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Core Rulebook, lightweight version

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Mon, 2009-12-14 05:05
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jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
Core Rulebook, lightweight version
Hi EP fans. For those who are interested, I'm currently making a lightweight version of the core rulebook - a dry PDF with all the data, but no pictures and no page layout. It's definitely not as nice as the original version, but: - it will weight a few megabytes max - it displays instantly on old hardware - it is printer-friendly (much better if you need to print a few pages for your players) There will be typos in the transcription, as text selection in the PDF file sometimes do weird things, but I will also release the LaTeX sourcecode for those who want to fix a few things. I'm currently at the "System gazeteer" section of the book. If you are interested in a preview, please tell me. PS: thanks for releasing the material under CC licence and make such a thing possible and legal. And I'm currently waiting for my hardcopy version to arrive here in france, by the way.
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Mon, 2009-12-14 09:23
TBRMInsanity TBRMInsanity's picture
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I like the idea of a stuff - no fluff book. You should hand over a copy of your book to CGL after your done and they may sell off the PDF for you as a handbook version of the PDF (or at least give it away on the EP website).
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Mon, 2009-12-14 09:29
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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I will definitely share it when it's done, but I think CGL would be able to do it way better than me, for they probably have access to a text-only version ...
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Mon, 2009-12-14 11:45
TBRMInsanity TBRMInsanity's picture
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Maybe then you should send an e-mail to CGL requesting a copy of the text-only version and what you want to do, and they may be more then willing to help you out with it.
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Fri, 2009-12-18 09:11
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
Re: Core Rulebook, lightweight version
Update: the project is not complete yet, but you can grab a work-in-progress version on Github: http://github.com/jiyunatori/Eclipse-Phase-Latex/raw/master/ep.pdf For those who know LaTeX and want to give a hand, feel free to grab the source code and send some patches. http://github.com/jiyunatori/Eclipse-Phase-Latex A few things are not displaying nicely at all (the credits are damn ugly) but I will probably change that for something better one of these days. I'm wondering if the two-columns layout is usefull - I might switch to a classical full page. What do you think ? EDIT: I mailed the devs to get the text, but didn't receive an answer - that's why I'm doing it myself.
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Fri, 2009-12-18 16:14
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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update: Chapters finished : - Lack - Enter the Singularity - A time of eclipse
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Sat, 2009-12-19 06:41
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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update: Chapters finished : - Lack - Enter the Singularity - A time of eclipse - Game mechanics
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Sun, 2009-12-20 14:37
Bloodwork Bloodwork's picture
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That's really easy to read, thanks for the work.
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Tue, 2009-12-29 18:50
DelarnLeviathan DelarnLeviathan's picture
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Thanks a lot it helps when you are low on money ! I'll buy the book/pdf combo when I have the money !
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Wed, 2010-02-10 17:06
PhishStyx PhishStyx's picture
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Is there a finished pdf version of this available? Is it simply the link given above?
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Thu, 2010-02-11 03:16
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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Unfortunately, I didn't find the time to finish this. I might continue one of these days, but the process is quite a pain. I've just added to the repository the text I extracted from each page of the book. This text has to be transformed to something usable before I can incorporate it into my LateX code. If some people are interested in making it a collective effort, please tell me !
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Sat, 2010-04-10 07:36
wint-R-mute wint-R-mute's picture
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Hi, I finished the character creation chapter (apart form the example characters). Didn't get the hang of git right away and didn't want to start a fork. Here are the modified/created files: http://drop.io/eclipsephase/asset/ep-tex http://drop.io/eclipsephase/asset/5-character-creation-tex and here is the pdf of the light version so far: http://drop.io/eclipsephase/asset/ep-pdf I did the conversion but did not proof-read it yet.
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Tue, 2010-04-13 04:10
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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great ! I will integrate your changes to the main branch very soon. EDIT: Chapter 5 integrated ! Unfortunately I have no time to read it now. http://github.com/jiyunatori/Eclipse-Phase-Latex/raw/master/ep.pdf as usual, the source can be found here : http://github.com/jiyunatori/Eclipse-Phase-Latex
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Tue, 2010-04-13 14:49
Decivre Decivre's picture
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How exactly are you formatting tables? I'm interested in this project because I've been wanting to produce an epub version of the book, but if I'm to contribute I need to know exactly how I'd go about doing so.
