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Octojean Veinous gets another sidekick! (That means it's NSFW, folks!) This one's a Marilith pod.

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Fri, 2014-06-27 18:18

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Octojean Veinous gets another sidekick! (That means it's NSFW, folks!) This one's a Marilith pod.

Because I am possibly deranged, definitely perverted, and also because one of my players said to me that you could make a Lamia by applying a synthetic mask to a Slitheroid. No. No, you cannot. You can make a cheap imitation of a lamia. I have created the real deal. [h1]Marilith (Pod Biomorph)[/h1] The Marilith pod is a recent invention of Scum morph engineers, inspired by the snake-bodied women of human myth and originally thought of as a simple Slitheroid variant. Feature bloat quickly necessitated starting from scratch as a Pod, and the opportunity was taken to make it far larger than a slitheroid, along with upgrading it from a two-armed Lamia to a six-armed Marilith, as it had been decided to make it physically buff and vacuum-capable, as well as being designed with a custom set of genetalia which are not easily modified. The Marilith is a feminine-presenting hermaprodite, with a transhuman female body from the waist up; below the waist begins the roughly eight-meter long tail (9.1m overall length,) which is lined with a huge grip pad on the underside. The upper part of the tail and lower abdomen conceal the vast cavity that is the Marilith’s vagina, within which is found a tentacle-like penis with a total length of approximately three meters. Their internals are complicated and sexy, those who are into such things would say; it was designed to be capable of engulfing an adult-sized transhuman, with the Marilith still capable of slithering whilst so encumbered. It is fully prehensile and capable of emerging to manipulate objects, though obviously it lacks fine manipulating digits. The Marilith’s tail is a massive, powerful weapon if employed as such; the Marilith may choose to cause damage with any successful subdual roll, and once the target has been successfully grappled in the first place, the grip pad undersurface provide an overwhelming +30 modifier to Unarmed rolls made for the purpose of maintaining the grapple. [b]Stock Augmentations:[/b] Access Jacks, Basic Mesh Inserts, Basic Biomods, Bioweave Armor (Heavy), Circadian Regulation, Chameleon Skin, Clean Metabolism, Cortical Stack, Cyberbrain, Enhanced Hearing, Enhanced Pheromones, Enhanced Respiration, Enhanced Vision, Grip Pads, Lateral Line, Medichines, Mnemonic Augmentation, Oxygen Reserve, Skin Pocket, Skinflex, Synthetic Mask, Vacuum Sealing [b]Movement:[/b] Slithering 4/16 [b]Aptitude Maximum:[/b] COG, INT, WILL 30; COO, REF, SAV 35; SOM 40 [b]Durability:[/b] 50 (WT 10, DT 75) [b]Advantages:[/b] Limber (Level 2), Striking Looks (Level 2); +10 Intimidation, +20 Swimming; +10 SOM, +5 COO, +5 REF, +5 to one other Aptitude of player’s choice; 6 arms, prehensile tentacle, Natural Weapon (3d10 DV, -5 AP). [b]Disadvantages:[/b] Social Stigma (Pod), Fast Metabolism [b]Neutral Traits:[/b] Non-Mamamalian Biochemistry, Snake Mobility, Large size [b]CP Cost:[/b] 85 [b]Credit Cost:[/b] 85,000 [b]Variants:[/b] The Marilith project was comprehensive, not merely an orphaned project. It has produced two recognizable variants of the primary Marilith, and all three have their own Neotenic variants. [b]Marilith:[/b] The default variant, as above. [b]Lillend:[/b] Swap the Heavy Bioweave armor for Light Bioweave (trading down from heavy scales to smooth microscales - an option which you can get on a baseline Marilith, too,) swap four of the six arms for a pair of absolutely gi-normous wings. [b]Lamia:[/b] Remove four of the six arms. Optionally swap the Heavy Bioweave for Light. [b]Neotenic Sub-Variant:[/b] Step the size down from Large to Medium, reduce tail damage to 2d10 DV, -3 AP, reduce DUR from 50 to 40 (recalculate WT and DT as appropriate,) reduce SOM maximum to 30, and generally reduce the size by about one-third. (Penis length is an exception to this, though. Because Scum.)

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[h1]Creation step-by-step[/h1] [b]1: Morph Type:[/b] Pod Biomorph [b]2: Size and Durability:[/b] Large, DUR 50 Real CP Cost: 20 [b]3: Aptitude Maximum:[/b] COG, INT, WIL 30; COO, REF, SAV 35, SOM 40 Real CP Cost: 18 [b]4: Skill Bonuses:[/b] +20 Swimming, +10 Intimidation Real CP cost: 10 [b]5: Augmentations:[/b] Real CP cost: 17 [b]5.1: Trivial Augmentations:[/b] Skin Pocket, (50 Cr) [b]5.2: Low Augmentations:[/b] Access Jacks, Chameleon Skin, Enhanced Hearing, Enhanced Pheromones, Enhanced Respiration, Enhanced Vision, Grip Pads, Lateral Line, Medichines, Oxygen Reserve (250 Cr) [b]5.3: Moderate Augmentations:[/b] Circadian Regulation, Clean Metabolism, Cyberbrain, Basic Mesh Inserts, Basic Biomods, Cortical Stack, Bioweave Armor (Heavy), Skinflex, Synthetic Mask (1,000 Cr) [b]5.4: High Augmentations:[/b] Vacuum Sealing (5,000 Cr) [b]5.5: Expensive Augmentations:[/b] (None) [b]5.6: Morph Advantages:[/b] Natural Weapon (3d10 DV, AP -5), 6.5 Limbs, Gigantic Slither Tail Real CP Cost: 30 [b]6: Positive Morph Traits:[/b] Real CP Cost: 40 CP Limber Level 2 (20 CP), Striking Looks (Level 2) (20 CP), [b]7: Negative Morph Traits:[/b] Real CP Cost: -15 CP Social Stigma (Pod) (-10 CP), Fast Metabolism (-5 CP) [b]7.5: Neutral Traits:[/b] Non-Mamamalian Biochemistry, Snake Mobility System (4/16), Large size [b]8: Aptitude Bonuses:[/b] +10 SOM, +5 REF, +5 COO, +5 to one other Aptitude Real CP Cost: 213 [b]9: Synthmorph Characteristics:[/b] Real CP Cost: 0 (Not a Synth) [b]10: Adjusted CP Cost:[/b] 85 Total CP Cost: 254 (338*.25=84.5) [b]11: No full-price augmentations or traits.[/b] Full CP Cost: 85 [b]12: Clanking Masses Trait:[/b] Not present [b]13: Final Credit Cost:[/b] 85,000

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Fri, 2014-06-27 20:39

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I recommend that you remove

Edit: This thread wasn't marked NSFW in the title when I got involved. Things went from bad to worse before that was figured out. I wouldn't have got involved if I had known that when I first saw this thread. I recommend that you remove the "special" sexual features that you've decided to make standard feature. I don't care if the morph is of scum origin. There are some things that are too vulgar, offensive, or shocking to be the norm in most morphs. Such things should be left for niche morphs, or as optional features for other morphs. The scum can be too offensive and shocking for their own good sometimes... New comers might be scared away the moment they peak in. I don't think I should remind you how badly things ended for the pig tit/catsuit thread(s) after the Transhuman book was releases roughly a year ago.

