[i][color=orange]EDIT: Ah well, I did the math for fun, so here it is anyway. Maybe it can be of some use to someone.[/color][/i]

Kojak wrote:

9d10+10 damage at -10 AP, plus 3d10+5 damage per Action Turn for the next three turns

!!!!! I applaud your willingness to roll with a player's inventiveness. But let's take a close look at this: Fe[sub]2[/sub]O[sub]3[/sub] + 2 Al → 2 Fe + Al[sub]2[/sub]O[sub]3[/sub] + 850 kJ [url=https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111031161736AASNvNn](1)[/url] So it takes roughly 210g of thermite (110g Fe + 48g O + 52g Al) to generate 850 kJ of energy. The same amount of damage (850 kJ) can apparently be caused by a 3.5kg shell travelling at 700m/s, which can apparently penetrate steel armour of about ~40cm [url=https://fas.org/man/dod-101/navy/docs/es310/dam_crit/dam_crit.htm](2)[/url] Wow. Assuming that shredder rounds can accept a coating of half the projectile cluster's weight in liquid thermite, and that each shredder projectile cluster weighs about the same as [url=http://www.sabotdesigns.com/005.html]these[/url] shotgun flechette rounds (~14g), that would be 7g of thermite. 7g of thermite would create about 28.3 kJ, or still about the muzzle energy of a [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muzzle_energy#Typical_muzzle_energies_of_c... machinegun[/url]. In EP1 terms, that would be a shredder shot plus a railgun sniper, let's say, or (2d10 + 5 (AP -10) + (2d10 + 12, AP -15), a total of 4d10 + 17! If we distribute the rifle damage (which is a stand-in for the thermite damage) over 2 rounds to make the math simpler, we get: [b]2d10 + 5, AP-10[/b] (initial shot); then 2 Rounds @ [b]1d10 + 6, AP -15[/b] In the extreme case, if we make the shredder rounds heavier and assume they're nanofabbed to be [i]made[/i] of thermite, the damage would be equivalent to a shredder shot and 4 times the sniper's damage. Since firearms don't really scale up like that in the EP system, let's call that a Standard HEAP Missile instead, or 6d10 + 24, AP -8. If we keep the shredder's higher AP (the flechettes would be burning where the shredder put them, after all), the damage would look like: [b]4d10 + 5, AP-10[/b] (initial shot); then 2 Rounds @ [b]2d10 + 12, AP -10[/b]

Retcon that they were thermite capsule rounds? Or maybe he accidentally got a hold of some temporarily co-operative TITAN-tech rounds, and has to make a WIL x 2 check now?

It is a fine idea. Shredders are basically shotguns, and 12ga dragons breath shells are a real thing. But you're talking about an incendiary, more of a utility round or area denial kind of thing. I think it is going to lose most of its energy during flight, and the rest is going to dissipate outward away from the target instead of into it. It isn't like white phosphorous, it might not even stick. Even if it was something like WP, would that be effective against something that didn't have fleshy skin, or that could turn off its pain receptors? I think there are rules for it, but it just strikes me as something better used for committing atrocities against biomorph populations, than useful against real AF10 paramilitary targets. I think for dealing direct damage, you want something more like a HEAP shell, a discrete shaped charge. Or a penetrator.

I'm wondering, what was the cost you used per round of this "Dragon's Breath"? I made a thread recently asking about price rates for chemicals, drugs, and poisons as part of ammunition, so your feedback would be appreciated.

OK. Thanks for the answer.