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Wed, 2010-04-14 04:32
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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You can find a table example in the section "spend free points" (5.1.5) Basically, here is the LaTeX source code : \begin{tabular}{ccccccc} COG & COO & INT & REF & SAV & SOM & WIL \\ 20 & 15 & 15 & 20 & 10 & 15 & 10 \\ \end{tabular} the {ccccccc} parameter declares the number of columns, and the alignment for each (here, 7 centered columns). Then, your cells are separated with the "&" symbol, and your rows by the "\\" symbol You shall find a lot of LaTeX tutorials on the internet - and it's best to have a working environment so you can compile your document to see the final result. It's nice to hear from people willing to participate :)
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Wed, 2010-04-14 04:36
Decivre Decivre's picture
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Thanks for the info. Lastly, can you give me some info on whether there is a way to convert LaTeX to other formats? I know it sounds selfish, but I don't know if I want to contribute if I myself can't get a use out of it. Specifically, is there a way to convert to epub or lit format?
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Wed, 2010-04-14 04:54
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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From LaTeX, you can generate many formats. I know and use the conversion to pdf, postscript and html, but there are others. Searching "latex to epub" gave me [url=http://plastex.sourceforge.net/]this[/url]. So I guess it's possible. As a last suggestion, you can also contribute by writing stuff down in a more wiki-like syntax, namely the [url=http://johnmacfarlane.net/pandoc/README.html#pandocs-markdown-vs.standar... (extended)[/url] syntax. From that syntax, I can convert to LaTeX (or many other formats) and integrate it with the rest of the document.
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Wed, 2010-04-14 06:48
Decivre Decivre's picture
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Awesome, thanks for all the info. Admittedly, this project would be infinitely easier if we had access to the original InDesign files they used to make the book, but I suppose that isn't necessary with enough effort, eh? Well, I guess I'll start from the back since everyone else is already doing the front. I'll do chapter 12.
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Wed, 2010-04-14 08:23
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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Indeed, it would be much easier with the construction files, like they did with the quickstart rules. Unfortunately I didn't receive any answer to my request. You can do any chapter, as long as you stick to the format of the rest of the project. When you have something, post it here and I will integrate it to the main branch.
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Wed, 2010-04-14 11:33
wint-R-mute wint-R-mute's picture
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great to see this little project rolling again. I should be done with chapter 6 soon. (still haven't checked chapter 5 though.) about epub: I never used the format. But it seem to be a bundled pack of xhtml and css (+ possibly pictues...). converting latex files to html is a solved problem. so creating a pub file should be possible. (take all of this with a grain of salt please!) could you test this file, and tell us how it works, please: http://drop.io/eclipsephase/asset/eclipse-phase-chapters01-05-test-epub used the first (non-crashing) online pdf-to-epub converter I could find (http://ebook.online-convert.com/convert-to-epub) and got the file. the app I opened it with produced reasonable results. (appart from ff and fi and ffi getting screwed up. but that should be easy to fix)
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Wed, 2010-04-14 11:53
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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ah, the ff/fi/ffi problem. I recently discovered that in publication, those are replaced by special characters. It took me quite some time to extract the text from the PDF because of that. Some copy-paste techniques are simply skipping those characters, so the text was not usable unless you re-read everything and fix those nasty typos. Actually, I should clean the txt files to get rid of those special characters.
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Wed, 2010-04-14 12:46
wint-R-mute wint-R-mute's picture
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You got rid of the them! they got back in by compiling the .tex file to .pdf and then converting to .epub :P I was very happy to see, that someone else had taken care of that.
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Wed, 2010-04-14 13:04
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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new commit to the main branch: I fixed the ligatures in the txt files, and a few other characters (the quotes and the dots in lists).
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Thu, 2010-04-15 05:40
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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I've started fixing the chapter 5 - things like words split by end of lines.
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Fri, 2010-04-16 07:28
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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update: I tried to generate txt files for chapters, by merging the pages. The main problem here is that some pages are not strictly two columns, so I had to manually choose for each page between the "full" and the "processed" version. EDIT: and the chapter 5 is pretty much finished.
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Mon, 2010-04-19 06:15
standard_gravity standard_gravity's picture
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+1 rep to jiyunatori
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Sat, 2010-05-15 08:42
krank krank's picture
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jiyunatori wrote:
update: I tried to generate txt files for chapters, by merging the pages. The main problem here is that some pages are not strictly two columns, so I had to manually choose for each page between the "full" and the "processed" version. EDIT: and the chapter 5 is pretty much finished.