Sat, 2014-06-28 03:08

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DivineWrath wrote:I recommend

DivineWrath wrote:
I recommend that you remove the "special" sexual features that you've decided to make standard feature. I don't care if the morph is of scum origin. There are some things that are too vulgar, offensive, or shocking to be the norm in most morphs. Such things should be left for niche morphs, or as optional features for other morphs.

And I [b]don't[/b] think I'll be taking your recommendation, because this is something I brewed up for my campaign, of Scum origin to suit Scum needs, and you're neither a moderator nor a member of posthuman studios.

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The scum can be too offensive and shocking for their own good sometimes... New comers might be scared away the moment they peak in. I don't think I should remind you how badly things ended for the pig tit/catsuit thread(s) after the Transhuman book was releases roughly a year ago.

You do, actually, because I wasn't here for that.

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Sat, 2014-06-28 06:44

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ShadowDragon8685 wrote

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
DivineWrath wrote:
I recommend that you remove the "special" sexual features that you've decided to make standard feature. I don't care if the morph is of scum origin. There are some things that are too vulgar, offensive, or shocking to be the norm in most morphs. Such things should be left for niche morphs, or as optional features for other morphs.
And I [b]don't[/b] think I'll be taking your recommendation, because this is something I brewed up for my campaign, of Scum origin to suit Scum needs, and you're neither a moderator nor a member of posthuman studios.

I did not intend to appear to be someone with the authority to tell you what you should be doing on these forums (if I somehow appeared that way), nor did I intend to offend you. You saw fit to post your material and I saw fit to criticize it. I assumed that you posted your material with the intent to be used by others, so I offered a suggestion to increase its usability in other settings. If you do not desire such things then I see little reason to stick around and comment further.

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The scum can be too offensive and shocking for their own good sometimes... New comers might be scared away the moment they peak in. I don't think I should remind you how badly things ended for the pig tit/catsuit thread(s) after the Transhuman book was releases roughly a year ago.
You do, actually, because I wasn't here for that.

I would rather not get into details as it did not end well. The thread(s) got locked (long after they should have been) and may have influenced the decision to bring on moderators. All this because of a few people got riled up over what some might call offensive images in the book...

Sat, 2014-06-28 10:51

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DivineWrath wrote

DivineWrath wrote:
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
DivineWrath wrote:
I recommend that you remove the "special" sexual features that you've decided to make standard feature. I don't care if the morph is of scum origin. There are some things that are too vulgar, offensive, or shocking to be the norm in most morphs. Such things should be left for niche morphs, or as optional features for other morphs.
And I [b]don't[/b] think I'll be taking your recommendation, because this is something I brewed up for my campaign, of Scum origin to suit Scum needs, and you're neither a moderator nor a member of posthuman studios.
I did not intend to appear to be someone with the authority to tell you what you should be doing on these forums (if I somehow appeared that way), nor did I intend to offend you. You saw fit to post your material and I saw fit to criticize it. I assumed that you posted your material with the intent to be used by others, so I offered a suggestion to increase its usability in other settings. If you do not desire such things then I see little reason to stick around and comment further.

Funny, because you appeared to be delivering a commandment from astride a high horse, which was, itself, astride a soapbox. You also didn't criticize my material in any useful manner, such as pointing out grammatical mistakes, or noticing an error in the morph gen I might have made. You saw fit to criticize its entire concept, because it offends you. [b]Good.[/b] I'm glad it offends you, I'll be sure to make something else like it, because...

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The scum can be too offensive and shocking for their own good sometimes... New comers might be scared away the moment they peak in. I don't think I should remind you how badly things ended for the pig tit/catsuit thread(s) after the Transhuman book was releases roughly a year ago.
You do, actually, because I wasn't here for that.
I would rather not get into details as it did not end well. The thread(s) got locked (long after they should have been) and may have influenced the decision to bring on moderators. All this because of a few people got riled up over what some might call offensive images in the book...

Having looked up the very threads in question, [u]you[/u] are the very first person who got offended by, of all things, a Scum chemist in a six-breasted neopig, and started the shit in that case, too! No. No, I will [b]not[/b] cater or censor the things I make, for a game I love set in the middle of the 23rd century, for the game I am running or otherwise, to avoid inflaming the feelings of easily-offended early-21st-century conservatives, and if you want to talk about offense? I am [b][u]very[/u][/b] offended you trotted in here on your high horse to ask me to do so; how [i]dare[/i] you?! What gives [i]you[/i] the right to tell [u]me[/u] to temper the things I create because it [i]offends[/i] you?!

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Sat, 2014-06-28 11:27

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Glad to see everybody's offended

I feel like I'm going to regret even touching this, but here goes... Shadow, if you've got the right to post the specs for a scum morph, he's got the right to say 'that's kind of offensive.' Yeah, it's his opinion. Just like the idea that well equipped scum morphs are a good time is yours. Divine, this is a game that specifically includes the Jenkins morph. Whatever you think of the Scum, they are what they are and there is little in the way of physical mods that could be considered too shocking for them. And beyond any merit of your argument, telling people what they should do with their own designs for their own games is never going to go over terribly well.

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Sat, 2014-06-28 12:01

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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:No, I

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
No, I will [b]not[/b] cater or censor the things I make, for a game I love set in the middle of the 23rd century, for the game I am running or otherwise, to avoid inflaming the feelings of easily-offended early-21st-century conservatives, and if you want to talk about offense? I am [b][u]very[/u][/b] offended you trotted in here on your high horse to ask me to do so; how [i]dare[/i] you?! What gives [i]you[/i] the right to tell [u]me[/u] to temper the things I create because it [i]offends[/i] you?!

Perhaps because us easily-offended early-21st-century "conservatives" feel distinctly uncomfortable with the fact that some people think that writing about child-like snake-people with three meter long prehensile penises and vaginas capable of swallowing people whole is appropriate for a gaming forum? If you want criticism, the entire concept is stupid and juvenile and has little practical use. Saying that it's a feminine-presenting hermaphrodite is unnecessarily restrictive. Giving it Striking Looks 2 is far too much; the Sylph, a morph tailored for good appearance only has Striking Looks 1 as an innate feature. Synthetic Mask is unnecessary for a pod biomorph, and as written there's not really anything to cover up anyway. Medichines on an ordinary morph is just bloat. Likewise, Enhanced Vision, Enhanced Hearing, and Enhanced Pheromones are probably unnecessary with the concept in mind. Oh, yeah, and it's a morph whose main purpose seems to be "having a three-meter long prehensile penis" and "eating people whole with its vagina". That you can give a child-like appearance. I think that bears repeating as a problem with the design.

