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ringringlingling ringringlingling's picture
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A little confused about cortical stacks. Book says it backs you up hundreds of thousands of times per second, but only keeps one copy of your ego in cold storage. How exactly does that work? For example, how does it know when to stop backing up your ego when you are dying? How would it keep from overriding all your neurological data and erasing it when you're brain ceases to function? For that matter, how would it function when you are sleeping, or unconscious? How would it distinguish between your normal brain state and when there is neurological damage? If you went insane or became schizophrenic and somebody tried to restore you from your stack, would that instance of you also be schizophrenic? The book mentions that people also tend to get backed up at a facility every few weeks or months, depending on their insurance. I was thinking maybe the stack actually records a section of continuity, say five to thirty minutes of consciousness, along with your memories, and rebuilds a clean copy from that data, shutting down its recording function when sleeping or loading it into an "emergency" buffer when severe neurological damage is detected, such as damage to the parts of the brain which control the autonomous nervous system.
ringringlingling ringringlingling's picture
On a related note
Would it be possible for an ecto to give the equivalent of an MRI livefeed from its brain input? I was also kind of curious how ecto i/o works in regards to sensory output. Are there hardware limitations on what kind of feedback it can give? Does it override our sensory data or does it simply overlap it, as if merging two video streams? For example, could you use an ecto to make someone blind, induce phantom pains, or directly stimulate the brains pleasure center?
ScorpionOneNiner ScorpionOneNiner's picture
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1. MRI livefeed - I think MRI might require special nanos in the brain, and/or hardware addons to the ecto. But you can do life-blogging which IIRC includes all the senses. Don't remember if it includes your thoughts or just your actions. (live vs prerecorded just depends on how good is the local mesh) 2. Ecto sense limits: An ecto definitely can override sight and sound. Has to do that for things like petals and an AR that makes your coffin-sized apartment look like its in a wide-open vista, and Muzak in your head. But, this is post Fall. I expect freeware patches with the best Antivirus, and a patch adding some sort of hardwired killswitch. People are really scared of toombies nowadays. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_Upcountry So blindness etc could happen, but you have to hack the ecto first, and even then the user could get rid of the sensations in one action. 3. Stacks. In the fiction we have seen people remembering up to unconciousness (kid at the base of the space elevator with Ultimate rescuers). We've also seen "if you get Watts-Mcleod, you can only fix it by going to a pre-infection backup." To me this implies stacks record everything until the brain starts shutting down, and that the stack only holds the one copy of you, no emergency fiddly bits. That said, unintentional or icky death is why there are psychotherapists and technology to erase a section of memory. Also, if a character really worries about this, buy the "Spare" synthmorph. Easy to carry, you can send a backup from your stack to it whenever you think of it. For something like clearing out a Cthulhu space station, you can even copy to the Spare before you go in, then restore from Spare if you get out. Suddenly, you know that you attacked the station but you don't remember any freaky bits. (Memory oops. Everything I said about ectos was actually referring to a muse. Mostly not applicable to ectos)
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Trappedinwikipedia Trappedinwikipedia's picture
It's apparently 86,400 times
It's apparently 86,400 times per day on average, so once per second. Older backups are lost as they get overwritten, which is probably a bandwidth saving measure, as nanomachines can't send or receive data very quickly. (For a full overwrite you're looking at hundreds of TB at least of data). I suspect that there are safeties which stop recording if the nanos are damaged or if a massive change happens to the map (such as a bullet to the head), so you don't end up with a backup of a destroyed brain, but the rest stays. If you pick up subtle neural damage or schizophrenia on a stack, it stays, unless excised by psychosurgery before the next instancing. A slow updating stack (say once per hour) should be able to store multiple saved instances, but you'll almost certainly have some Lack when using such a stack. A good choice for the semi-paranoid. Ecto=external super smartphone with peripherals like haptic gloves and AR visors Entopic display=Computer rigged directly to the brain. For an ecto to do an MRI live feed you'd need a peripheral MRI scanner, but an entopic system could likely scrape some data from the health monitors (or feed that to an ecto, but then ento is really doing the work), you could also use a readable cortical stack, and use that as a brain-feed, but then you risk easy fork napping, so I assume this is fairly rare. An act alone can't override brain signals as it does AR with gloves and masks and such, but ento can. Hostile AR entopic takeovers can be done with AR illusions, but are easy to stop (your Muse will likely disable AR if it renders you unresponsive). A cyberbrain hack can directly influence brain centers besides sensory cortexes, and do stuff like tasping, it also can't be as easily overwritten.
ScorpionOneNiner ScorpionOneNiner's picture
So, with your references to
So, with your references to overwritten, bandwidth, slowing the update, etc. Looks like you are assuming a stack structure similar to 'store a base brain image, every second store the deltas relative to that base image, use a circular array for the deltas". Makes sense. My assumption was closer to 'stack has a brain image, directly changes the image in real time, and doesn't have capacity to store anything more'. Closer to how the image on a PC screen (or a tv) gets completely redrawn every refresh. My stack concept has much less capacity but a really fast update speed.