Haven't seen any commits for a while, so I'm thinking about offering my help. I've forked yout github repo, and I have some LaTeX proficiency. I've begun working on the Skills section, and I got a few questions: 1. Tables. Do we just include them as they are? Any preferences as to formating? 2. Basic methodology. I'm copying text directly from Adobe Reader and the Second printing PDF; the only problems here are that I get spaces after "fi" etc. The columns are selected and copied correctly. I see you're using another approach. Will this be a problem? Should I conform to your methodology, using comments to mark the text file number etc? 3. References. I'm labeling every subsection header for easy referencing via \pageref later. Is correcting all references ("see pp. XX") later part of the plan? 4. Should I just make a Pull request via Github when I got something that I think should be merged, or should I send the files to you in some other form? 5. Is it OK that I begin with the Skills chapter, or should I begin at some other chapter, later on? It'd be kind of crap if we found out we're working on the same chapter... Thoughts? EDIT: http://github.com/krank/Eclipse-Phase-Latex is where my fork is at.
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Sat, 2010-05-15 18:46
wint-R-mute wint-R-mute's picture
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skills is almost done. sorry for the long wait.
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Sat, 2010-05-15 19:08
krank krank's picture
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wint-R-mute wrote:
skills is almost done. sorry for the long wait.
No problems. Anyways... If my help is needed or even wanted, just holler. I'd love to help.
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Sat, 2010-05-15 20:41
wint-R-mute wint-R-mute's picture
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Great, krank! How about you look into Chapter 7: Action & Combat. I will try to be faster with Chapter 8: Mind Hack. Chapter 6: Skills is here: http://drop.io/eclipsephase/asset/6-skills-tex The updated book up to chapter 6 is here: http://drop.io/eclipsephase/asset/ep-pdf-2 I used the command latex2html on linux and got this as the result: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7127699/ep.html
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Sun, 2010-05-16 04:09
krank krank's picture
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wint-R-mute wrote:
Great, krank! How about you look into Chapter 7: Action & Combat. I will try to be faster with Chapter 8: Mind Hack. Chapter 6: Skills is here: http://drop.io/eclipsephase/asset/6-skills-tex The updated book up to chapter 6 is here: http://drop.io/eclipsephase/asset/ep-pdf-2 I used the command latex2html on linux and got this as the result: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7127699/ep.html
OK. So... You're not using Git then? It's a great tool for collaborative work! =) Git, subversion, I'm open to suggestion - but just passing tex's around manually seems... erh, inefficient. I know this is an effort of individuals, but I think the work would benefit from some guidelines - how we pull/push our changes so everyone can see them, "coding" style, how (and when) we deal with things such as references etc. For instance, if I were to remove all those extra newlines in all the current tex files, it'd be a pain to distribute the result... I'd be more than happy to do a lot of the heavy lifting on this project; things like removing the extra newlines for instance. If we want them to be removed. Anyways, I'll begin working on Action & Combat as soon as I can. I'll also push your chapter 6 to my Git repository.
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Sun, 2010-05-16 04:15
krank krank's picture
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I see you're watching my git repo. Nice =) If you'd like a few pointers on how to fork, pull/push etc, don't hesitate to ask.
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Sun, 2010-05-16 05:45
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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Hi. First, thanks for participating ! You are right, there hasn't been much commits recently, for I don't have much time to spend on this project. 1. Tables there are a few examples in the chapter 5, character creation (line 535). It could be nice to follow the same pattern. 2. Basic methodology Properly extracting the text from the PDF has been quite a pain. What you can find in the txt folder is cleaned out of ligature character (fi etc). But there is one big problem : it is coming from the Eclipse Phase 1.0. 3. References You are right, I was thinking of fixing the references later. But you can start adding references to the various sections, it won't hurt. 4. Merging Well, I guess you can make a merge request on github - it's something I've never tried yet, should be fun. :) 5. Starting with skill chapter If no one else is doing it already, it's perfectly fine to do the skill chapter. MAXI BONUS As I said earlier, my text extracts are coming from EP 1.0. Correcting the whole thing by hand later will be a pain ... For this reason, I've been trying to extract the text in a more clever way. Basically, "pdftohtml -i -xml" convert the pdf to an xml file with a lot of interesting information: the position of each line, and the type of font used. I'm planning on using those informations to grab the text more efficiently. But it's more complicated than I thought, so I'm not sure I'll succeed.