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Sat, 2014-06-28 12:42

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LatwPIAT wrote

LatwPIAT wrote:
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
No, I will [b]not[/b] cater or censor the things I make, for a game I love set in the middle of the 23rd century, for the game I am running or otherwise, to avoid inflaming the feelings of easily-offended early-21st-century conservatives, and if you want to talk about offense? I am [b][u]very[/u][/b] offended you trotted in here on your high horse to ask me to do so; how [i]dare[/i] you?! What gives [i]you[/i] the right to tell [u]me[/u] to temper the things I create because it [i]offends[/i] you?!
Perhaps because us easily-offended early-21st-century "conservatives" feel distinctly uncomfortable with the fact that some people think that writing about child-like snake-people with three meter long prehensile penises and vaginas capable of swallowing people whole is appropriate for a gaming forum?* If you want criticism, the entire concept is stupid and juvenile and has little practical use.⁑ Saying that it's a feminine-presenting hermaphrodite is unnecessarily restrictive.⊛ Giving it Striking Looks 2 is far too much; the Sylph, a morph tailored for good appearance only has Striking Looks 1 as an innate feature.✣ Synthetic Mask is unnecessary for a pod biomorph, and as written there's not really anything to cover up anyway.✺ Medichines on an ordinary morph is just bloat.✠ Likewise, Enhanced Vision, Enhanced Hearing, and Enhanced Pheromones are probably unnecessary with the concept in mind.✝ Oh, yeah, and it's a morph whose main purpose seems to be "having a three-meter long prehensile penis"☩ and "eating people whole with its vagina".☦ That you can give a child-like appearance.☨ I think that bears repeating as a problem with the design.╳

* These are the gaming forums for Eclipse Phase, a game [i]setting[/i] which is in no way, shape, or form, afraid to acknowledge or even encourage the fact that in the mid-22nd century, people get up to all kinds of freaky sex and, in fact, have gone out of their way to [i]engineer entirely new bodies specifically for the purpose of having freaky sex.[/i]

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CARNIVAL OF THE GOAT The flagship for hedonism and creative body switching, the Carnival is known even among the scum for the sexual deviancy of its residents. This swarm has attracted some of the most artistic biosculptors in the system, who compete with each other to devise outlandish and interesting bio-mods. While you can find morphs with two penises or a pair of extra tits on the back in any swarm, the Carnival’s bod-modders scoff at such lack of inventiveness, and will point you towards their latest creations with their [u]stream of auto-erotic, self-penetrating, multi-orifice, unending orgasm, and distance ejaculation features.[/u] Morphs have been sculpted to enhance and explore almost every conceivable fetish, plus a few inconceivable ones. Carnie scum are prolific resleevers, many trying out a new skin on a daily basis. Some go even further, experimenting with multi-ego cohabitation, ego-merging, and similar mind and body games. The Carnival circulates primarily through the Main Belt, occasionally veering out towards Mars or the Jovian Trojans. Residents rotate through various leadership positions for the swarm, ensuring that no one accumulates too much authority.

Underlined section: [i]not[/i] my work. Merely my inspiration. ⁑ What in the world about this thing struck you as thinking that "practical applications" was even on the designer's agenda? It's [i]highly[/i] impractical, that's kind of the point. ⊛ It is, but that's more of an in-game criticism. There are Scum who don't like it because they want to be a giant-shouldered, flat-chested behemoth of a snake-[i]man[/i] with a three-meter penis and no person-swallowing vagina, and they've already sent in their reputation dings to the designers and have launched their own projects to make just that. But for now, this is what you get. ✣ I'm sorry, what part about "nine-meter-long giant snake woman" strikes you as particularly [i]subtle[/i], even on a Scum swarm? Besides, Slyphs are so common that of course they're going to only be Striking Looks 1; sure, that particular Slyph may be impressively pretty, but in a sea of Slyphs, she's just one pretty face in the crowd. Whereas if you put [i]this[/i] in a sea of Slyphs, every single observer who has been blessed with the gift of [i]sight[/i] will take immediate notice. ✺ They didn't want the seams to show, obviously. That's really the only reason for it. ✠ Medichines are [i]never[/i] a bloat. Frankly, I consider them a standard inclusion in any morph which doesn't originate in the Junta, because medichines are the difference between resleeving and being resuscitated in a healing vat. That's kind of a big selling point when morphs are at a premium, and even moreso when you live somewhere that death by decompression is an everyday hazard. It also only costs an effective 250cr to incorporate them into a morph from the start, versus 1,000 to incorporate as an aftermarket addition. So really, on any anarchist habitat, any Scum hab, or the Titanian Commonwealth, they should just be a standard inclusion. ✝ Enhanced Vision and Enhanced Hearing give it those extra-snakelike senses (that's also the reason for the lateral line.) That's important for this morph; enhanced Pheremones because [i]duh[/i], this is a morph made for sex! You want those for the same reason Slyphs have them. ☩ Some people find that sexy, like me. That was put in there to cater to them. Also, quote one of my players, tentacle-cocks only make sense on a Scum Swarm, because having sex in zero-G is hard. ☦ Some people find that sexy. Not me, but it's not in there to cater to me, it's in there to cater to them. Also, I'm 100% sure that if any of my players wind up sleeved in one of these morphs, they're going to use that feature to smuggle something. It's also in there for that. ☨ If you turn to page 141 of [i]Eclipse Phase[/i], you will find the description of the Neotenic morph. If you scroll down just [i]one page further[/i], you will find a picture of an [i]obviously nude[/i] Neotenic morph, very carefully art-designed into the core book in such a way as to violate all forms of good taste without [i]quite[/i] violating the law in places which get uptight about depictions of nude children. So really, why should people have to choose between having an exotic sex morph and being able to have a childlike body to have sex with when you can do both? Quite frankly, I expect that you can get literally any morph you name in a Neotenic variant. ╳ I think it bears repeating that literally everything you've cited as a problem with the design is, in fact, a [i]selling point[/i], the morph's raison d'être. Except maybe the medichines, those are, I think, to morphs what seatbelts and airbags are to cars. Still, at least you enunciated your criticisms in a clear and direct manner.

