So the Titan section in Firewall describes the Titanian security apparatus using "zero-retention" briefings. They work to give otherwise non-cleared individuals are given drugs/cyberbrain modifications that prevent them forming long-term memories of meetings discussing classified topics.
This technology has spectacular possibilities, from minor twists to forming the backbone of major campaigns.
Presumably Titan doesn't have a monopoly on this technology. Hypercorps can have meetings with each other to discuss collaboration, without giving away proprietary secrets. Its a far more reliable way to ensure secrecy when interviewing candidates for secret or illegal jobs (like, say, Firewall). Agents can use it to have meetings with higher-ups and never be able to identify a single thing about them.
How would you use this in a campaign? What limitations come to mind?
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Zero-retention tricks
Thu, 2016-02-25 09:26
#1
Zero-retention tricks
Thu, 2016-02-25 15:03
#2
Messing with memories should
Messing with memories should be tricky so I guess I'd focus on possible complications, personal and opsec-wise:
The memories of the meeting were never formed/are gone. So are some other memories like the secret your boyfriend whispered to you the night before you had the meeting.
Several agents are suddenly showing certain psychological symptoms. Turns out they all attended a zero-retention briefing and were given a new, slightly modified drug. Who knows what they might remember.
The message proxy Zeke sent you causes an unexpected flashback to a secret meeting. Apparently she told you back then that she suspected your old server might be compromised and got you to leak to her classified information about said servers personnel. (This might be part of a loyalty test).
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Thu, 2016-02-25 16:22
#3
You know there's an
You know there's an augmentation that does this, right? No drugs necessary. It's even simpler for infomorphs/cyberbrains; just turn off write functions.
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Thu, 2016-02-25 17:05
#4
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:You
Which augmentation are you referring to, exactly?
Transhuman argues that Infomorph memory isn't just read/write and Firewall establishes quite clearly that the Titanians use Grey Ranks for their "zeroed briefings".
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Thu, 2016-02-25 18:41
#5
It's called Memory Lock, and
It's called Memory Lock, and it was in since, I believe, Core.
[b]Memory Lock:[/b] This implant, when activated, prevents information from being stored in the subject’s long-term memory or from being recorded via lifelog, mnemonic augmentation, or other sensory link. It also temporarily blocks up-to-the second cortical stack backups. The individual will retain short-term memories, but for no more than a few minutes. This implant is usually a requirement for personal aides, consultants, and other underlings of powerful people. The implants can be remotely activated by the superior during confidential meetings or other secret affairs to ensure privacy and deniability. This implant is also a popular option among some personal couriers who intentionally retain no memories of the party that hired them in case they are intercepted. [b][Low][/b]
All that's needed is to install it such that another party has remote control of the "aug," and bob's your uncle.
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Thu, 2016-02-25 19:29
#6
Thanks, that is one powerful
Thanks, that is one powerful little implant.
Maybe the Titanians don't trust the technology and therefore favour drugs/narcoalgorithms. Or they're using both.
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Thu, 2016-02-25 19:32
#7
Alright, while methods of
Alright, while methods of manipulation aren't the focus of the thread ("How would you use this in a campaign? What limitations come to mind?" - OP) I'm going to go ahead and toss down every method I know of in the books to set up options for people to discuss the main topic of the thread:
Memory Editing Psychosurgery (EP. 231): Long duration (Lowered by simulspace and timeframe reduction), stress damage, and potential for affecting additional memories.
Memory Lock Cyberware/Software Plug-In (PO. 149): Suppresses long term memory and blocks other methods of recording such as lifelogging software and mnemonic augmentations, other sensory links, and up to the second cortical stacks. Possibility for remote activation. Source for software plug-in is on TH. 141 "Additional Upgrades" sidebar.
Grey Ranks drug (Oral and Narcoalgorithm) (FW. 175): Long term memory suppression that doesn't affect other devices or mental faculties.