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Sun, 2010-05-16 06:10
krank krank's picture
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jiyunatori wrote:
Hi. First, thanks for participating !
No problems. I'm doing it out of selfinterest since I'd like to be able to split the book and hide certain aspects I don't want my players to know about from the beginning... and also, I've missed working with LaTeX. =)
jiyunatori wrote:
You are right, there hasn't been much commits recently, for I don't have much time to spend on this project.
No problem =)
jiyunatori wrote:
1. Tables there are a few examples in the chapter 5, character creation (line 535). It could be nice to follow the same pattern.
OK, agreed.
jiyunatori wrote:
2. Basic methodology Properly extracting the text from the PDF has been quite a pain. What you can find in the txt folder is cleaned out of ligature character (fi etc). But there is one big problem : it is coming from the Eclipse Phase 1.0.
Ah. Copy-pasting manually from the 2.0 PDF, using Adobe Reader, seems to fix the ligatures for some reason =)
jiyunatori wrote:
3. References You are right, I was thinking of fixing the references later. But you can start adding references to the various sections, it won't hurt.
I've added a lot of labels to things, but I think the best way would be to do a proper sweep at the end...
jiyunatori wrote:
4. Merging Well, I guess you can make a merge request on github - it's something I've never tried yet, should be fun. :)
I'll do so. I've also taken the liberty to remove all the extra newlines etc; word wrap for the first five chapters should now work as it should =)
jiyunatori wrote:
5. Starting with skill chapter If no one else is doing it already, it's perfectly fine to do the skill chapter.
Seems like wint-R-mute already did the Skills chapter. Since he isn't using Git, I'll stay away from "his" chapters for the time being. If he wants me to fix the newlines and other formatting stuff later on, I will...
jiyunatori wrote:
MAXI BONUS As I said earlier, my text extracts are coming from EP 1.0. Correcting the whole thing by hand later will be a pain ... For this reason, I've been trying to extract the text in a more clever way. Basically, "pdftohtml -i -xml" convert the pdf to an xml file with a lot of interesting information: the position of each line, and the type of font used. I'm planning on using those informations to grab the text more efficiently. But it's more complicated than I thought, so I'm not sure I'll succeed.
OK. My additions will be from the 2.0 edition. I don't thing there's any real good way to track the changes between editions; line numbers and pages as well as layout are bound to change, and the PDF format is essentially crap when it comes to text coherence.
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Sun, 2010-05-16 06:13
krank krank's picture
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Pull request sent. Like I said, I've done a bunch of changes - not added a lot of text yet, mostly just "fixing" chapters 1-5. I'll begin working on Action and Combat and perhaps The Mesh during the week.
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Sun, 2010-05-16 06:22
krank krank's picture
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Oh, another thing: LaTeX can be converted to XHTML with very little effort. EPUB is, essentially, XML/HTML. There are tools like https://www.bookglutton.com/api/convert.html which can be used to convert from html+images to EPUB. Now... I haven't tried it yet, but doesn't it look like an awesome way to go? Given, you know, that one is willing to shell out $5. I could probably hack together a tool in Python that does the same thing, for free.
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Sun, 2010-05-16 07:02
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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okay, I'm RTFMing right now to understand how the pull request works. I will integrate your work as soon as possible.
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Sun, 2010-05-16 07:06
krank krank's picture
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jiyunatori wrote:
okay, I'm RTFMing right now to understand how the pull request works. I will integrate your work as soon as possible.
Take your time =)
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Sun, 2010-05-16 07:11
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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done.
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Sun, 2010-05-16 09:05
wint-R-mute wint-R-mute's picture
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krank wrote:
I know this is an effort of individuals, but I think the work would benefit from some guidelines
That was never my impression or my idea! I just didn't get Git. So I forked kranks branch and added a couple of fixes. To me, the most important thing is to have the book in tex code. I have to admit that consistency (when it comes to the formating) is something, that is low on my priority list. For now I formated everything roughly according to jiyunatori's first chapters. Like using quotations for sidenotes in 'bubbles'. I build krank's fork. Somehow there was no index. I was really fond of that.
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Sun, 2010-05-16 09:09
wint-R-mute wint-R-mute's picture
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wow. you guys/girls/squids post fast. tried to copy from the 2nd printing out of acrobat reader on linux/ubuntu, but the ligatures are not fixed for me... Does anyone want to extract the text from the 2nd printing all over again? if not, i'll just continue with the existing text from the first.
