Although I do not agree with the article in Vice, I though some might find it of interest.
Mind Uploading Will Replace the Need for Religion
http://motherboard.vice.com/read/mind-uploading-will-replace-god
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Vice Article: "Mind Uploading Will Replace the Need for Religion"
Tue, 2015-04-14 23:09
#1
Vice Article: "Mind Uploading Will Replace the Need for Religion"
Wed, 2015-04-15 00:26
#2
Interesting
This article is interesting, but it overlooks some of the fundamentals of religion as they stand for at least some branches of Abrahamic religion. In fact, the sect I belong to is fairly theologically conservative, but things like gene engineering are noncontroversial for church doctrine (eugenics and the sanctity of life at conception notwithstanding).
A lot of the focus on spirits seems to almost lump some sort of animism in with it; the truth of the matter is a little more complex, at least in my particular sect. We believe in the afterlife, but the soul is viewed as something innate to a person—the manifestation of spirit functions more akin to the movement of God in an individual's mind, and while said mind persists into the afterlife the spirit is also part of human consciousness—backups would be fine, as they are no different in terms of fundamental nature than the original human consciousness. At the very least, the original individual experiences no ill effects. Potentially you even wind up forking your own spirit multiple times, which could be interesting albeit academic.
On a more practical point, I find it unlikely that we'll use digital avatars of ourselves as a path to moral self-perfection. Humanity just doesn't seem to work that way—I'd use mine to pursue my own interests, but rarely would I be more virtuous on account of its guidance. While I'm not necessarily against psychosurgery and self-improvement, I find it more likely that we would seek performance, not moral, gains from the ability to create an improved version of ourselves.
Wed, 2015-04-15 01:27
#3
I think the article was
I think the article was generally little more than the author venting her own religious misgivings, and caricaturing religious belief and some conservative values in the process. It's not atypical in transhumanist writings.
However, there were certainly some interesting tidbits, and I have no doubt much of the thinking would appeal to and interest those on the forum who consider themselves transhumanist, particularly if also atheist or agnostic.
Wed, 2015-04-15 09:24
#4
https://www.youtube.com/watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pJRY2fc6RE
Relevant?
Wed, 2015-04-15 13:01
#5
The author seems very
The author seems very optimistic that technology will abrade the desire for religion. I find that difficult to believe. Long held beliefs are simply not dispensed with so easily.
Good advice on self-improvement coming from a digital avatar can be ignored just as easily as good advice from any other source.
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Thu, 2015-04-16 21:21
#6
Look, I'm an atheist and I
Look, I'm an atheist and I still believe that most proposed forms of brain uploading would just create a "brain clone". It's dualistic thinking, a remnant of Descartes' ridiculous philosophy.
A gradual uploading like the one resleeving procedure in the rulebook that doesn't incur Stress damage would be the only way I might be convinced that an upload could be "me."
If not all atheists can agree on brain uploading than there's no way everyone will abandon religion when it becomes possible. At most the religions that accept it will gain converts, which would be those that believe in reincarnation and probably animism too like Shinto.