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So when you egocast, are you killed?

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ThatWhichNeverWas ThatWhichNeverWas's picture
I am loving this discussion :D
Zarpaulus wrote:
There's a massive difference between losing a part of you and losing all of you.
I may have overreacted a tad there, sorry. Nonetheless, the point remains that there is no particular part of the brain that is irreplaceable through ordinary means, and so replacing them through artificial means must be possible without loss of self.
Zarpaulus wrote:
Also, what about epigenetics? That's just selectively coiling or uncoiling sections of the strand by attaching or removing tags.
Firstly, because those tags are attached, and so can be considered a part of the DNA strand – whether they are or not is a matter of convention. In that case, removal or addition of a epigenetic tag would be the equivalent of altering the DNA strand. Secondly, epigenetics are vital for determining cell identity. It's those tags which determine how long the DNA strand remains in the body, what the DNA does.... everything. If you alter the tags... which occurs naturally to control protein expression iirc... then you alter DNA expression, at which point another aspect of the paradox applies: If you take the planks of the Ship of Theseus and use them to build a cabin so that every part of the ship is present in the construction, is the cabin then the Ship of Theseus? That is, if you alter a DNA strand's expression, does it remain the same strand?
Zarpaulus wrote:
Something else you might find interesting, each cell has roughly half the same DNA atoms as its parent cell had, and half of all cells have a strand that was originally in their "grandparent" cell, and so on and so forth.
More interesting is the corollary; there are at most 2 cells in your entire body that contain your “original” DNA, and it's very likely that there aren't any. Every other cell wasn't you, but became you... and those cells that have died or been lost have ceased to be you. FYI, I'll be going away for a couple of weeks, so it may be a bit before I can reply to any comments.
In the past we've had to compensate for weaknesses, finding quick solutions that only benefit a few. But what if we never need to feel weak or morally conflicted again?
sebwiers sebwiers's picture
Noble Pigeon wrote:Because my
Noble Pigeon wrote:
Because my definition of the self does not stretch to a copy of myself who wakes up across the solar system. Sure I'd consider that person that wakes up a sapient, living, breathing person, akin to an alpha fork, with just as much entitlements to living life as anyone else, but I would not consider it to be myself. The difference between me and the other person that wakes up begins the minute he begins exemplifying divergent behavior, personality traits, and so on, as he would inevitably do.
Thought experiment - what if before that 'other person' wakes up, the 'original' is put into an induced coma, or otherwise has mental process suspended (but is still technically alive). Further, the 'other person' is given artificial memories simulating an actual physical journey, and a body & equipment identical to that left behind. If you wake up the 'original' again, would the 'original' be the one that is diverging?
Zarpaulus wrote:
In short, every time you shut down your computer you're killing it, and every time you start it up you're resleeving it from a stack.
What about running a VM and saving its image state? If you do that, you can shut down the computer and restore it without losing any of the information in volatile memory, even transfer its operations onto other hardware. I've got some images that have NEVER been 'shut off', despite operating on multiple machines. TBH, that's pretty much how I figured any sort of personality backup / transfer would work, though I'll admit I'm not sure it a model that fits the EP rules.
sebwiers sebwiers's picture
Zarpaulus wrote:In short,
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ORCACommander ORCACommander's picture
strictly speaking it is no
strictly speaking it is no longer in volatile memory. it is simply loaded into volatile memory first instead of the usual start up procedures.

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