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Query about i-rep and Firewall contacts?

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jasonbrisbane jasonbrisbane's picture
Query about i-rep and Firewall contacts?
Hello All, Ive re-read the core book again about Firewall and am introducing my players to it. They do NOT have i-Rep but if I decide to introduce this rep score then they will want to ask for favors if they are doing things. But for other reps you pout a post on the mesh for the faction you are in - ie hypercorp and other hypercorp members answer your call - if uou helped them then they help you and source something for rep, (ie aquiring items). With i-Rep you only have one single contact - your Proxy. Otherwise its not a secret society, is it? Or is there a forum (equivalent) that everyone is listed as "anonymous" and the system keeps track of who posted what? Seems VERY far fetched and very likely to be hacked by ozma... And BAM their world ends! Is it just me or is it silly (ridiculous) to have an iRep at all? Should all Queries simply be made by the Team as a whole to the Proxy, who then gives them a "team Rep" score? Or could someone explain this to me.....
Regards, Jason Brisbane
ShadowDragon8685 ShadowDragon8685's picture
The short version: Read
The short version: Read Firewall.
jasonbrisbane wrote:
Or is there a forum (equivalent) that everyone is listed as "anonymous" and the system keeps track of who posted what? Seems VERY far fetched and very likely to be hacked by ozma... And BAM their world ends!
Ozma keeps trying. They also keep failing, because one of the big things Firewall has in its favor is that the Eye is literally two or more decades of communications channels that everything and everyone else has, and is actively monitored for security breaches by Prometheans.
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Is it just me or is it silly (ridiculous) to have an iRep at all? Should all Queries simply be made by the Team as a whole to the Proxy, who then gives them a "team Rep" score? Or could someone explain this to me.....
This is the big issue that I have with the way it is now. With compartmentalization, you can't have a meaningful community discourse on your i-Rep, so basically, if you're a Sentinel, your Proxy sets your i-Rep as they see fit, which is problematic for all of the reasons you're now imagining. So if you had an attack of heart and did something risky to save the life of an innocent and succeeded, your cold-hearted conservative Proxy can trash your i-Rep for it, even if thousands of other sentinels who have not had the emotion centers of their psychology psychosurgically excised would happily drown his rep-pings out with bumps for an heroic job well done.
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Redroverone Redroverone's picture
There are a couple of really inefficient workarounds
The Know Evil playthrough at RPPR found the easiest way around it was to keep traveling from place to place, so they'd get handed off to another Proxy who was in charge of the assets there. Alternatively, i-Rep could be (instead of a favor/economic system like some of the other reps) purely a 'this is how well known you are to the big wheels' system. The guys who blew up a hab to prevent an x-threat will get much more attention from on high than the guys who pirated a potential x-threat cargo off a ship.
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godmoney godmoney's picture
perhaps everything gets
perhaps everything gets filtered through the proxy level. I put out that I need video from the such and such private feed. my proxy doesn't have that handy so he puts it out for other proxies to look at and see if its available. if it is, then my proxy hits my rep cause I couldn't acquire it myself. then when I do some good for the world he bumps my rep. team mates can also bump or hit your rep as an indicator of the amount of effort you put into the mission, kind of like an after action report to the proxy. kind of how I look at I-rep.
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Trappedinwikipedia Trappedinwikipedia's picture
jasonbrisbane wrote:With i
jasonbrisbane wrote:
With i-Rep you only have one single contact - your Proxy. Otherwise its not a secret society, is it?
Not quite, your proxy is essentially your commanding officer. You're supposed to pass your intel/problems/requests/etc up the Firewall chain through your proxy, and receive orders/intel/etc from your proxy. The firewall chain of command is really short though, basically a web of chains above the sentinels with the (routing) proxies hanging down as links. That doesn't mean you won't know other members, or even wouldn't get asked to do something by another proxy. Firewall is pretty ad-hoc and has a fair amount of internal politicking so stuff like that might be pretty common.
jasonbrisbane wrote:
Or is there a forum (equivalent) that everyone is listed as "anonymous" and the system keeps track of who posted what? Seems VERY far fetched and very likely to be hacked by ozma... And BAM their world ends!
There is, its called Eyechat, and uses anonymous pseudonyms, its also the source of the commentary in the MRG. It works because Firewall has divine infosec backing which can't really be compromised by anyone else. OZMA has broken is a little bit, but has never unraveled the network or gotten anything super important.
jasonbrisbane wrote:
Is it just me or is it silly (ridiculous) to have an iRep at all? Should all Queries simply be made by the Team as a whole to the Proxy, who then gives them a "team Rep" score? Or could someone explain this to me.....
Irep is a useful thing to track individually imo, because of personal connections with other sentinels through Eyechat, or a proxy who rotated servers during a sentinels time, or any number of other things. I think a group Irep might make sense as well, but it shouldn't replace personal Irep. Perhaps adding it and giving Irep a penalty on tests to reflect the secret nature of firewall might be a good in-between?
ORCACommander ORCACommander's picture
well the firewall book did
well the firewall book did say some proxies or servers can be control freaks and lock out their sentinels from the eye network completely. however they are deemed to be few in number.
Pyrite Pyrite's picture
I imagine that if your proxy
I imagine that if your proxy hits your rep harder than you deserve, you can appeal that to the proxy's server. If they uphold the decision, you either can choose to live with that and modify your behavior or continue seeing your I-rep tank, or ask to be transferred to another server.