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Sun, 2010-05-16 10:21
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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To extract the text from the pdf, you can use pdftotext, from the poppler package. [code]$> pdftotex -layout myfile.pdf[/code] Anyway, I've done it and added the file to the txt/ folder on github. Good point : it looks like there are no problems with ligatures in this file. Bad point : with the "-layout" option, you have to move around a lot of text to get rid of the two columns layout and the useless characters.
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Sun, 2010-05-16 10:25
krank krank's picture
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wint-R-mute wrote:
I build krank's fork. Somehow there was no index. I was really fond of that.
Weird. I haven't changed anything when it comes to the index. I'll look into it. In regards to consistency etc: I'm more than happy to take care of a lot of that work. My experience is that in the long run, such work pays off. On the other hand, not everyone have the patience - and [i]that's OK[/i]. I have no problems whatsoever with "boring" work like cleaning up code etc. At some point, perhaps someone should write a set of "practices"; like how to format tables or how we deal with text boxes (I've been inserting the text wherever it seemed natural...). I like that this has now become a team effort, rather than the work of a single individual. It seems fitting, given the subject matter... I hope we can all continue to focus on what we find exciting and important, and that we can continue to move forward, building on and improving eachother's work. We are individuals, after all, and as individuals we have different priorities and different workflows. I hope my edits aren't taken as an insult or anything. I'm not saying you should adopt my methods. If either of you would like me to stop formatting the code, I'll do so =)
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Sun, 2010-05-16 10:40
krank krank's picture
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jiyunatori wrote:
Anyway, I've done it and added the file to the txt/ folder on github.
Merged. Hm. I must admit I'm kind of new to get. Feels good to learn something new... Anyways, I was thinking about structure: Right now, I pull and merge from both jiyunatori and wint-R-mute... Should we have a "master fork"? Right now, I forked jiy, and wint forked me. Is this a good setup? I dunno, like I said, I'm new to this. Right now, if wint-R-mute makes a pull-request, I pull. And then I need to make my own pullrequest to jiy in order to get wint-R-mute's changes into jiy's repo... /slightly confused
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Sun, 2010-05-16 11:09
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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As for the master branch, git is a distributed versionning system - thus we should have much trouble forking and merging around. For something consistent, we can use my repository to merge the new changes on a regulat basis. Just send a pull request and I will do it ASAP.
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Sun, 2010-05-16 12:42
krank krank's picture
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jiyunatori wrote:
As for the master branch, git is a distributed versionning system - thus we should have much trouble forking and merging around. For something consistent, we can use my repository to merge the new changes on a regulat basis. Just send a pull request and I will do it ASAP.
Sounds like a good idea. It means wint-R-mute should make a new fork, directly from yours, right? And he and I work on separate forks, using you as our common point?
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Sun, 2010-05-16 18:04
wint-R-mute wint-R-mute's picture
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chapter 8 is commited. as soon as jiyunatori has pulled it, I will close the current fork and fork directly form jiyunatori. I knew why I just uploaded each .tex file one by one ;) I ended up copying it out of the pdf by hand and fixing the ligatures. The shape of the new CAT21000_EclipsePhase_2ndPrinting.txt complicates thing too much, I think. Even with extensive vim-/emacs-foo this will take much longer to whip into shape than the old version.
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Sun, 2010-05-16 18:15
AdamJury AdamJury's picture
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Just a note that the updated version of the Core Rulebook PDF and the Glory adventure PDF in the GM Screen have been updated to use Acrobat layers, so you can now choose which layers to display/hide while reading or printing, to speed things up/conserve ink.
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Sun, 2010-05-16 18:54
wint-R-mute wint-R-mute's picture
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Hey, krank! I wanted to steal jiyunatori's thunder!!! http://delicious.com/infomorph
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Mon, 2010-05-17 00:59
krank krank's picture
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wint-R-mute wrote:
Hey, krank! I wanted to steal jiyunatori's thunder!!! http://delicious.com/infomorph
Heh. Luckily, it says right there: "forked from jiyunatori/Eclipse-Phase-Latex". The thunder is still his. Or hers, whatever. [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hir#Modern_attempts_at_gender-equity_in_Eng...? The English language needs a gender neutral pronoun... =)
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Mon, 2010-05-17 04:45
jiyunatori jiyunatori's picture
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Good to know the information is spreading !
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