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Sat, 2014-06-28 13:39

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LatwPIAT

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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:These

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
These are the gaming forums for Eclipse Phase, a game [i]setting[/i] which is in no way, shape, or form, afraid to acknowledge or even encourage the fact that in the mid-22nd century, people get up to all kinds of freaky sex and, in fact, have gone out of their way to [i]engineer entirely new bodies specifically for the purpose of having freaky sex.[/i]

Just because the game points out something is [i]possible[/i], or [i]happens[/i], does not mean that it warrants in-depth public discussion, or for that matter, blatant out-of-universe fetishization. Much like [i]Werewolf: the Apocalypse[/i] forums doesn't need or want in-depth mechanics for or discussions about the merits of wolf-fucking. Likewise, I sincerely hope that D&D forums don't descend into lavish, drooling descriptions of demonic rape-camps for churning out Tieflings, even though this is a thing you can do. We live in the real world, but Current Events forums tend to avoid masturbatory posts about child slavery and prostitution, even though that's a thing that happens alarmingly often in the real world. In short, just because something is acknowledged or mentioned as part of a setting doesn't mean that it's not ridiculously creepy to elaborate on the topic on a public forum.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
What in the world about this thing struck you as thinking that "practical applications" was even on the designer's agenda? It's [i]highly[/i] impractical, that's kind of the point.

Because, much like the morphs with "stream of auto-erotic, self-penetrating, multi-orifice, unending orgasm, and distance ejaculation features" were not given stats in [i]Rimward[/i], this morph probably didn't need to have published stats either.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
It is, but that's more of an in-game criticism. There are Scum who don't like it because they want to be a giant-shouldered, flat-chested behemoth of a snake-[i]man[/i] with a three-meter penis and no person-swallowing vagina, and they've already sent in their reputation dings to the designers and have launched their own projects to make just that. But for now, this is what you get.

It's unnecessarily restrictive in the sense that, as a design for players to actually use, you're unnecessarily limiting their freedom of choice. There seems to be no reason to restrict the design to feminine-looking other than superficial fluff and the fact that you wanted it to be female.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
I'm sorry, what part about "nine-meter-long giant snake woman" strikes you as particularly [i]subtle[/i], even on a Scum swarm? Besides, Slyphs are so common that of course they're going to only be Striking Looks 1; sure, that particular Slyph may be impressively pretty, but in a sea of Slyphs, she's just one pretty face in the crowd. Whereas if you put [i]this[/i] in a sea of Slyphs, every single observer who has been blessed with the gift of [i]sight[/i] will take immediate notice.

That's not how Striking Looks works. Striking Looks gives you a bonus to social situations because you're "attractive", "alluring", or because of your "beauty" and other words like that. It's not a "Conspicuous" trait, it's an "I'm good-looking so people are more convinced by me"-trait. Besides, the fact that a morph (the Sylph) being [i]specifically engineered for attractiveness[/i] not managing to attain Striking Looks 2 by default should inform you that, perhaps, Striking Looks 2 is not easy to acquire. Unattractive 3 people also stand out in a crowd.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
Medichines are [i]never[/i] a bloat. Frankly, I consider them a standard inclusion in any morph which doesn't originate in the Junta, because medichines are the difference between resleeving and being resuscitated in a healing vat. That's kind of a big selling point when morphs are at a premium, and even moreso when you live somewhere that death by decompression is an everyday hazard. It also only costs an effective 250cr to incorporate them into a morph from the start, versus 1,000 to incorporate as an aftermarket addition. So really, on any anarchist habitat, any Scum hab, or the Titanian Commonwealth, they should just be a standard inclusion.

It's a good augmentation, I don't deny that, but I don't see why it should be included as a default implant; the morphs in the books generally don't have it, which tells us it's not standard to include in a morph design. (And hence, that a design in line with the books should probably not have medicines just because it's useful.)

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
If you turn to page 141 of [i]Eclipse Phase[/i], you will find the description of the Neotenic morph. If you scroll down just [i]one page further[/i], you will find a picture of an [i]obviously nude[/i] Neotenic morph, very carefully art-designed into the core book in such a way as to violate all forms of good taste without [i]quite[/i] violating the law in places which get uptight about depictions of nude children. So really, why should people have to choose between having an exotic sex morph and being able to have a childlike body to have sex with when you can do both? Quite frankly, I expect that you can get literally any morph you name in a Neotenic variant.

(bold emphasis mine) You seem rather affectless about the whole "child pornography" thing. And, to repeat myself, just because the book mentions that there [i]are[/i] child-like morphs, and that these are sometimes used for sex work (which the book even notes is something some people find rather distasteful), does not mean that elaborate descriptions of hermaphroditic penis-tentacle vore-lolis is just "more of the same".

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Sat, 2014-06-28 14:34

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Wow, guys, can we just take a

Wow, guys, can we just take a step back for a moment? Shadow, is there a reference here I'm missing? I looked up lamia on wikipedia and got something totally different, although Google Images turned up a snake-lady (nothing about penises though). Also, are you presenting this for sharing, for criticism, or for another purpose?

Sat, 2014-06-28 14:36

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LatwPIAT wrote

LatwPIAT wrote:
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
These are the gaming forums for Eclipse Phase, a game [i]setting[/i] which is in no way, shape, or form, afraid to acknowledge or even encourage the fact that in the mid-22nd century, people get up to all kinds of freaky sex and, in fact, have gone out of their way to [i]engineer entirely new bodies specifically for the purpose of having freaky sex.[/i]
Just because the game points out something is [i]possible[/i], or [i]happens[/i], does not mean that it warrants in-depth public discussion, or for that matter, blatant out-of-universe fetishization.* Much like [i]Werewolf: the Apocalypse[/i] forums doesn't need or want in-depth mechanics for or discussions about the merits of wolf-fucking. Likewise, I sincerely hope that D&D forums don't descend into lavish, drooling descriptions of demonic rape-camps for churning out Tieflings, even though this is a thing you can do.⁑ We live in the real world, but Current Events forums tend to avoid masturbatory posts about child slavery and prostitution, even though that's a thing that happens alarmingly often in the real world.⊛ In short, just because something is acknowledged or mentioned as part of a setting doesn't mean that it's not ridiculously creepy to elaborate on the topic on a public forum.✣

* You're the one bringing the in-depth public discussion. And I'll also point out that it's blatent, in-universe fetishization. ⁑ Hahahahahahahahaaah. Google "The Nameless Lair of Ma-Ha-Suchi" sometime. Rape camps ahoy, for the express purpose of creating wolf-pattern beastmen hybrids, courtesy of the authors of Exalted, 2nd Edition. It is, in fact, something that happened in-universe, and so got a write-up. Also, read Compass of Celestial Directions: The Underworld, and look for the rapist rape brothel near the mouth of Oblivion. ⊛ Yes, because that's an awful thing that grossly violates the autonomy of people who are not yet old enough and informed enough to give consent to what's happening in the first place, and is, in fact, an atrocity, which should be condemned as such. Whereas this is not, it's just kink. ✣ You're perfectly free to fire yourself from this thread if you don't like it, or don't want to talk about it.

