I'd treat it as hacking into a VPN

a lot of it will depend on the nature of the implants. Any bioware will be completely inaccessible since that is integrated via meat and nerves. Nanoware would be accessible if the cranial computer is compromised, cyberware is a bit tricky, it could be controlled by nerves but it could also have wireless connections to the CC for diagnostic information or direct hardline access jacks. the cortical stack however is explicitly off limits. to corrupt the stack you have to first corrupt the mind.

Nanophages and medichines have hives implanted in the body and i would constitute as cyberware since they produce nanites which as far as i understand it meat can not do that. further there is no implicit link to the nervous system so i would have them controlled from the CC. with that established i suppose it breaks down to manufacturer. Inner system commercial lines i would assume are locked to read only memory for what they blueprints for. However you could easily subvert its filter list to allow nutcracker through. Outer system models and especially aurgonaut models would probly would allow the upload of new blueprints at which it boils down to is the hive actually capable on a technical level of producing the nutcracker

Would there be a universal personal killswitch command in every neuro comp in cases like this? A runaway muse would be like audio-visual hallucinatory schizophrenia on steroids.

jKaiser wrote:

Would there be a universal personal killswitch command in every neuro comp in cases like this? A runaway muse would be like audio-visual hallucinatory schizophrenia on steroids.

I believe a user can always reboot or disable their mesh inserts as a single action if they are aware of a problem - a hacker would have to be pretty quick (or be recoding your software on the fly, like the Exsurgent virus) to stop you. I'm not sure you CAN lock out the user who's brain stem the cranial comp is bolted to.

SquireNed wrote:

Keep in mind that some muses probably don't have full AGI-style human neurology emulation, so there are probably some muses that store data in the AF-equivalent of .jpg and .txt files. Those would simply require decryption (and if you own the hardware or have master codes, which there probably are for law enforcement purposes), and may even have dedicated functions for dumping directly to an external device, which hackers would love.

Well, anything that is actually a Standard model Muse or higher is a full AI expert system with very sophisticated modelling. How much of that is AGI style emulation probably depends on the user. That being said, a Muse is basically using the infomorph slot on your Mesh Inserts, which means it does effectively always have Mnemonic Augmentation - though for a Muse this might be less sophisticated than a Transhuman's full XP format 24/7. Muses are regularly backed up too, and appended to the Ego's files. They might be easier to copy and dump than to try and steal a full Ego print directly.

Can cops get you to confess to a crime via issuing a subpoena to your Muse?

I have a couple of legal arguments you could pitch to not bring the Muse into the courtroom which should apply to most eventualities - but like Mr Wiggles said, that's for a different topic altogether.

Medichines could even be similar to the immune system in command and control, acting from their own internal direction and piggybacking on the body's internal signals, and can only accept limited commands from an outside source. That would make them pretty much unhackable, but would probably open them up to "allergic" response to certain tailored nano toxins.

I'm pretty sure you don't have actual deep control over your medical sensors. That'd be silly, then people could fake their own medical emergencies. People in this thread make a lot of assumptions about what kind of fine control admin access to your own CC gives you - especially in "autonomist habs". Realistically, no functional, reputable design is going to allow that kind of deep context control. Remember, only [i]10 years ago[/i] was their a massive [i]information-entity based apocalypse[/i]. No sane person is going to trust that kind of thing in their body, when any body (or more accurately, any TITAN) can subvert you and make you grey goo yourself. And no reasonable, sane designer would build that kind of functionality. The book does not suggest you have that level of fine control over them, nor does it state they're necessarily governed by your mesh insert. All it does say is that there's an internal exception list you can use for certain substances (like if you want to get drunk) but even that normally prevents you from poisoning yourself unless you specifically override it again. Medichines itself "monitors your body at a cellular level" and repairs damage. It does not interact with nanodrugs or nanotoxins. Now, Nanophages does say that it's exception list is specifically governed by the mesh inserts - but again, no fine control. You just say Y/N to nanodrugs and nanotoxins in your system. This does mean a hacker who is also a poisoner can very easily mess up somebody even if they take normal precautions, but crazy plans like making somebody Ebola or Space-AIDS themselves is too complex and meat-based for a digital intruder to do it. That sounds like the kind of attack a TITAN nanovirus might do, subverting the physical hardware of a morph, but if you're already in the hardware, why do you need to make their blood turn acidic?

MrWigggles wrote:

Um. Yes it would. The medimachines must be using the Mesh inserts medical monitor to direct its effort. If you feed it bad information, as from the mesh inserts, then it'll treat your body as however you want. Now you may need to have someone with a medical knowledge or something else to spoof the condition you want.

They don't need to be. The human immune system for example, has no central direction which can be hacked, and the same is similar for essentially every cellular process in the human body. There's already a *huge* decentralized chemical information sharing network in the human body, complete with its own indexing system and such. With the level of biological knowledge which Eclipse Phase humanity has it seems pretty trivial to make medichines piggyback on those same signals, and respond to the same infection and damage signals the body's native repair and defense systems already use. Having medichines which are a single software glitch, hack, or TITAN infoweapon away from deciding that the brain is a hostile invader would be a big downside if any alternative was possible at all. This also largely bypasses the bandwidth limitations which nanotech has, because of all the chemical signaling used in its place.

MrWigggles wrote:

Then what about synthmorphs? They wouldnt have the same chemical infrastructure to use for their medimachines? I'm not meaning to suggests that the implant is exactly the same for biomorph as they are for synths.

Nanomachines can still look for chemical signs of damage, but they could also have pre-programmed behavior. The thing is that it's really hard to get them to change behavior once they're out; the "software" and hardware sides of nanomachines are probably not up to real time adjustment.

Besides, if you hack a synthmorph's CC, you have plenty of options you don't with a Biomorph. Now, Pods, there a hacker could do some honest damage that they couldn't to a biomorph, which is one of the reasons they're looked down on (and one of the biggest fears for pro-podders like myself.)