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DivineWrath DivineWrath's picture
I don't think bandwidth would
I don't think bandwidth would be an issue. Mesh inserts, ectos, and other forms of wireless technology can transfer a digital consciousness in one action turn. Or run one in distributed form in real time. Or run several digital consciousnesses in a swarmanoid. Eclipse Phase tech is really powerful.
Trappedinwikipedia Trappedinwikipedia's picture
None of those are nanoswarms
None of those are nanoswarms though, which should have pretty limited long range communication abilities.
MrWigggles MrWigggles's picture
The main problem with
The main problem with restoring from the stack is that the stack is a write only device.
Luckmann Luckmann's picture
Stacks
I've always found it absurd, the idea that there's only a single backup and nothing else. It's come up in a couple of threads I've read through, but most of them were old and settled, so I didn't feel it appropriate to chime in. In my mind, the only reasonable solution is that there's at least two backups, and the most-recent backup only replaces the existing backup after an integrity check. In the event of integrity errors, it parses the sections that aren't broken together, before a new copy goes into the system. The "current" scan is ongoing, and goes into a buffer before being parsed over the permanent backup, meaning that the scan itself does not have to take less than a second, but it is instead, rather, and ongoing scan where the segments scanned goes through an integrity check before being saved. So in the scenario in which you take a bullet to the head, you'll remember parts of it, insofar that undamaged sections were still alive and were being scanned when the bullet entered your brain, and they were parsed onto the final backup. However, all the wounded, unscannable or simply missing sections turn up empty, and are discarded, and an error report is filed. This may continue several minutes after clinical death, but since these scans will most likely only be returning errors, failing the integrity check, they will not be parsed onto the backup. And the cortical stack likely goes dormant soon afterwards, to prevent tampering. This leaves the reinstatiated person deeply disoriented upon resurrection in a new body, as they must deal with the last feelings of complete euphoria, utter dread, and possibly crippling pain and panic as the brain shuts down, all at once, since different sections of the brain could be upwards a couple of seconds apart in their collective experience. Imagine the situation if you only had half a brain. Because there are people that do that in real life (http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20141216-can-you-live-with-half-a-brain). However, imagine that you had a backup from before you lost half your brain, carried on living for a while, and then half your brain was restored based on that old backup, but half of that old backup was not, because that part is obviously already there, and it's a newer, version anyway, and healthy. That's the kind of parsing I'm talking about. So in my headcanon, it's not an instant backup of your entire brain at once, but a system of continuous scanning, integrity checking, and parsing - and it takes about a second for a full scan. And yeah, unless the schizophrenia (which is largely weeded out, except for flats, afaik) is the result of physical trauma or something detect-able by the system during an integrity check (which it may very well be, leading to synchronization issues and parsing errors in a cortical stack), the mental illness in question would absolutely still be there.
ScorpionOneNiner ScorpionOneNiner's picture
Nano having limited bandwidth
Nano having limited bandwidth would give an elegant answer for 'how does it know you just died'. Brain normally changes very little from second to second; if the scan has a really big change (like half of your brain suddenly going missing), limited bandwidth means it can't update the stack fast enough, so it calls you dead and stops updating. @MrWiggles Huh? Please explain. Stack is explicitly read/write. 'read from stack because body in the Fall died but stack was recovered', 'pop stack and put it in a Spare.' etc @Luckmann Fundamental question is how much capacity does a stack have since it has to be physically small vs how big is a brain scan. If the update is partial and continuous, we would see much more discussion of the confusion of 'my most recent backup was partial, so different parts of my brain are thinking about different things when I come back'. To me you would do a full scan, then write all the changes to the backup simultaneously. Mostly identical in effect, but more consistent with how I read Lack and other reincarnation bits.
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ORCACommander ORCACommander's picture
we do have a rough volume for
we do have a rough volume for the stack. A grape. In my mind specifically a concord grape :)
Tango Tango's picture
To get the most accurate
To get the most accurate replica of your ego, you would need as complete image file of the state of your brain as possible. If the process involves computing and/or different systems communicating with each other, it will "blur" this image file as you'll have your brain change in the middle of the data gathering process (since its not instant). The fundamental question about cortical stacks is, what exactly is being recorded? In my mind, no pun in tended, it's the complete atomic structure of your brain and how each atom in charged. I cannot think of any other type of data/measurement that would result in a clone of one's mind. How i see the system working: you have your stack assembly in the base of your skull. It emits a signal into the brain and records the echo which comes in through a lense and forms an image on the cortical stack. The stack would have several separate layers to catch different frequences, for a complete image of your brain. System like this would not contain anything digital; it would basically be a flashlight and a negative with your brain in the middle. As your mind changes, so does the image on the film. I think the biggest question in all of this is; How do you retain your unique mind, even with a perfect image -file, if the morph you're sleeving into has even slightly different brain structure?
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ORCACommander ORCACommander's picture
ego bridges do complete
ego bridges do complete physical rewries of the brain except if there are certain unique modules required for that morph