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What in the world about this thing struck you as thinking that "practical applications" was even on the designer's agenda? It's [i]highly[/i] impractical, that's kind of the point.
Because, much like the morphs with "stream of auto-erotic, self-penetrating, multi-orifice, unending orgasm, and distance ejaculation features" were not given stats in [i]Rimward[/i], this morph probably didn't need to have published stats either.µ

µ I'm actually trying to decide between writing those up as personal augmentations, and going down the list of core morphs, morph-by-morph, to calculate their costs per the [i]Transhuman[/i] morphgen costs, as my next project. I think I'll go with that, though.

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It is, but that's more of an in-game criticism. There are Scum who don't like it because they want to be a giant-shouldered, flat-chested behemoth of a snake-[i]man[/i] with a three-meter penis and no person-swallowing vagina, and they've already sent in their reputation dings to the designers and have launched their own projects to make just that. But for now, this is what you get.
It's unnecessarily restrictive in the sense that, as a design for players to actually use, you're unnecessarily limiting their freedom of choice. There seems to be no reason to restrict the design to feminine-looking other than superficial fluff and the fact that you wanted it to be female.¶

¶>Ahem< [i][u]Furies[/u][/i], >Ahem<. And in fact, this has a much better reason to be restricted to feminine designs: because a [i]very non-trivial integral part of the morph[/i], that being the enormous hollow vagina capable of smuggling people or rocket launchers, is not present and would not make a damn lick of sense, on a masculine morph. Of course, you could always make it a cuntboi morph, and I'm sure that, even as that objection is being brought up in-universe, some Scum morph-maker is hard at work creating just that.

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I'm sorry, what part about "nine-meter-long giant snake woman" strikes you as particularly [i]subtle[/i], even on a Scum swarm? Besides, Slyphs are so common that of course they're going to only be Striking Looks 1; sure, that particular Slyph may be impressively pretty, but in a sea of Slyphs, she's just one pretty face in the crowd. Whereas if you put [i]this[/i] in a sea of Slyphs, every single observer who has been blessed with the gift of [i]sight[/i] will take immediate notice.
That's not how Striking Looks works. Striking Looks gives you a bonus to social situations because you're "attractive", "alluring", or because of your "beauty" and other words like that.÷ It's not a "Conspicuous" trait, it's an "I'm good-looking so people are more convinced by me"-trait.ø Besides, the fact that a morph (the Sylph) being [i]specifically engineered for attractiveness[/i] not managing to attain Striking Looks 2 by default should inform you that, perhaps, Striking Looks 2 is not easy to acquire.± Unattractive 3 people also stand out in a crowd.¤

÷ And it's an excessively-attractive, alluring and exotic gigantic snake-woman. If that doesn't justify Striking Looks 2, then [i]literally nothing does[/i] and thus, the Trait shouldn't be in print at all. It paid for the trait in CP, so tough. ø Part of being good-looking is being conspicuous. Put Marilyn Munroe, Kiera Knightly, HM the Queen Elizabeth II of England, and Halle Berry together (this will require a TARDIS to achieve,) in business attire in a cafe full of business people dressed in business attire and nobody will see more than a quartet of businessladies having breakfast. When a gigantic snake-woman slithers through the cafe to get some quiche, however, [i]everybody[/i] will look up, and will go "Damn, that's a pretty woman," followed by "HOLY SHIT THAT'S A GIGANTIC FUCKING SNAKE with a pretty woman on top!" ± It's exactly twice as difficult, or as expensive, as Striking Looks 1. ¤ Yes, they do! And they get their bonuses (or penalties, in this case,) accordingly.

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Medichines are [i]never[/i] a bloat. Frankly, I consider them a standard inclusion in any morph which doesn't originate in the Junta, because medichines are the difference between resleeving and being resuscitated in a healing vat. That's kind of a big selling point when morphs are at a premium, and even moreso when you live somewhere that death by decompression is an everyday hazard. It also only costs an effective 250cr to incorporate them into a morph from the start, versus 1,000 to incorporate as an aftermarket addition. So really, on any anarchist habitat, any Scum hab, or the Titanian Commonwealth, they should just be a standard inclusion.
It's a good augmentation, I don't deny that, but I don't see why it should be included as a default implant; the morphs in the books generally don't have it, which tells us it's not standard to include in a morph design. (And hence, that a design in line with the books should probably not have medicines just because it's useful.)≬

≬ It's not "a good augmentation," it's a "no fucking duh" augmentation, like Cortical Stacks or Basic Biomods or Basic Mesh Inserts. It's like seat belts and airbags on cars, and you will [b]never[/b] find a player who will [i]voluntarily[/i] forgo medichines on their morph. Ergo, it should be a stock aug, and probably will become so in a few years' time in-game; it's kind of surprising that it hasn't already.

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If you turn to page 141 of [i]Eclipse Phase[/i], you will find the description of the Neotenic morph. If you scroll down just [i]one page further[/i], you will find a picture of an [i]obviously nude[/i] Neotenic morph, very carefully art-designed into the core book in such a way as to violate all forms of good taste without [i]quite[/i] violating the law in places which get uptight about depictions of nude children. So really, why should people have to choose between having an exotic sex morph and being able to have a childlike body to have sex with when you can do both? Quite frankly, I expect that you can get literally any morph you name in a Neotenic variant.
(bold emphasis mine) You seem rather affectless about the whole "child pornography" thing.⊱ And, to repeat myself, just because the book mentions that there [i]are[/i] child-like morphs, and that these are sometimes used for sex work (which the book even notes is something some people find rather distasteful), does not mean that elaborate descriptions of hermaphroditic penis-tentacle vore-lolis is just "more of the same".∵

⊱ Let me be clear, and please don't twist this: As long as no persons were harmed in the making of something, I don't give a rat's ass what people choose to masturbate to. As long as all persons involved are old enough and intelligent enough to be informed enough to consent to what they do, I don't give a rat's ass what they do, whether they want to pretend to be an eight year old being molested by an old-timey preacher-man, or engage in auto-erotic explosive decompression. ∵ Not only does it mention that Neotenic morphs exist (and I'm quite sure that the people who have a problem with neotenic morphs being used in sex work would probably flip their lids if they ever had to set foot on a Scum swarm,) it gives them stats, which is what I've done, and pictures∴ to boot. It was also important to give a description of the genitalia of the Marilith morph because, player characters being player characters, it's pretty much a certainty that they'll wind up using its prehensile penis as a tow cable or to anchor themselves to something, and will wind up smuggling some kind of heavy weapons inside its cavity. ∴ I'm actually tempted, now, to commission one or several of the fine artists on Hentaifoundry to draw a full range of the Marilith morph and its variants, demonstrating their special features.

