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Saturn System Campaign (Non-Firewall)

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uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
Saturn System Campaign (Non-Firewall)
I am planning to run some Non-Firewall scenarios in the Saturn system, and while the book has a wealth of hooks, I figured I would plumb the forums ([i]fora[/i]?) for additional ideas. Without creating threadomancy, I am going to adapt the "Vectors cult/conspiracy" for instance (link:http://eclipsephase.com/vectors), though I need to figure out the exact privacy situation in the Commonwealth for how they can hide themselves. Possible tie them to the R&D group in the CID. Anyone else got Saturn-based hooks or material you wouldn't mind sharing?
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Lazarus Lazarus's picture
Funny
That's funny. I just recently started up a non-Firewall EP game based around Saturn. At present it is taking advantage of the fact that the first Pandora gate was located in the Saturn system and so the group is doing a gatecrash but my ultimate vision isn't for this to be a gatecrashing campaign, per se. With the Saturn system you've got Titan, which all by itself takes up 10% of the Rimward book. Titan Autonomous University alone should provide more than ample grounds for a campaign (that's the focus my campaign is using). Something like 20% of the population of University City are student and while we don't know the exact population of UC we can extrapolate. It is one of three domes of Aarhus which has a population of five million and there's nothing indicating that its population is particularly large or small. 1/3 of 5 million is 1.66 million, 20% of that is 333,000 people. Even knocking that down to deal with UC possibly having a smaller population than the other domes but not one so small as to deserve special mention and you are looking at around a quarter of a million people. That's more than enough people to get into all sorts of trouble. In a lot of ways the Saturn system is sort of the transitional point between the inner and outer systems. While technically the transition point is the asteroid belt its decentralized nature combined with Jupiter's semi-isolationist policies makes Saturn sort of the sociopolitical gateway between the inner and outer systems. I would imagine that there's a fair amount of espionage being conducted by hypercorp agents keen on taking advantage of aspects of Saturn's open society so that they can try and swipe new designs while at the same time trying to sway Saturn political perspectives to bring them back more in line with the Consortium and its laws (Titanians still actually use money for some things. They haven't gone to a fully reputation based society).
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uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
The Firewall book's section
The Firewall book's section on the Titanians mentions the cold war brewing between the Ultimates and the Titans, so my plan was to have the players end up being anonymous cut-outs for some spook, the typical "troubleshooters" or adventuring murder-hobos that most folks tend to play. Firewall's stakes are too big and most folks are disinterested in hard spy OpSec, my regular campaign has players that are a whirlwind of opsec failures and huge red flags. Explaining Titan to new players may be overwhelming, so starting off in Phelan's Recourse might prove less disastrous, though the Scum are pretty insane! Running without "Firewall says play nice together!" as a campaign model, how have you found ways to unite a group?
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SquireNed SquireNed's picture
I cheat when uniting my
I cheat when uniting my groups. For instance, right now my group technically has nothing holding them together, but they were all at one time employed indirectly by the PC, who blacklisted them after a series of incompetent actions got taken for malice. Since they now face the constant threat of violence from the PC, they've sort of cohered together, though they're no longer in direct danger, as the most axe-crazy of the PC guys has been told to restrain himself.
MrWigggles MrWigggles's picture
My group is currently around
My group is currently around Saturn as well, and even though I plan to have the gorup inducted into Firewall, they're currently all on a ship, the Chaos Incognito. They needed a ship, and the ship has an odd history of acquiring a diverse group of folks. They're currently working together, as the ship has a pretty good rep score and is giving them jobs... it also sometime just travels on its own accord. They're currently on Kronos.
uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
Kronos and the crazy
Kronos and the crazy situation there is one of the places I intend to send the characters, since it seems like it ought to be a crazy mess, plus its the frontlines of this shadow war between Ultimates and CID/Fleet.
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uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
Some rough ideas
I have four loosely designed (at this point) episodes for this campaign, any potential players (e.g. Sandras Prime, or heretofore unknown Everett/Lynnwood/North-of-Seattle folks) should avoid these spoilers. Episode 1: hired together via anonymized simulspace, the team is to check on a vault of secrets that might have been compromised. The vault is hidden inside a piece of rice in the rings of Saturn.