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Personally I've considered the possibility of using this to avoid some stress accumulation, though I guess it's kind of an off-label use. Essentially my thinking is that if long term memory is blocked, traditional methods of stress accumulation might be blocked. Others methods, such as Psi slights or cyberbrain hacking Scorchers would get around it, but it could at least keep you from remembering your friend getting pulled apart by a disassembler nanoswarm.
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Thu, 2016-02-25 20:40
#8
Well fork me sideways
I'm going to assume that the purpose of these breifings is to transfer information from multiple sources to a select person or group, without the sources getting their hands on each other's pieces (so that only one person/group, the breifee, actually ends up with the whole puzzle).
The simplest approach would be to fork the sources, carry out the breifing, then terminate the forks. Poof, only the people you choose not to terminate will remember the breifing. Informing the sources that this will be the SOP ahead of time is optional.
Alternatively, you could just kill everyone at the end of the breifing and restore them from a backup prior to the breifing taking place. Tell them they had an accident but you took care of them.
No psychosurgery or implants required, just a little forknapping or a good cover story and a captive audience.
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Thu, 2016-02-25 22:29
#9
problem is chase, any lack
problem is chase, any lack without forewarning is a cause for stress, granted this stress may be lesser than eldritch horrors whose idea of a good time was to rewire your brain through your ears
Thu, 2016-02-25 22:48
#10
Oh for sure. It's certainly
Oh for sure. It's certainly not one of my strongest theories about how to work things, but it's just an idea I had. For example a character that either suffers or has suffered from combat related PTSD and is so against reliving that type of experience that they by default pop Grey Ranks (Or something similar) and leave the "brains" of the operations to handle the debriefings and other after-action reports. The gaps in memory could be disconcerting, but probably similar to a continuity test and eventually the Hardened trait could possibly even apply.
I think the biggest flaw in this kind of an approach is it becomes hard to justify learning new skills or honing old ones when you have no memories of using those skills in a real scenario. Training and simulspace simulations are possible workarounds, but nothing beats the real thing.
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Fri, 2016-02-26 08:24
#11
A terrible thing to waste
A general rule in EP, at least the way I read it, is "if you don't remember it, you don't get RES for it."
In terms if character growth, I would expect popping a memory-blocking pill would be functionally equivalent to dying and being restored to the point where you popped the pill.
However, since the character is aware they administered the pill to themselves, you might be able to argue that it would be less stressful (but not stress-free, screwing with memories rarely is) because they're expecting the gap. If their most recent backup is from around the same time that stress reduction would even apply if they died while under the influence of the pill, because from their point of view there is no difference in the experience: they popped (or planned to pop) the pill, and remember nothing until they woke up in the body bank, hopefully after a planned farcast at the end of the mission.
So you'd be hamstringing your ability to gain RES, but if you anticipate a high probability of severe mental damage or you're expecting to die without stack recovery anyway it could be a viable form of stress-management. The question you have to ask yourself is: is the chance of higher stress from a backup sleeve worth the chance to actually gain some RES points if you, or at least your stack, manage to get back in one piece? Your mileage may vary.
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Fri, 2016-02-26 09:30
#12
There is also a question of
There is also a question of How great of a duration short term memory has? a few days a few hours? all these treatments are designed around long term memory formation as short term is needed for tactical analysis and short term plans and goals. but what if your short term memory doesn't clear very often. How would you cope with brief flashes of events you can not completely recall? especially when they may be lacking all context.
Fri, 2016-02-26 10:11
#13
Maybe you could even develop
Maybe you could even develop mental techniques based on short term memory rehersal to get around the effects of those treatments. To remember something just long enough to record it after a meeting.