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Sat, 2014-06-28 14:49

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nezumi.hebereke wrote:Wow,

nezumi.hebereke wrote:
Wow, guys, can we just take a step back for a moment?ｳ Shadow, is there a reference here I'm missing? I looked up lamia on wikipedia and got something totally different, although Google Images turned up a snake-ladyｦ (nothing about penises thoughﾎ). Also, are you presenting this for sharing, for criticism, or for another purpose?ﾀ

ｳ I'm sitting down. Do I have to get up? I dunwanna. :( ｦ [url=http://www.hentai-foundry.com/pictures/user/SeekGr/281252/Downward-half-... is an example[/url] of a Lamia, as I'm using the term. This link is [b]VERY NOT SAFE FOR WORK.[/b] That's how most non-D&D RPGs have known it for at least since I've been gaming, which was, oh, about 1999 or so, I'd reckon. [url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v323/ShadowDragon8685/LiddaxMarilith.j... is an example of a Marilith as well, and is also [b]VERY NOT SAFE FOR WORK.[/b] It also features what is ostensibly an adult halfling, but I was using her as an adult transhuman for scale when I was envisioning the thing. ﾎ The thing with the prehensile super-long penises is something of my own devising, from years and years ago, it was what I came up with to explain how women-on-top-tube-like-thing-below (snake-women, mermaids, etc.,) could have sex. The hermaphroditism is also a "me" thing, but a more general "me" thing; see also, any character I make. The start point was "it's a hermaphrodite," then the train of thought went from there to "having a penis hanging out all the time would be rough as hell on a snake-woman, and introduce aquadynamic drag on a mermaid; I know, internally-held!" and from there it went "why have two genital slits when it could just have the penis inside the vagina!" That penis coiled up inside the vagina thing wasn't actually something I came up with on my own, it was inspired by someone's character on an old Furry MU* ages and ages ago.) Now you know. There was thought put into this. The hanging out thing would be equally rough on a Scum swarm. Metal surfaces, knobs and pipes, general things to bang it on or get it caught on whilst free-falling... ﾀ Primarily for sharing, and hoping that others will post [i]their[/i] weird morph designs. [i]Useful[/i] criticisms (like the questioning of the medichines aug,) are also handy, though I've explained my reasoning on that one (twice, now.) But now, I've come under attack for it and am quite vested in defending my creation, as any creator or author would be.

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Sat, 2014-06-28 15:18

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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:* You

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* You're the one bringing the in-depth public discussion.

Don't even try it. You're the one who thought it was a good idea to detail your fetishistic creations in public; don't blame that on me.

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⁑ Hahahahahahahahaaah. Google "The Nameless Lair of Ma-Ha-Suchi" sometime. Rape camps ahoy, for the express purpose of creating wolf-pattern beastmen hybrids, courtesy of the authors of Exalted, 2nd Edition. It is, in fact, something that happened in-universe, and so got a write-up. Also, read Compass of Celestial Directions: The Underworld, and look for the rapist rape brothel near the mouth of Oblivion.

So... uh... you're using one of the most reviled, condemned, and disliked things to ever come out of Exated 2E's fluff, [i]because of how creepy it is[/i], as an example of why writing up and publishing hemaphroditic vore-lolis is OK? The Lair of Ha-Ma-Suchi is one of those things Exalted forums tend to not need or want. See also: Infernals chapter 1 and 2.

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>Ahem< [i][u]Furies[/u][/i], >Ahem<.

Furies "tend to be biologically female". Your creation just is a feminine-looking hermaphrodite, or rather, a female torso stuck on top of some bizarre biological concoction. There's a great difference between Furies, which can have any sex the player wants, and your creation, which cannot.

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And in fact, this has a much better reason to be restricted to feminine designs: because a [i]very non-trivial integral part of the morph[/i], that being the enormous hollow vagina capable of smuggling people or rocket launchers, is not present and would not make a damn lick of sense, on a masculine morph. [b]Of course, you could always make it a cuntboi morph, and I'm sure that, even as that objection is being brought up in-universe, some Scum morph-maker is hard at work creating just that.[/b]

Then why didn't you include that as part of your writeup? "Can appear to be either, both, or neither sex, but will always have the three-meter prehensile penis inside the person-swallowing vagina". You seem myopically married to the concept of your hermaphroditic snake-woman darling, even when there is nothing in the way of making the concept more open to player choice.

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And it's an excessively-attractive, alluring and exotic gigantic snake-woman. If that doesn't justify Striking Looks 2, then [i]literally nothing does[/i] and thus, the Trait shouldn't be in print at all. It paid for the trait in CP, so tough.

[i]"Sylph gene sequences are specifically designed for distinctive good looks."[/i] [i]"In an age where biosculpting is easy, good looks are both cheap and commonplace. This morph, however, possesses a physical look that can only be described as striking and unusual, but also somehow alluring and fascinating—even the gorgeous and chiseled glitterati take notice. On social skill tests where the character’s beauty may affect the outcome, they receive a +10 (for Level 1) or +20 (for Level 2) modifier."[/i] Are you really trying to tell me that a bunch of Scum genehackers churned out a morph that, despite the best efforts of everyone [i]else[/i], manages to be so attractive that it warrants a +20 bonus to social interaction, [i]in spite of being a ginormous snake-woman[/i]?

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Part of being good-looking is being conspicuous. Put Marilyn Munroe, Kiera Knightly, HM the Queen Elizabeth II of England, and Halle Berry together (this will require a TARDIS to achieve,) in business attire in a cafe full of business people dressed in business attire and nobody will see more than a quartet of businessladies having breakfast. When a gigantic snake-woman slithers through the cafe to get some quiche, however, [i]everybody[/i] will look up, and will go "Damn, that's a pretty woman," followed by "HOLY SHIT THAT'S A GIGANTIC FUCKING SNAKE with a pretty woman on top!"

Yet, somehow, Unattractive 3 people do not get a bonus to their social skills, despite being conspicuous. The fact is, just being conspicuous doesn't [i]make[/i] you more attractive, and certain elements detract from common conceptions of attractiveness. Such as, for example, being half-snake.

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It's not "a good augmentation," it's a "no fucking duh" augmentation, like Cortical Stacks or Basic Biomods or Basic Mesh Inserts. It's like seat belts and airbags on cars, and you will [b]never[/b] find a player who will [i]voluntarily[/i] forgo medichines on their morph. Ergo, it should be a stock aug, and probably will become so in a few years' time in-game; it's kind of surprising that it hasn't already.