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While initially it appears as everything is still in place, the defenses/sensors just strangely gone silent/stopped reporting, it turns out the inventory logs had been hacked and that a thief came in via smart-swarm variant of the swarmanoid morph (and a small rocket no larger than a family dog) and inspected a piece of Moravec (the exoplanet) computer tech, and stole an ice sculpture from Iapetus. The thief needs to be tracked down, but first, Ultimates throw a wrench into things.
Episode 2: an ally or patron of someone in the team gives them a hot piece of intel: a Fall-era ship is drifting into Saturn orbit from a high declension, among a small cloud of seemingly useless dirty iceteroids! Salvage/Rescue is worth a gross amount of credits (for the Extropian type) and Rep (for the rest of the AA-types).
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The ship's haunted by an insane A.L.I. left in isolation for 10+ years, and [s]biological exsurgents are required.[/s] EDIT: including some sort of biological exsurgent is definitely required, proper-[i]Dead Space[/i] horror
Episode 3: an associate of Episode 1's anonymous patron, a colleague or the like, hires the team to investigate a seemingly unconnected series of murders committed against the Hulder.
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A member of the HERALD cult (c.f. Vectors) is using subliminal commands to create unknowing sleeper cell-style killers of the Hulder whenever they visit mainstream Titanian settlements.
Episode 4: Profunda on Enceladus is having a fancy gala to celebrate the release of their newest Sylph morph, something like "Forest Nymph" or the like, and the team is given an opportunity to rub elbows with high rep-types and a more eclectic sort of folks; mostly an opportunity for [b]MICROTORTS![/b] (huzzah Extropians!)
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some @-list types intend to release some sort of genehack/bioweapon to make the Glitter Bloc party a little more interesting, with the players possibly being the ones to deliver the genehack. But it gets weird and horrifying quick when the genehack involves possibly TITAN-tech or exsurgent, leaving the team to escape both from the immediate and long term complications
Just some ideas. Writing them out helps some things crystallize in my mind and I figured I would share them.
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MrWigggles MrWigggles's picture
I've been considering
I've been considering employing MicroTorts on Kronos. So far I havent and its been a few sessions so I shouldnt. But I wonder if I should have.
uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
Maybe not? It sounds like the
Maybe not? It sounds like the Extropian nature of the habitat crashed and now its an anarchic mess? Let me know how micro-torts work for you as I have never implemented them!
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MrWigggles MrWigggles's picture
Well, the gangs that are
Well, the gangs that are under the toe of the Ultimates, are all Extropian, and I've been using that. They're currently going after a criminal that recently got married, and they wanted to move to Mars. The issue is that Asimov would need to wait until his Contract Expires, or buy out the interest in his contract. Unfortunately, he's traded to the other gangs before his contract expire, and he gets a new contract. With a new contract length.
uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
More ideas
Had a few more ideas for adventures in Saturn system Episode 5: a ringer wants to run the blockade around Iapetus to retrieve his fork that successfully made it and recovered some artifacts including his long-lost little brother
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No particular spoilers as far as I can tell, it's insane and risky to try and get cool stuff off of Iapetus but the rep gain from such a move could be worth it...
Episode 6: an odd group of brinkers hire the investigators to escort a VIP (a guest of the brinkers) to Meathab, but Exhumans have other plans...
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The VIP is a Factor(s) in an opaque vacsuit for anonymity. The 'exhumans' are actually members of the Titanian intelligence community. Meathab itself is unfriendly to these 'exhumans' and the brinkers as well.
A chance to use some of this material: http://eclipsephase.com/notes-meathab-adventure, which was some awesome descriptions and fleshed out material on Meathab! Episode 7: an Extropian lost her sister to an exhuman cult and has sold even her morph in order to hire the investigators to help rescue her sister, but the investigators won't be the only ones interested in the cult
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The exhuman cult is actually benign, parallel processing, insular tribe of mystic types, like extreme brinkers, and the sister is happy to be a part of it (though how much is authentic and how much is post-modification?)... unfortunately the exhuman cult had a schism years ago and the group that left is back for revenge or something more?
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thebluespectre thebluespectre's picture
Uh…
uwtartarus wrote:
: fleshed out material on Meathab
…may I laugh out loud? Anyways, any adventure that involves honest to god aliens is fine by me. Is there some way the Ikotomi could be involved in one of these?
