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What of the Ex-Ultimates?

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ReijiTabibito ReijiTabibito's picture
What of the Ex-Ultimates?
Maybe I just haven't read the books enough, but it does sound like the Ultimates are a pretty exclusive club, with some pretty damn strong ideas that not everyone can stomach. So what happens to the folks that say: "Screw you guys, I'm going home"? What becomes of ex-Ultimates? Where do they go, what do they do? Input is welcome, of course. (To be transparent b/c I'm an Argonaut, I'm writing up a couple of ex-Ultimate characters for a story and I want to know more about them so I can make them RIGHT.)
ShadowDragon8685 ShadowDragon8685's picture
Depends on the characters,
Depends on the characters, really. It's mentioned that a lot of ex-Ultimates wind up going Extropian, because they were more in it for the ruthless self-promotion than the overhumanism. So... First, figure out why your character/NPC in question was attracted to/joined the Ultimates. This could be something like he had held out against hell in a situation where eventually the Ultimates were the relief force, and they were so impressed by this fucker's tenacity they took him home with him. Maybe she was scarred up by the Fall, and wanted to get tough and hard so she wouldn't be hurt up like that again. Maybe they were a family member or a friend of someone who became an Ultimate, and their Ultimate connection bought them out of cold storage/indenture and brought them to Xiphos thinking [i]of course[/i] my old buddy/son/whatever will be into this just like I am. You could have folks who were military survivors from the Fall; I imagine, say, an ex-SAS chap looking at his options and deciding (perhaps wrongly,) that the Ultimates are less warcrimes-tastic than Direct Action and Gorgon Defense Systems are too into civic security and sales for a bloke like them, and signing up with the Ultimates looking for a merc outfit, only to find terrifying fascists instead. Either way, figure out the reason they went to the Ultimates over the other options, and the reason why they decided to leave, and this will lead you to where they went after they parted ways with the Ultimates. If they were someone who was primarily motivated by personal or financial gain, and the "fuck everybody else's rules" aspects, and was less-than-thrilled with the overhumanism or the martial prowess aspects, they would probably wind up on some Extropian habitat or another. They might also wind up with one of the Sunward crime syndicates, like the LLA or the Triads. If they were an ex-military person looking for a place for an ex-military person to fit in, first answer the question: why didn't they go to Jupiter? Then answer: Why didn't they go to Titan? Then answer: Why didn't they join Direct Action? And now ask yourself, which of those is most appealing now that they've seen the true face of the Ultimates and found it not to their liking? If they're craving Americana (North or South) more than anything else, they'll probably head to Jupiter, but if they're looking for a place where they can feel like their skills are being put to genuinely good use in defense of their country, they'll probably head to Titan. If they just found the Ultimates to be insufficiently mercenary and to have too many esoteric and/or power-hungry agendas, they'll probably join Direct Action, or maybe try to found their own mercenary group. If they were something else, well... You still have the method, now: start with who they were, add in why they choose the Ultimates (assuming the choice was theirs, and wasn't a "no shit" choice like "go with the Ultimates or die when they pull out," or "my uncle just bought me out of slavery, I should probably try out this Ultimate lifestyle thing he wants me to look into,") season with [i]why[/i] they became disillusioned with the Ultimates, and from there, extrapolating their next move should be simple.
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uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
Cool breakdown of why they
Cool breakdown of why they would join and leave. But what happens to them? Do the Ultimates allow folks to just leave? I too am curious now, since the Ultimate v. Titanian cold war angle is too interesting to me, and relevant to my (currently hiatus) Saturn campaign.
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ShadowDragon8685 ShadowDragon8685's picture
Well, the book mentions that
Well, the book mentions that a lot of ex-Ultimates who were more in it for ruthless self-enrichment wind up on Extropia, so apparently, they do allow people to just leave. I imagine things might be different if you've voiced in advance your intention to publicly denounce the Ultimates, or to whistleblow some of their heinous activities, or if you had access to Big Secrets they Do Not Want Shared. It might also be smart to pull a blind on them WRT exactly where you're going and what your reasons for leaving. If you want to go to the Titanian Commonwealth, for example, you should probably first egocast to iZulu - nothing at all strange about an ex-Ultimate merc going to Space Africa to do some merc work for Space African Techno-Warlords, but hey, turns out it's a short shuttle ride, and an even shorter radio transmission, from iZulu to Titan.
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Trappedinwikipedia Trappedinwikipedia's picture
The Ultimates have a pretty
The Ultimates have a pretty strong individualist streak, leaving them for personal reasons shouldn't be a problem in most situations. I could see it being hard for very high-level ultimates though, as they might have information the Ultimates would want to keep secret. I could see memory removal being mandatory for someone who could compromise the security of Xiphos or similar.
Noble Pigeon Noble Pigeon's picture
Now the question is: what
Now the question is: what motives would an Ultimate have with being working for Firewall as a Sentinel?
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Kojak Kojak's picture
Noble Pigeon wrote:Now the
Noble Pigeon wrote:
Now the question is: what motives would an Ultimate have with being working for Firewall as a Sentinel?
Defeating X-risks to humanity, especially TITAN-related ones, is kind of the ultimate test of your mettle (yes, pun intended). That seems like as good a reason as any. That being said, I suspect it will be much more attractive to Ultimates of the Iconic faction; Overhumanists will probably be rare outside of erasure squads.