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Fri, 2016-02-26 10:19
#14
That implant being installed
That implant being installed into every politician would not be cost effective, and having the implant would immediately clue you in to tampering with your memory. The Gray Ranks drug is useful because it requires no nanosurgery and leaves no discernable trace afterwards, it is just a temporary blackout as it were, without the loss of inhibitions and personality twerks that come with excessive chem use. Show up to meeting, take drug, wait for effect, learn facts, create legal documents detailing plan based on facts, then leave and no remember the secret facts. It is a clean and tidy, if disturbing, way to handle State Secrets in a ridiculously open society.
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Fri, 2016-02-26 13:37
#15
uwtartarus - it's a [Low]
uwtartarus - it's a [Low] cost implant.
You know what's a [Moderate] cost implant? A Cortical Stack. And they give one of those to everyone, for free.
You know what else is a [Moderate] cost? A dose of Grey Ranks.
It [b]literally[/b] costs more - like, [u]four times as much[/u], to administer Grey Ranks to someone [u]once[/u], than it does to install a Memory Block augmentation in them that will work for as long as they're a Titanian politician. Additionally, it's not like these politicians are going to be [u]unaware[/u] of the fact that they participate in zero-retention briefings. Because think about what happens then -
The @-block elects a dude to parliament.
@-block dude shows up to do his civic duty. Gets called into a zero-retention briefing. Is given a pill and told to pop it. Asks what it is, is told that it prevents him from remembering this. @-block dude says "no fuck that, I'm leaving and I'm telling everyone that you're doing this."
You now have to either have something massively whistle-blown, or assassinate one of your own politicians.
The far more likely scenario is that politicians - and the Titanian public in general - know [u]about[/u] "zero-retention briefings," so they can be sure that, in fact, their duly-elected officials [u]are[/u] the ones making the calls, it's just that they don't remember what they learned at those briefings.
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Fri, 2016-02-26 15:44
#16
So you're saying that it
So you're saying that it would be a better use of their time to have every morph sleeved by a Titanian politician to have the implant?
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Fri, 2016-02-26 16:10
#17
Keep in mind that
Keep in mind that administering the drug is guaranteed. People are kind of on their honor to activate a memory blocking implant of their own.
Fri, 2016-02-26 19:05
#18
uwtartarus wrote:So you're
Memory Block Aug:
Costs 1/4th the cost of a [u]single[/u] dose of Grey Ranks.
Can be used an indefinite number of times.
Yes. I am saying that. If you have a politician attend [u]two[/u] zero-retention briefings and use Grey Ranks, you've spent [i]eight times as much[/i] as you would have if you'd just installed the memory lock in the first place.
How many such briefings do you expect to go through? Frankly, with the business of government being what it is, I would not be surprised if a politician could be called upon to attend four in one [i]day[/i].
Um... No, they're not. You absolutely can install a memory blocker such that it can be triggered remotely, or even by hardwired access only through a datajack you install. You could install it such that it could be triggered only when a certain chemical is ingested, or a certain type of nanite (which the pol's anti-nanowar nanites have been programmed to ignore,) is present in their bloodstream. You could even hook it to their visual cortex and turn it into a built-in basilisk hack, triggering it by flashing a certain pattern of lights at them, or showing them a QR code or something.
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Fri, 2016-02-26 22:25
#19
Titanians aren't paying for
Titanians aren't paying for access to the Grey Ranks drug, since they're not in the habit of using currency at all.
A memory lock implant seems like something that can be exploited, and the obvious question of "who gets to decide what is blocked and what isn't" is an issue with the implant, in the sense of asking who pulls the plug to make you not retain it?
Grey Ranks seems like it solves that issue, because the effect is limited to the drug that they all willingly imbibe. The process of the chemical can't be subverted the way an implant can.
I would imagine the Titanian Government probably doesn't hide the existence of zero-retention briefings? It seems like the kind of thing the Plurality's majority may have agreed to be a necessary act by the state to protect its security while also still engaging in their democratic process.
I'm sure some people are very opposed to it, but I bet it's a cultural norm that people are willing to make that sacrifice. Another means of antagonism between the Titanians and more laissez-faire Autonomists.