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More info on Hulder
Does anyone have anything more on the Hulder beyond what Rimward briefly mentions? Like their native language(s), though I assume they speak Skandinavíska since they participate in the All-Thing political stuff. Do they come from a particular ethnic background (like how there are all the "Bioconservatives of the Soul" in that French-Canadian settlement)? Etc. Mostly, if I can't think of anything better, I am naming all the Hulder NPCs after Midwest/Utah/LDS/Witness type names like Leann, Levi, Joseph, and Mary. Just curious if anyone else has thought about or written about the Hulder.
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uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
All I can find is:
In the section of the Titanian Commonwealth, sociopolitical movements:
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Hulder It might come as a surprise that anyone could live as a nomad on Titan, but there are stranger things in the solar system. The hulder do, though, ranging the dunes and gritty plains of the Titanian wilds, prospecting for exotic chemicals, and keeping herds of Titanian caribou. Their morphs are biological on the inside, derived from homo neanderthalensis, but from without they resemble a long-legged, barrel-chested great auk in a hard suit. They’re easily mistaken for synths. Their sure-footed caribou, similarly armored, dwell in an AR hallucination of Earth’s tundra, their instinct to graze on grasses and lichens translated by chemical sniffers into a continual hunt for carbonaceous compounds, which fractal fingers and intakes in their exterior muzzles then harvest. The hulder themselves partake in this illusion only when resting from their labors. The rest of their time is spent watching over the herd, building windbreaks, making complex ice carvings that are prized by art collectors, and doing knowledge work via their mesh inserts. The hulder, though physically reclusive, participate actively in the Plurality and operate several microcorps. Not surprisingly, they’re fierce preservationists. Hulder and caribou physiology is highly complex and relies heavily on nanotech. The herd and their transhuman companions depend upon each other; periodic link-ups to communal chemical reservoirs and makers are needed to balance out individuals’ chemical reserves. This system is not 100% self-sufficient, requiring roughly annual visits to nearby settlements to replenish a herd’s chemical reserves. The hulder, while not inimical to other transhumans like the exhumans, should probably be watched more carefully than Firewall has the resources to do at present. Their extreme reliance on nanotech and their physical isolation make them ideal hosts for the exovirus. A hulder exsurgent with a herd of caribou could accomplish some terrifying feats of organic engineering with little danger of being observed.
Plus their settlement of Huvudskär:
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The hulder maintain this small methane/ethane processing station on the shore of Kraken Mare in the far north. Although the station has few permanent residents, hulder from all around the region regularly come and go from it. Ethnographers hoping to study hulder culture in less extreme surroundings than the open wild often come here.
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"Do they come from a
"Do they come from a particular ethnic background?" I don't think it says anywhere canonically, but perhaps reindeer herding survived up until the Fall? So, e.g., they could be Sami. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reindeer#Reindeer_husbandry Maybe, if reindeer herding was still a viable way of life up until the Fall, there are other people who come from herding backgrounds (whether cowboys from the US, or shepherds from New Zealand, or goatherds from the Middle East). (I know very little about herding IRL, much less how it would be done on pre-Fall Earth).
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So maybe some of them will
So maybe some of them will have Swedish, Norwegian, and Finnish languages and names? If anything, "rugged, [strike]socially[/strike] isolated person dwelling in the wilderness while prospecting for exotic materials and/or herding livestock" sounds like an American archetype--the Old West. Probably they aren't dominated by any particular ethnic group, but attract all sorts of backgrounds who just find the Titanian outback appealing. [b]edit[/b]: oh, okay, they are on the mesh a lot, so *not* socially isolated
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boomzilla wrote:"Do they come
boomzilla wrote:
"Do they come from a particular ethnic background?" I don't think it says anywhere canonically, but perhaps reindeer herding survived up until the Fall? So, e.g., they could be Sami. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reindeer#Reindeer_husbandry
They could be Sami even if reindeer herding didn't survive. (The Hulder are basically Space-Sami, complete with Space-Reindeer herding, which makes certain probably innocent design choices regarding them somewhat racist to a Norwegian eye...)
boomzilla wrote:
(I know very little about herding IRL, much less how it would be done on pre-Fall Earth).
Among other things, reindeer herding is done with helicopters and motorcycles. The helicopters are very good at swooping down over errant reindeer and convincing them that they should run back to the herd.
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Kommando Kommando's picture
Proxy Jørgenson
In my game I have a Hulder proxy named Jørgenson, so I'm treating at least him like a Scandinavian / Norwegian affiliation.
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boomzilla wrote:"Do they come
boomzilla wrote:
"Do they come from a particular ethnic background?" I don't think it says anywhere canonically, but perhaps reindeer herding survived up until the Fall? So, e.g., they could be Sami. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reindeer#Reindeer_husbandry Maybe, if reindeer herding was still a viable way of life up until the Fall, there are other people who come from herding backgrounds (whether cowboys from the US, or shepherds from New Zealand, or goatherds from the Middle East). (I know very little about herding IRL, much less how it would be done on pre-Fall Earth).
No canonical ethnicity, but I was definitely thinking about the Sami when I wrote them. (Sami would probably not name themselves "hulder," though). Another really neat possibility, which I didn't discover until well after the book was out, are the Dukha of Mongolia. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/11/photogalleries/reindeer_...