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consumerdestroyer consumerdestroyer's picture
It also might be a question
It also might be a question of strategy. Any ultimate aware of both Firewall and Project Ozma (as any sentinel inevitably will be and no doubt ditto for their Ozma counterparts) could grokk the issue as affecting "all of transhumanity" (as the genetrash say), which is to say, in overhuman, that "the ultimates are just as affected as the cesspool of inclusive weakness Firewall tries to shoehorn us into", and no doubt some see weakness in the strategies and capabilities of Firewall and go to Ozma, and vice versa. I'm fully willing to bet that many, upon realizing the truth of it all, opt out of Firewall and Ozma and try to engage the ultimate leadership on the issue, or to go isolate themselves and perfect only themselves so they don't have to worry about the ultimates as a whole going down in a second apocalypse and can just focus on surviving TITANs or the ETI or w/e on their own. I don't know how many would make it to ultimate status with that bad a mind for tactics and strategy tho, so I imagine they pick a side and stick with it for their own reasons, some of which are micro reasons like surviving what the universe throws at them personally and some of which are macro like ensuring inevitable ultimate dominance is not some embarrassing Ozymandian affair where the monument to their strength is so much data in a TITAN archive.
Panoptic Panoptic's picture
And how would you know for
And how would you know for sure that they're an "ex" Ultimate? Someone could profess to be out or done with the Ultimate faction, but be acting as part of a larger plot. Maybe they have psychosurgery-implanted directives ala The Manchurian Candidate, depending on your take on the Ultimates.
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ShadowDragon8685 ShadowDragon8685's picture
Panoptic wrote:And how would
Panoptic wrote:
And how would you know for sure that they're an "ex" Ultimate? Someone could profess to be out or done with the Ultimate faction, but be acting as part of a larger plot. Maybe they have psychosurgery-implanted directives ala The Manchurian Candidate, depending on your take on the Ultimates.
If you're Firewall, Ozma, or the Titanian Commonwealth's spooky police, you probably take a fork or 30, stick 'em in a simulspace server, and run them through years and years of permutations of events whilst throwing all kinds of imaginable random and psuedorandom trigger stimuli at them, to see what, if anything, triggers a major shift in behavior/cognitive pattern.
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Archon79 Archon79's picture
that's if you are being nice
Don't forget the virtual hammer, pipes and blow torch approach
Panoptic Panoptic's picture
It would be logical for those
It would be logical for those groups to do what they can to ascertain an ex-Ultimate's loyalty. It would also be logical for an "Ultimate conspiracy" to plan against those methods. I suspect triggers that are unknowable to outsiders. Think "What is the colour of the boathouse at Hereford?" from the film Ronin:
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Spence: We got shooters here and here. I tell you an old trick. Sam: Hey... [rubs the board] Spence: What's your problem? Sam: Draw again. Draw it again. You're the ace field man. Draw it again. It's a simple diagram. Just draw it again. Draw what you saw. Draw it again! Draw it again! Sam: [Spence remains silent. Sam takes the marker and draws on the board] Two shooters. Car comes through here. Shooters across each other. Kill each other dead. Oh my, where'd you learn that? Spence: In the regiment. Sam: What regiment was that? Spence: The 22nd Special Air Service. Sam: What's the color of the boathouse at Hereford? [repeats] Spence: I don't like your attitude! Sam: What's the color of the boathouse -... Spence: Fuck off! Sam: What's - -you got the gun. I'm unarmed. Do something. Go ahead. Do something. DO SOMETHING. [Spence spills the coffee cup and Sam subdues him] Sam: Tell me about an ambush. I ambushed you with a cup of coffee!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0122690/quotes?item=qt0248378
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SquireNed SquireNed's picture
Keep in mind that the
Keep in mind that the Ultimates exist sort of on two fronts: as a philosophical movement and as a political/corporate (in the "gathering", not capitalist sense) movement. Ultimates don't have to be part of the "Ultimate" organization to hold the philosophy, and they're no less true to the ideals if they eschew formal membership in the organization: indeed, that's almost encouraged by the philosophy. Likewise, membership itself is weird. I don't picture the Ultimates being totalitarian: they have a very clear system of authority and hierarchy, but entry is based on adherence to their ideals and philosophy. Leaving the Ultimates is likely relatively easy. Surrendering any important equipment or secrets to the organization and walking out the front door is really all it takes. Now, that said, there are certainly high loyalty requirements to get up; any high-ranking Ultimate has been promoted likely because they are deemed unlikely to leave the organization. That's not to say that people necessarily have to be particularly devoted Ultimates either: my IC character is a card-carrying Ultimate who has forked across the solar system, and I'd imagine that the Ultimates don't mind because A) they have access to the forks that do what they want and B) the character's forks don't do anything that opposes the Ultimates' goals. EDIT: One piece of inspiration I take this from is the comment on Firewall and the Ultimates. Ultimate members of Firewall tend to be highly professional and support the organization well, doing what needs to be done and, to Firewall's knowledge, not betraying the agency. On the other hand, Firewall hasn't managed to infiltrate the Ultimates. The Ultimates clearly are willing to join other organizations: only a few Ultimates spend 100% of their time in Ultimate-owned habitats and working for Ultimate-specific causes.
DeMalaise DeMalaise's picture
Noble Pigeon wrote:Now the
Noble Pigeon wrote:
Now the question is: what motives would an Ultimate have with being working for Firewall as a Sentinel?
A deed might be an intresting twist.