I've had several players who didn't pick medichines for their morphs. It was not, necessarily, the optimal choice, but your claim that no player would ever go without is without merit. Secondly, within the context of the [i]Eclipse Phase[/i] universe, medichines are something that are [i]not[/i] standard equipment on morphs. Hence giving a morph medichines just because it's useful is not how morphs are designed from both an in-universe and out-of-universe perspective.

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Not only does it mention that Neotenic morphs exist (and I'm quite sure that the people who have a problem with neotenic morphs being used in sex work would probably flip their lids if they ever had to set foot on a Scum swarm,) it gives them stats, which is what I've done, and pictures

It mentions that the Neotenic morphs exist, depicts them, and gives them stats. This is [i]not[/i] the same as elaborating at length about their genitalia and their fetishistic uses, which is what you've done.

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Sat, 2014-06-28 16:12

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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:Having

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Having looked up the very threads in question, [u]you[/u] are the very first person who got offended by, of all things, a Scum chemist in a six-breasted neopig, and started the shit in that case, too!

I also later end up saying (in the same thread) that the fact that I do at times react like an intolerant Christian, that it is not one of my best qualities, and that I do try to resist those urges (or something like that). And yes, when I do get offended or see something NSFW in a location that isn't for such stuff, I feel compelled to point it out. I also stopped participating in those thread(s) before things got really bad. I'm going to leave this thread since I see nothing good coming out of this continued discussion.

nezumi.hebereke wrote:
Also, are you presenting this for sharing, for criticism, or for another purpose?

I don't think it is. If it was, I think the thread would have been less... heated. A shame, since I think that there would be a market for fantasy morphs. Pre-packaging them to suit certain sexual fantasies narrows the market (as does making them difficult to modify). Maybe I'll make my own thread for fantasy morphs.

Sat, 2014-06-28 18:24

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And I who just wanted to go to bed...

[color=red]Alright people. There's been some posts here with a tone that is definitely steering towards the realm where we don't want it to be.[/color] [color=red]Please assume that your fellow forumites are posting with the best of intentions and read their posts as such. Don't be hostile or post in anger (wait until you calm down if it's an issue).[/color] [color=red]Try to understand where other people are coming from and discuss in a calm and friendly way.[/color] [color=red]I'll be back in some 24 hours and hope that I don't have to ban anyone.[/color] [color=red]Also, while there's currently no policy on sex-related posts (except that I won't allow pornography or the like) apart from the standard "behave in a polite/mature manner",[/color] [color=lime][b]ShadowDragon8685[/b][/color] [color=red]if you would kindly mark in the beginning of your post "Scum sex fetish morph" for those of us unfamiliar with the "lamia" we might avoid half the issues here.[/color] [color=red]Thank you all in advance.[/color]

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Sat, 2014-06-28 20:23

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LatwPIAT wrote

LatwPIAT wrote:
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
* You're the one bringing the in-depth public discussion.
Don't even try it. You're the one who thought it was a good idea to detail your fetishistic creations in public; don't blame that on me.﷼
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
⁑ Hahahahahahahahaaah. Google "The Nameless Lair of Ma-Ha-Suchi" sometime. Rape camps ahoy, for the express purpose of creating wolf-pattern beastmen hybrids, courtesy of the authors of Exalted, 2nd Edition. It is, in fact, something that happened in-universe, and so got a write-up. Also, read Compass of Celestial Directions: The Underworld, and look for the rapist rape brothel near the mouth of Oblivion.
So... uh... you're using one of the most reviled, condemned, and disliked things to ever come out of Exated 2E's fluff, [i]because of how creepy it is[/i], as an example of why writing up and publishing hemaphroditic vore-lolis is OK?兀 The Lair of Ha-Ma-Suchi is one of those things Exalted forums tend to not need or want. See also: Infernals chapter 1 and 2.立
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>Ahem< [i][u]Furies[/u][/i], >Ahem<.
Furies "tend to be biologically female".了 Your creation just is a feminine-looking hermaphrodite, or rather, a female torso stuck on top of some bizarre biological concoction.衤 There's a great difference between Furies, which can have any sex the player wants, and your creation, which cannot.衣
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And in fact, this has a much better reason to be restricted to feminine designs: because a [i]very non-trivial integral part of the morph[/i], that being the enormous hollow vagina capable of smuggling people or rocket launchers, is not present and would not make a damn lick of sense, on a masculine morph. [b]Of course, you could always make it a cuntboi morph, and I'm sure that, even as that objection is being brought up in-universe, some Scum morph-maker is hard at work creating just that.[/b]
Then why didn't you include that as part of your writeup? "Can appear to be either, both, or neither sex, but will always have the three-meter prehensile penis inside the person-swallowing vagina".臼 You seem myopically married to the concept of your hermaphroditic snake-woman darling, even when there is nothing in the way of making the concept more open to player choice.耂
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And it's an excessively-attractive, alluring and exotic gigantic snake-woman. If that doesn't justify Striking Looks 2, then [i]literally nothing does[/i] and thus, the Trait shouldn't be in print at all. It paid for the trait in CP, so tough.
[i]"Sylph gene sequences are specifically designed for distinctive good looks."[/i]父 [i]"In an age where biosculpting is easy, good looks are both cheap and commonplace. This morph, however, possesses a physical look that can only be described as striking and unusual, but also somehow alluring and fascinating—even the gorgeous and chiseled glitterati take notice. On social skill tests where the character’s beauty may affect the outcome, they receive a +10 (for Level 1) or +20 (for Level 2) modifier."[/i]爫 Are you really trying to tell me that a bunch of Scum genehackers churned out a morph that, despite the best efforts of everyone [i]else[/i], manages to be so attractive that it warrants a +20 bonus to social interaction, [i]in spite of being a ginormous snake-woman[/i]?正
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Part of being good-looking is being conspicuous. Put Marilyn Munroe, Kiera Knightly, HM the Queen Elizabeth II of England, and Halle Berry together (this will require a TARDIS to achieve,) in business attire in a cafe full of business people dressed in business attire and nobody will see more than a quartet of businessladies having breakfast. When a gigantic snake-woman slithers through the cafe to get some quiche, however, [i]everybody[/i] will look up, and will go "Damn, that's a pretty woman," followed by "HOLY SHIT THAT'S A GIGANTIC FUCKING SNAKE with a pretty woman on top!"
Yet, somehow, Unattractive 3 people do not get a bonus to their social skills, despite being conspicuous. The fact is, just being conspicuous doesn't [i]make[/i] you more attractive, and certain elements detract from common conceptions of attractiveness. Such as, for example, being half-snake.彑
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It's not "a good augmentation," it's a "no fucking duh" augmentation, like Cortical Stacks or Basic Biomods or Basic Mesh Inserts. It's like seat belts and airbags on cars, and you will [b]never[/b] find a player who will [i]voluntarily[/i] forgo medichines on their morph. Ergo, it should be a stock aug, and probably will become so in a few years' time in-game; it's kind of surprising that it hasn't already.
I've had several players who didn't pick medichines for their morphs. It was not, necessarily, the optimal choice, but your claim that no player would ever go without is without merit.宀 Secondly, within the context of the [i]Eclipse Phase[/i] universe, medichines are something that are [i]not[/i] standard equipment on morphs. Hence giving a morph medichines just because it's useful is not how morphs are designed from both an in-universe and out-of-universe perspective.宇
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Not only does it mention that Neotenic morphs exist (and I'm quite sure that the people who have a problem with neotenic morphs being used in sex work would probably flip their lids if they ever had to set foot on a Scum swarm,) it gives them stats, which is what I've done, and pictures
It mentions that the Neotenic morphs exist, depicts them, and gives them stats. This is [i]not[/i] the same as elaborating at length about their genitalia and their fetishistic uses, which is what you've done.口