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uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
thebluespectre wrote
thebluespectre wrote:
uwtartarus wrote:
: fleshed out material on Meathab
…may I laugh out loud? Anyways, any adventure that involves honest to god aliens is fine by me. Is there some way the Ikotomi could be involved in one of these?
I can't take credit for the fleshed out pun, the author of that thread used it, though it fits really well, best way to describe it sort of thing. Oh man, Iktomi are so cool and spooky but I haven't gotten any ideas on how to include that sort of stuff yet. But it is on my to-do list for sure. Possibly have a Dream-Shell show up at some point among certain people who'd have cause to have one...
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Like the async cult, called the Heralds, in episode 3 above
I definitely hope to at some point drag the investigators through the Pandora Gate, because just looking at it causes SV and that is too cool.
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uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
Figured out the Iapetus plot
Figured out the Iapetus plot in Episode 5
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The ringer who is looking for his little brother on Iapetus, he forked himself beforehand and his fork tells him that he found their little brother, lost during the Fall, so now the Ringer needs help off-loading at least the cortical stack/ego as well as other sweet Zone-tech loot. In reality, the fork got captured by a group of smugglers on Iapetus known as "Helsinki-in-Exile." The H.i.E. are a group of former Fall Evacuees who were off-moon when the Titans arrived, when the blockade went up, this crew felt like the Titanians were abandoning the Iapetan colonists, who the H.i.E. feel strongly indebted to. Now the smugglers are press-ganging other smugglers into helping them dig out what they believe is a back up server/ego-bank that they found. This is a delicate operation because they have to not only avoid the Titanian Fleet that maintains the blockade but also the native TITAN/exsurgent dangers that lurk deep inside Iapetus.
Ultimately...
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The ego-bank or back up server they think they found is ACTUALLY a PRC space probe which was converted into a larger computer system in order to house an ASI from Fall era Earth, specifically it is a fork or derivative of the 100 Flowers ASI that the Chinese Machine Intelligence Directorate made that the TITANs killed in the cradle as it were. This "Honorable Master" or "Esteemed Chairman" ASI is not exsurgent but is a Seed AI and once released from the low-power and antiquated server, it will try to spread itself to as many devices as possible, try to escape, and possibly get exsurgent infected.
This might be too high of stakes for a Non-Firewall campaign, but its just a thought.
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boomzilla boomzilla's picture
meanwhile in Everett
Oh, hello other Everett person. :) I'm already doing that other game, as you know (I saw you on our thread in the Registry). But, if you plan to do this anytime soon, and are looking for players, I might be able to squeeze in a second campaign. Thus, I will avoid spoilers. (Did I do that Fate playtest with you in Lynnwood? Where I played an octopus technician? Or was that a different Everett person?)
uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
I was unable to make it to
I was unable to make it to any of the Fate playtests unfortunately. I am planning to run this campaign in July-ish (still settling details), at PFC Games in Lynnwood/Edmonds, and my plan was to recruit folks (I only have two people for certain interested so far) so I will have to keep ya informed! Definitely avoid the spoilers!
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uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
Some questions
Can ALI/AI get neural damage or mental disorders? HAL 9000 style? If an Extropian hypercorp owns the entire habitat and all permanent residents slash citizens are stockholders (e.g. Profunda on Enceladus), how is that any different than a government? Just how much computing resources are availanle to the Titanian police? Or rather how could any sort of serial murder occur in a panopticon society like Titan?
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Lazarus Lazarus's picture
AGI's certainly can. Since
AGI's certainly can. Since ALI's have Lucidity and Trauma Threshold I would assume they could as well. However, just because they can get something that approximates a human mental disorder doesn't mean they can get all human mental disorders. Outright paranoia for an ALI probably isn't possible. On the other hand things like aphasia, hysterical amnesia, or glossolalia are all certainly conceivable. For Profunda my guess is that the biggest difference is how one becomes enfranchised. To become a citizen you would be required to purchase stock. There would be no naturalization process. Also, in a modern democracy one person has one vote. In a shareholder system one person has however many votes they've purchased (or been given). I'm not 100% sure this holds for the Extropians because I've not devoted enough time to thinking about exactly how all their stuff works. There's just too much stuff in the EP universe for me to be really up on everything. For the last question, there's pretty much an entire book dedicated to that. How someone would get away with murder would be 'very, very carefully'. It's not a perfect system so things can be done to beat it but it takes an awful lot of planning. I would guess that the only people who get away with impulse murders are those who get very, very lucky.
