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Psychosurgery in Accelerated Simulspace

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Fenrir Fenrir's picture
Psychosurgery in Accelerated Simulspace
So, the game says that psychosurgery is generally done in the virtual (calling out Jovians for their meat-based versions), so why is it that psychosurgery by default is in simulspace, but the surgeon takes a -20 to the test if that simulspace is accelerated? From inside the simulspace, there shouldn't be any way to tell the difference right? I also looked at how it mechanically played out, trying to see the effect of this seamingly pointless penalty:
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As an example, most surgeries take a week to perform (168 hrs). Assuming I have access to a full 60x, and I'm an excellent psychosurgeon (skill 90), then there's an (approx.) 99% chance I'll succeed in 117.6 hrs normal time, or 3.64 accelerated hours. That's taking into account that it takes more failures in Accelerated time to reach 99% (3 or less failures AT to 1 or less failures for RT) That penalty is kinda pointless at those speeds. Testing to see if this is due to the extreme acceleration, let's say I only get 2x speed boost: RT: still 117.6 hrs to get 99% chance of success. AT: 109.2 hrs to get to 99%. Still better to have than not. Instead, lets say I'm only pretty good at psychosurgery (Skill:60, Speed:2x): RT: Now I need a whopping 285.6 hrs to get 99% chance of success. That's almost 12 days! AT: 294 hrs to get 99%! That's still pretty close! So clearly only really good surgeons benefit from 2x. but if I can get as little as 3x... RT: 285.6 hrs (12 days) AT: 196 hrs (8ish days) It's now worth it again for a 60 skill surgeon. I bet if I reduced the skill to a skillsoft... (40,3x): RT:588 hrs (24 days, or 3.5 weeks) AT:498 hrs (21 days, or 3 weeks) ...interestingly, even with a skillsoft, 3x is still better than not. Just for Grins and Giggles: (Speed: 60, Skill:40): RT: 588 hrs (24 days, or 3.5 weeks) AT: 24 hrs (1 day) Neato.
So, if you get any acceleration above minimum, then you benefit from it, even with the penalty. If you do get minimum, then you need to be an above-average surgeon to make up the difference. But ultimately my question is about lore, though. I don't understand why an accelerated simulspace is a moderate penalty like that, when by default all psychosurgery is in a simulspace to begin with...
Trappedinwikipedia Trappedinwikipedia's picture
My understanding is that
My understanding is that psychosurgery is typically done to a time accelerated infomorph simulation from outside of the simulation. The penalty from acceleration is due to essentially trying to edit a video while it's playing in fast forward. You might be able to time accelerate the psychosurgeon as well, but I imagine that this raises its own difficulties.
Fenrir Fenrir's picture
Huh, interesting
Huh, interesting interpretation. I would have assumed the ego isn't "running" at all, let alone running at speed.
MrWigggles MrWigggles's picture
You cant do brain surgery in
You cant do brain surgery in real life with the patience asleep.
CordialUltimate2 CordialUltimate2's picture
As far as I understand
As far as I understand psychosurgery requires simulspace and the acceleration to boot. The procedure goes as follows: 1.You load the EGO. Because every transhuman ego is a neural network, which is basiacally a weighted graph (altough with 86 billion nodes). 2.You analyze the graph with software. 3.Then you make changes to the graph/ego. Many sets of changes. 4.You run every modified ego in simulspace, testing them and evaluating effects of the changes. 5.You cherry pick the best modified egos. 6.If you're satisfied with the effects, you end the procedure if not repeat the steps. As you can see the acceleration is almost mandatory. Psychotorture works the same way. You fork the poor soul and then torture every fork individually to see what works, throwing in ego modifications along the way. So psychosurgery is pretty terifying in itself on the count that you create dozens to thousands of forks and then delete them. Exhumans are only slightly more barbaric. Every merging goes along the same lines. You bash together two fork egos until something stable goes out. Because the egos being bashed together are really similiar the procedure is mcuh faster and can be somewhat automated, but its basic principle is the same as normal psychosurgery. It is one of the reasons why forking is not universally endorsed practice. Only most utilitarian and "self-ruthless" personalities can utilise it to full extent. After all EP is a horror game. It is only made worse by the fact that this future is so realistic (some aspects ego manipulation amongst them) So the mechanical penalty may be beacuse as the surgeon accelerates, they have less subjective time to test the changes. For a one week procedure if they work in 1xtime their patients/victims have 60 weeks of testing. When surgeon accelerates to 2x and the whole realtime shortens to half a week the patients got only 30 weeks of testing. I won't fully flesh out the logic hoping that you can follow it yourself. I myself would say that the -20 penalty is for purely mechanical reasons and above explanation is rationalization. MULTIPLE EDITS ABOVE.
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Fenrir Fenrir's picture
Ooh, I hadn't considered the
Ooh, I hadn't considered the "If you accelerate the surgeon, you can't accelerate the patient as much" angle! But yeah I'm fairly certain it's mechanical in nature...it keeps acceleration from being as effective, unless you've got a lot of it.
Trappedinwikipedia Trappedinwikipedia's picture
You don't need to make forks
You don't need to make forks to do psychosurgery though, it can be done with a single ego on hand. I think it's basically a case of applying patches, observing what happens, and removing them quickly if they don't work. Acceleration would make that harder as your margins for safe removal would narrow. Messing with a brain's I/O system is still fairly brutal without disposable forking though.
CordialUltimate2 CordialUltimate2's picture
You absolutely can do
You absolutely can do psychosurgery without forking or even a backup. But you better get it right the first time. Just like repairing the plane in flight.
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CordialUltimate2 CordialUltimate2's picture
You absolutely can do
You absolutely can do psychosurgery without forking or even a backup. But you better get it right the first time. Just like repairing the plane in flight.
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