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I see iRep a little differently, representing the Sentinel's reputation outside of their Server - their current proxies ability to (directly) alter a sentinel's rep is deliberately impaired*. Essentially, the resources available to a given Server are strictly limited, and for a given mission the Proxies will assign a portion of those available resources as they see fit. However, the sentinels may want or need more than that, so they can turn to their iRep to get other sentinels or Servers to pick up the slack. An example; a Server has tasked a Cell to investigate an unknown heat source on Acidalia Planitia. It's not especially remarkable, and far from the TQZ, so they simply organize a Buggy and basic gear. However, one of the Sentinels has a bad feeling, and wants a Plasma Rifle just in case. The Server denies the request, so he goes on the Eye instead. Whilst he can't give any actual details, those few details available to the "public" from previous missions show he'll keep OpSec in mind. He's also laundered a few credits for others when needed, and a Proxy who rotated out of the server speaks favorably for him - so he makes his checks. A proxy from a server working in lunar orbit redirects a part of their funds, and a criminal on mars leaves a Plasma Rifle in a locker, ready to be picked up. *If a proxy doesn't like the way a Sentinel does things, they can either; a) assign them fewer resources in future, making them use their own rep instead. b) Save it up until they rotate out, although this would come across as Petty, implying that the dings are more based on personality conflicts than actual justifiable criticism. c) Transfer the sentinel to another Server. d) Just not activate the sentinel.
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Lazarus Lazarus's picture
An analogy
You can view iRep and the Eye as sort of like a bulletin board system. As a simple example ORCACommander has reputation here. It is based on the various things he has posted. If he were to ask for help with a project people could look through his previous posts and see what other projects he's asked for help with in the past, if they got completed or were abandoned half-way through, if people seemed to enjoy working with him, and if he's helped out on other projects. I've got zero idea who ORCACommander is in real life, but he still has reputation. Now in our case this isn't a system designed for anonymity and for facilitating this kind of interaction but that core functionality remains. The FBI could seize the server and check the IP address that ORCACommander logs in from. They could monitor the traffic going to the server without the admin even knowing that they were looking for ORCACommander. Also, ORCACommander's anonymity here might be more a matter of convention than a conscious decision on his part. The Eye, on the other hand, was built from the ground up for being an anonymous network. It's almost certainly decentralized so there is no particular server to seize. Matrix IDs are probably anonymized through something like our present day TOR network and traffic is encrypted. It isn't a completely open system, however, as Proxies are able to restrict information. People who post sensitive information before it has been cleared probably find it redacted very quickly along with the equivalent of a sysadmin post stating that they were being naughty (which isn't good for the iRep). I would speculate that if someone calls on their iRep and asks for help that any help from other sentinels probably gets routed through the proxies. This means that if ORCACommander asks if anyone has a spare Neo-Orca morph and I want to send it to him I can even though I don't know who he really is. I can even do something like helping him move a body or patch up an injury. I'll end up meeting him but unless he tells me his name I still won't know who he is. Because of morphs he could even be famous and I wouldn't necessarily know who he is. He might not use his primary morph. Even if he does I won't know if its really him. Maybe it is someone else using a morph that's been customized to look like his.
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Urthdigger Urthdigger's picture
The way I've used i-rep in
The way I've used i-rep in the past, it's not only sentinels who have it. Rather, it's a measure of your usefulness to Firewall. Now, a non-sentinel may be limited in how they can use it however. They can't make a posting to The Eye, but rather just know Frank, who they've helped in the past, has some shady connections and gets shit done. It probably makes more sense how it can be used across multiple servers that way to think of it not as Sentinel standing, but of how much you've helped Firewall. A discreet arms dealer may have higher rep than a newbie sentinel, and so on. This also means just knowing someone has i-rep doesn't necessarily mean they're a member, just that they're useful.
obsidian razor obsidian razor's picture
Actually that's not a bad
Actually that's not a bad idea, it also makes more sense logically. The eye could be a combination of forums, message boards, chats, etc... which are frequented by Firewall members. To identify each other, they might use an encrypted digital "handshake" a-la secret masonic salute. The Eyechat could require a similar key to log-in. This way if anything is compromised is info used by a subset of agents, not the whole organization. It also avoids the problem of a single double agent being able to access all open info from Firewall in one shot.
ORCACommander ORCACommander's picture
Lazarus ... uh do I know you
Lazarus ... uh do I know you or something? *buries himself under tighter layers of firewalls and onion routers*
Lazarus Lazarus's picture
No, but your reputation
No, but your reputation precedes you. :)
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Lazarus Lazarus's picture
Firewall
Actually, while we are discussing our theories for how all of this works it is pretty well covered in Firewall. The answer is more or less like my guess with some differences. It looks like there's a handful of servers maintaining the Eye so it is sort of decentralized but not as decentralized as I thought (I was thinking a bit more like a Bittorrent setup with servers popping up and going down all the time). Not all sentinels have access to the Eye (I think the implication is that it is a fairly reasonable percentage where as I thought such individuals would be more fringe cases).
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trismegiste trismegiste's picture
About the Eye
I see the Eye like the Diaspora* software http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaspora_(software) : it's a distributed social network, each firewall server deploying one. From the Firewall book page 44
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The Eye’s social network functions like most others. Though profiles are anonymized by default, many proxies use their primary cover ID or other pseudonyms. Users can ping and ding each other’s rep scores, send messages, post comments, and so on. ... The Eye also features a vibrant social forum, where sentinels and proxies discuss everything from weapon specs and politics to gatecrashing rumors and new exsurgent threats. Keeping in line with Firewall’s mission, the forums, chat rooms, and EyeWiki provide a place for proxies to share data with other servers
There are many possibilities to use/refill/burn your i-rep. The decentralized nature of Firewall implies it is more like a rosicrucian secret society or the "Knights" in Serial Experimental Lain or Anonymous for example. It's blurry, it's anonymous and only the Eye could permit Firewall to take actions.
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