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Also, if, like me, you're a
Also, if, like me, you're a bit caribou-obsessed, Karsten Heuer's [i]Being Caribou[/i] and the accompanying film by his wife, Leanne Allison, are some amazing Canadian eco-non-fiction in the tradition of Farley Mowat.
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I wonder...
I wonder... Can you ride a Caribou?
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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:I
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
I wonder... Can you ride a Caribou?
Yes. Check out the link about the Dukha above.
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jackgraham wrote
jackgraham wrote:
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
I wonder... Can you ride a Caribou?
Yes. Check out the link about the Dukha above.
Sorry, I meant the Titanian version. But if you can ride one on Earth, I expect you can ride one on Titan, sooo...
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With 1.3 m/s^2 of gravity on
With 1.3 m/s^2 of gravity on Titan, I'd imagine that practically everything willing is ride-able. Titanian Caribou also seem pretty bulked up from the one picture we have, so I'd bet they can. They probably have a really strange gait by earth standards though.
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a few points and a hook...
For herding, since the caribou are in a VR sim of Earth, the Hulder could insert anything they want into it to guide the herd . While hardly authoritative, the Disney film Frozen has a scene of the Sami character riding his reindeer to the rescue, good for reference. Maybe they've engineered a larger breed for riding purposes.
jackgraham wrote:
Also, if, like me, you're a bit caribou-obsessed,
Be careful saying stuff like that, or that's all anybody will get you for Xmas and birthday presents! And the hook.... So the Hulder are fierce preservationists which is understandable when you live off the land as they do. I imagine there's quite a bit of tension between them and whoever is flying around with the Ariel morph. Particularly after they released the rabbit-like critters to feed off of. That's a huge issue really, because they have NO other predators and presumably breed quickly to provide an ample supply for the Ariels. You'd have an ecological catastrophe in the making right there!
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jackgraham wrote:Also, if,
jackgraham wrote:
Also, if, like me, you're a bit caribou-obsessed, Karsten Heuer's [i]Being Caribou[/i] and the accompanying film by his wife, Leanne Allison, are some amazing Canadian eco-non-fiction in the tradition of Farley Mowat.
If you're referring to Never Cry Wolf, that's not exactly non-fiction.
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jackgraham wrote:Also, if,
jackgraham wrote:
Also, if, like me, you're a bit caribou-obsessed
I don't know why that statement is so funny to me, but it is--I totally just LOLed. :D edit: I think ungulates are just inherently funny somehow. [url=http://imgur.com/bRYkQ]Goats[/url] always get to me.
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TheGrue wrote:jackgraham
TheGrue wrote:
jackgraham wrote:
Also, if, like me, you're a bit caribou-obsessed, Karsten Heuer's [i]Being Caribou[/i] and the accompanying film by his wife, Leanne Allison, are some amazing Canadian eco-non-fiction in the tradition of Farley Mowat.
If you're referring to Never Cry Wolf, that's not exactly non-fiction.
Yeah, I mention Mowat because he inspired them. I think they're not as loose with their facts as their hero, though.
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Maybe I missed something in the book
Side note; what do the Hulder… [i]produce[/i]? Would actually eating the caribou and rabbits be like, offensive to non-Ariel Titanians? Are these beings adapted to an alien world even edible to standard homo sapiens biomorphs? Is this more of a "producing culture" thing, where they exist solely to preserve some European history in a very abstract way? I ask not to ruin anyone's fun, but because I want to find immersion. @-rep societies only work when everyone has a clear role. What are the Hulder's roles?
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Hulder industry
thebluespectre wrote:
Side note; what do the Hulder… [i]produce[/i]?
On the materials front, the neo-caribou find complex hydrocarbons via their "grazing" behaviour, which I imagine is sold to Titan's active biotech industry. While its true you could strip-mine the carbon dune landscape to get the chemicals more efficiently, I feel its likely that the liberal population of Titan might have strong feelings about that. Consider the Kroner benefits to a microcorp if they only use sustainably-farmed hydrocarbons! As the Hulder spend a lot of time walking in the wilderness, they have time to run more detailed scans, and could sell/trade the locations of any sort of mineral deposits they find. I doubt any morph with human-standard biochemistry could eat a caribou; from their description they appear to be more like synths imitating organic structures, so pods at best. That doesn't mean their remains couldn't be used like current animal products. Outdated or damaged caribou could be scrapped into artwork. (Personally, I imagine Titanian Caribou looking a lot like the work of Yong Ho Ji anyway: Yong Ho Ji sculptures
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You could easily ask what
You could easily ask what marginal and subsistence people "produce" in an economic sense in the present day. Place an emphasis on "subsistence" when thinking about these groups. They produce what they need to live and maybe some art or trade goods that they can sell. They don't really have excess production capacity like agricultural and industrial societies. They exist at the margin of more complex economies, neither producing much of value to those economies or needing much from them. It sounds like the individual hulder/herd groups are largely self sufficient and only need to come in to get complex finished goods at very long intervals. They could probably get a lot of what they need from settled Titanian society simply telling people stories of life out in the wild. People would naturally be curious to hear about such a strange, exotic way of life and the goods the Hulder need would likely not be terribly expensive for the settled people.
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