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uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
Cool, I was thinking aphasia,
Cool, I was thinking aphasia, the communicating problem sort of trouble for limited AI. Wasn't sure. Extropians are an odd bunch. I have a player who is thinking of playing one but he is sort of fresh/new on the setting. How does one distill the basics of Extropians? The thread re: factions ala White Wolf post was useful.
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MrWigggles MrWigggles's picture
Well, Extropians, don't
Well, Extropians, don't believe in the civil body, and they dont believe in a civil authority. They're extreme anarcho capitalists, super randroids, "Hey bioshock wasn't such a bad idea", kinda of folks. The laws that you are govern under, are the laws you strictly and explicitly opt into, via contract. You pay a reasonable fee, to have a host of rights, that exist on as a legal fiction for the entity that guaranteeing you. Its possible for two Extropian to be under two entirely mutually exclusive set of laws. For one to commit a crime to another, while the offending party doesn't recognize it as a crime. The two entities that two individuals have contracts with, then engage and resolve the conflict, which by their contract the two individuals have to honor. If you break contract, your contract is made void, you're no longer recognized legally as a person, and therefore can be acted upon with impunity. No one else will wish to make a contract with you, as you're known to violate the contracts you sign or you'll have to sign an egregiously expensive contract, with minimum rights. (With that said, jail doesn't really happen to my understanding. As the wrong party, you'll have to pay for their upkeep in jail. It has to be the wrong party, as the offending party, may not be able to afford it, and you two subscribe definition of jail p Generally, its ruminations in the form of COLD HARD CASH, or services or in an extreme case, indenture service.) So, my understanding is that Extropia, is a company that owns the Astroid of Exotropia. They are one of the larger Companies on Extropia, and certainly one of the richest. However, Extropia holds no authority over you, the individual, except for the authority you've explicitly agreed to recognize via contract. Extropian Company doesn't act as a civil body, its not a State. The only one beholden to Extropia, are those that sign a contract with them for services. Now for the Habitat. The company that owns the Habitat, maybe the largest company on it, or possibly the only company. If you want to be recognized as a person, you'll have to sign up, ante up some payment. If you want to have a say with that company, you buy their stocks. And buying stocks, isn't really having a democracy inside a company. Shareholders make demand, under threat of poor performance of selling their stock, and the board of directors listen to the demands. And then after that, it depends on the companies own corporate structure. They be structure in such a fashion, that the power of share holders is very limited, their only real power is the being able to sell their shares. They may not be able to do votes or have a say with the CEO or CFO, or anyone on the board of directors, and may never be allowed as a board of director for the company. Now what makes this note a State, is that your participation is voluntary. Depending on how your contract is designed, you should be able to opt out with minimum termination fees. You may attempt to entirely negotiate your contract, and there self determine your own set of rights that fit you. You may also leave.
uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
Yeah, I read a pretty decent
Yeah, I read a pretty decent article written awhile back by one of the veteran forum-denizens about Extropian law, I was mostly just baffled by habitats with a significant domination by one company like Profunda. But Extropia is owned by Extropy Now! Or a similarly named company. Edit: found it: http://eclipsephase.com/law-and-order-extropia
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uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
Another question
Titanian economics question, where is the line between personal/public project like a bar or an art studio, and microcorps? If I wanted to designate some space towards creating artwork, would I need to go to my local subset of the Plurality to get a "My Neighborhood's New Art Studio Run By Me μ-Inc." microcorp license? Or could I just do that on my own? Where does the @-rep, individual autonomy end, and the Plurality/Kroner economy begin?
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uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
Another idea
The EP/Saturn game has begun, though I haven't gotten to Episode 3 yet. (Don't read the spoilers, Boomzilla!) But I got an eighth episode seed/idea: Mr. Fritz, the anonymous patron from episode 1 hires the investigators to accompany an Extropian agent, Raj Kleiner, on his visit to iZulu. http://eclipse-phase.wikispaces.com/Pan
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It quickly becomes clear that R. Kleiner is some sort of anarchist agent provocateur (TSI likely), and the investigators need to help him in his operations to support the underclass in the tense stand-off between the haves and have-nots in the habitat.
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