the forking and remerging manually - which can be tricky and requires someone with the psychosurgery skill.

Good point about the Forking process. I was thinking that with a pile of ghostrider modules, there would be a rotating list of alpha or beta forks who were focusing on either spinning off delta forks, or merging with delta forks (1 Action Turn to create, 1 to merge). I imagine the information and personality changes would spread at a some logarithm rate, so the whole thing could be seen as one giant mind "dreaming" it's different selves. Even with a low Pychosurgery score, running great numbers of delta forks would help average away any mental trauma caused by forking and merging.

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Fri, 2010-09-03 14:05

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Re: Clarification sought: Multiple Personalities augmentation

root wrote:
The Multiple Personalities bioware splits brain space, the Mutlitasking cyberware utilizes cortical stack space. Both personalities are backed up on the cortical stack, so they are both wired to it. You should be able to combine them easily enough, for a maximum of 4 Complex Actions (3 mesh/mental), and a maximum personality ratio of 3:1.

No, you can't. It explicitly says you can't; the only augmentation of the type it does stack with are the relevant psychic powers.

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Fri, 2010-09-03 15:38

root

Re: Clarification sought: Multiple Personalities augmentation

root@Multiple Personalities augmentation [hr]

nick012000 wrote:
root wrote:
The Multiple Personalities bioware splits brain space, the Mutlitasking cyberware utilizes cortical stack space. Both personalities are backed up on the cortical stack, so they are both wired to it. You should be able to combine them easily enough, for a maximum of 4 Complex Actions (3 mesh/mental), and a maximum personality ratio of 3:1.
No, you can't. It explicitly says you can't; the only augmentation of the type it does stack with are the relevant psychic powers.

I must have missed that. What's the page reference?

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Fri, 2010-09-03 22:02

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Re: Clarification sought: Multiple Personalities augmentation

root wrote:
root@Multiple Personalities augmentation [hr]
nick012000 wrote:
root wrote:
The Multiple Personalities bioware splits brain space, the Mutlitasking cyberware utilizes cortical stack space. Both personalities are backed up on the cortical stack, so they are both wired to it. You should be able to combine them easily enough, for a maximum of 4 Complex Actions (3 mesh/mental), and a maximum personality ratio of 3:1.
No, you can't. It explicitly says you can't; the only augmentation of the type it does stack with are the relevant psychic powers.
I must have missed that. What's the page reference?

P. 307.

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Sat, 2010-09-04 01:00

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root

Re: Clarification sought: Multiple Personalities augmentation

root@Multiple Personalities augmentation [hr]

nick012000 wrote:
No, you can't. It explicitly says you can't; the only augmentation of the type it does stack with are the relevant psychic powers.

And I'm waiting for my brain to remind me why I ignored that. You're right, it's pretty clearly not allowed.

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