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So, how *do* you flash-suppress a plasma thrower?

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Psyfer Psyfer's picture
So, how *do* you flash-suppress a plasma thrower?
I'm mainly just fishing around for opinions, but I did note that going by the strictest sense of the rules you can do silly things like the above, or silencing a railgun (where the noise is fromt he bullet screaming past at mach 5 not the initial explosion). However, it's got me thinking about how this could be done and what weapons it could be done with. So, here's a list of ideas: Chemical Firearms: both work just fine with modern technologies (although to be anal, a flash suppressor is to stop the shooter from seeing the flash, not the target) Railguns: Flash-suppression should be of minimal need (would a railgun produce a flash?), silencing.... Well they've made a plane that can go supersonic without creating a sonic boom, can the some thing be done with a railgun round? Lasers: Flash suppression seems to be null and void (the beam's invisable unless you have enhanced vision), any noise made would be at the target end (rapid heating/expansion effects), so I'd argue no to that either. Microwave Guns: Don't see the need for either (although it should go 'bing!' when the target's cooked :P). Particle Beam: Invisable apparently... I would have thought that in atmo at least it would have sparked and glowed from atmospehric interaction... Still going to go bang at the other end though. Plasmaguns: You're throwing a ball of really hot ions at something, it's going to glow like a mother and prolly crackle and carry on whilst it's at it. I'm going to say silencing/flash suppressing that is pretty much impossible. Seekers: Maybe specialised ammo using turbines/compressed gas for propusion instead of chemical rockets... Dunno how small you could make that or how efficient it would be though. Electrolasers: I honestly have no idea. are they invisable like a laser, or do they spark as you throw the electric current down them? Buzzer: Don't see how it'd be hard to silence, and unless it was a deliberate function I don't see why nanobots would produce light. Might be a big dark blotch though. Freezer/Torch/Sprayer: In all cases your spreading liquid (probably a lot of it) at high pressure, in one case the liquid's also on fire. It's going to be pretty obvious no matter which way you cut it. Shard weapons: Depends on the drive mechenism. If the wepons use a low-power railgun or coilgun mechenism, then I don't see why it would make much noise or flash at all. If it's chemical, I see it being like silencing a shotgun, ie. it doesn't work to well. As far as I'm aware you can flash-suppress a shotgun without too much issue, so I don't see any problems there if that's the case. Vortex Ring Gun: Well it's chemical, the description sums that up. However, the gun seems fairly relient on barrel dynamics and both silencers and flash suppressors would screw with that. So I's say no for the time being.
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Psyfer Psyfer's picture
Re: So, how *do* you flash-suppress a plasma thrower?
Sorry, did stick this in the wrong catagory? Or is it just that boring a subject? I was hoping to see some other opinions. IF this is the wrong location I'll move it.
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Decivre Decivre's picture
Re: So, how *do* you flash-suppress a plasma thrower?
Psyfer wrote:
Sorry, did stick this in the wrong catagory? Or is it just that boring a subject? I was hoping to see some other opinions. IF this is the wrong location I'll move it.
I just think it's a hard-to-gauge subject. Everyone runs their games differently. Some people might want a cinematic game of Eclipse Phase, where lasers sound like blaster pistols. More to the point, I always assumed that there were other silencer and suppressor technologies beyond what we used today for ballistic weapons. I'd imagine that you can make some sort of suppressor for any weapon that produces flash, and some sort of silencer for any weapon that produces noise. Otherwise it's negligible.
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King Shere King Shere's picture
Re: So, how *do* you flash-suppress a plasma thrower?
My understanding of flash-suppressing is; That the goal is to make it difficult to identify the position of the shooter and not see the flash from the barrel of the scope. I imagine that "flash-suppressing" a plasma thrower, means not igniting the plasma propellant gas as it leaves the muzzle. Thus redirecting the light created when igniting the propellant. I also imagine that there are those (healthy?) paranoid snipers that doesn't discount enhanced vision sensors that can see other spectra's. Creating the need for Flash muzzle research on other spectra's. If the customers wants it -redundant extra features will be added. Extra features and benefits also increase the value created in the consumer’s mind. Making the customer more eager to acquire the product. Even known redundant features increases this. -"It comes with a flash suppressor!"
JackOfShadows JackOfShadows's picture
Re: So, how *do* you flash-suppress a plasma thrower?
Psyfer wrote:
I'm mainly just fishing around for opinions, but I did note that going by the strictest sense of the rules you can do silly things like the above, or silencing a railgun (where the noise is fromt he bullet screaming past at mach 5 not the initial explosion). However, it's got me thinking about how this could be done and what weapons it could be done with. So, here's a list of ideas: Chemical Firearms: both work just fine with modern technologies (although to be anal, a flash suppressor is to stop the shooter from seeing the flash, not the target) Railguns: Flash-suppression should be of minimal need (would a railgun produce a flash?), silencing.... Well they've made a plane that can go supersonic without creating a sonic boom, can the some thing be done with a railgun round?
Actually, as can be seen from the US Navy's test firing of their new railgun, muzzle flash is a big issue with rail guns. The round travels so fast that friction ignites the air as it passes. Flash suppresion and railguns are not compatible. Not unless the create some form of vacuum or inert gas pathway for the round to travel.
Psyfer wrote:
Lasers: Flash suppression seems to be null and void (the beam's invisable unless you have enhanced vision), any noise made would be at the target end (rapid heating/expansion effects), so I'd argue no to that either.
Isn't there a rather loud SNAP sound from a laser? Especially one with the amps tp do real damage. Again, like the rail gun, it superheats the path to the target.
Psyfer wrote:
Microwave Guns: Don't see the need for either (although it should go 'bing!' when the target's cooked :P). Particle Beam: Invisable apparently... I would have thought that in atmo at least it would have sparked and glowed from atmospehric interaction... Still going to go bang at the other end though. Plasmaguns: You're throwing a ball of really hot ions at something, it's going to glow like a mother and prolly crackle and carry on whilst it's at it. I'm going to say silencing/flash suppressing that is pretty much impossible.
I concure, it would be like trying to flash supress a flame thrower.
Psyfer wrote:
Seekers: Maybe specialised ammo using turbines/compressed gas for propusion instead of chemical rockets... Dunno how small you could make that or how efficient it would be though.
Probably pretty easy to quiet as the can fly subsonic.
Psyfer wrote:
Electrolasers: I honestly have no idea. are they invisable like a laser, or do they spark as you throw the electric current down them?
About as invisible as a lightning bolt. JoS.
Young Freud Young Freud's picture
Re: So, how *do* you flash-suppress a plasma thrower?
JackOfShadows wrote:
Actually, as can be seen from the US Navy's test firing of their new railgun, muzzle flash is a big issue with rail guns. The round travels so fast that friction ignites the air as it passes. Flash suppresion and railguns are not compatible. Not unless the create some form of vacuum or inert gas pathway for the round to travel.
From what I've heard, the flash isn't from air friction. The rail guns used in experiments have a small propulsion charge to prevent the slug from welding itself to the rails. Coil guns (which I [b]guess[/b] could be considered "rail guns" since they use similar principles), from what I've heard, don't have this problem. Flash suppression would likely be an outdated concept, as infrared spectrum will pick up the heated barrel and receiver moments after firing.