﷼ You’re the one who decided to leap astride your [i][u]moralistic, condemnatory high horse[/u][/i] and start expounding upon the evils of my creations, my ideas, and by extension, me. So yes, I will blame that on you. 兀 I love that word, “Creepy.” In the most sarcastic use of the word “love” possible. What it really means is “I can’t handle what I’m seeing, you should be silenced!” Well get over it. I’m not creeping on you, or on anybody else. 立 Funny, I loved all of those things. [i]Because they make the setting interesting.[/i] Sure, they’re not [i]good[/i] things, but they sure are things that happen, and I don’t agree with the standard north American view that blood and guts and torture is A-OK but god save us from teh cawk! Also, the main problem with Infernals 1 and 2 was that it stated in as many words that if you were playing an Infernal Exalt who had been taken to the Underworld, you’d been raped by all the Yozis. That was the main problem. Sure, there were a [i]host and legion[/i] of other problems, but the main problem was violating player autonomy like that. 了 Yes, they do. Because they’re impractical to make another way. 衤 The folks who sleeve into one would probably be rather [i]irate[/i] at the “bizarre biological concoction” implication. Am I detecting a latent hint of bioconservatism? 衣 Perhaps, but either way, that’s what they’ve got. If people in-character have a problem with it, they have many alternatives, including fixing the lack of options themselves, or prevailing upon others to do so, or cooking up a competing snake-man morph. 臼 Because that’s the way things shook out. The morph is supposed to be pretty new as of 10AF, and they wanted to get the first run out the door before looking into more variants than they already had. Why is this, of all things, such a problem for you? Oh, I get it. It goes back to your use of the word “creepy” earlier. This is you dancing around accusing me of being a creeper objectifying women, isn’t it? Would you feel better if I statted up a minotaur morph made for a brinker clade of he men woman haters? Then both genders could have their exclusive morph? Mmmh? No, didn’t think so. 耂 And if [i]my[/i] players have a problem with it, I’ll come up with a solution, probably in-character. 父 By a committee of hypercorp sociologist drones who have to worry about potentially offending people like you or DivineWrath and are constrained by the almighty bottom line, and also have to deal with executive meddling from above. 爫 Yep. That sure would be the description of the Striking Looks trait. 正 Yes, yes I am. Why in the world would you imagine that the Scum, the [i]ultimate hedonists of the setting[/i], would somehow be [i]less[/i] capable of creating a strikingly, awe-inspiringly beautiful ginormous snake-woman? I’d also point out that, in the very description you quoted, the exact words are, “On social skill tests where the character’s beauty may affect the outcome,” Clearly, if you’re trying to socially influence the sort of people who would be inclined to take notice of an exotic morph, then Striking Looks 2 is appropriate. If you’re trying to socially influence bioconservatives, though, it’s probably not going to add a penalty, no matter how beautiful many people would find the morph’s upper body. 彑 They do not, because the effects of the Unattractive 3 trait do not lend themselves to bonuses. Being conspicuous alone does not make you more attractive, but if you [io]are[/i] attractive, it lets you better leverage your attractiveness. It’s hard to get more conspicuous than “nine-meter long snake woman,” and once the snake-woman thing is drawing the eye, DAMN that’s a hot snake woman! Because Scum will shag just about anything. And even if they’re not personally interested, they’re still the type to go “Damn, that’s impressive!” 宀 Then your players are weird. Mine won’t even consider a morph without Medichines, because for their cost, they are the single most important thing to have behind a cortical stack and mesh inserts. Again, they’re like seatbelts in your car; having medichines is the difference between waking up in a healing vat and making an alienation and integration test. 宇 For no good reason, because quite frankly Medichines are in the exact same category as cortical stacks, which [i]are[/i] standard on every morph. They’re emergency lifesaving augmentations, with a number of general quality-of-life boosts that are very handy. That’s the kind of thing that if it isn’t a standard yet, soon will be. 口 I have not even [i]begun[/i] to elaborate. If I were to [i]really[/i] elaborate, I’d spend time talking about how the Marilith’s powerful physique is designed to elaborately constrict and grind against the person stuffed within, and the same vaginal cavity which allows that is lined with erogenous pleasure receptors to ensure that those who are sleeved into the morph can enjoy it, too. I’d go into detail about how the tentacle-penis is strong and controllable enough to actually continue up through the bowels of someone whose morph has been carefully “cleaned out” for that kind of penetration that was only imaginable in the minds of hentai artists in the early 21st century, and yet is flexible and stretch enough for a normal transhuman male to actually penetrate its tip. Trust me, “darling,” I’ve barely scratched the surface. I gave only the most important, salient details in the write-up, I could go on for pages.

DivineWrath wrote:
ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
Having looked up the very threads in question, [u]you[/u] are the very first person who got offended by, of all things, a Scum chemist in a six-breasted neopig, and started the shit in that case, too!
I also later end up saying (in the same thread) that the fact that I do at times react like an intolerant Christian,〶 that it is not one of my best qualities, and that I do try to resist those urges (or something like that).呆 And yes, when I do get offended or see something NSFW in a location that isn't for such stuff, I feel compelled to point it out.冫 I also stopped participating in those thread(s) before things got really bad.么 I'm going to leave this thread since I see nothing good coming out of this continued discussion.㋡
nezumi.hebereke wrote:
Also, are you presenting this for sharing, for criticism, or for another purpose?
I don't think it is. If it was, I think the thread would have been less... heated.〷 A shame, since I think that there would be a market for fantasy morphs.〄 Pre-packaging them to suit certain sexual fantasies narrows the market (as does making them difficult to modify).〆 Maybe I'll make my own thread for fantasy morphs.〠

〶 It shows, in the condemnatory tone. You should look to fixing that. 呆 Try harder next time. Try [i]really[/i] hard, like I do, refraining from slagging off Smokeskin or Alkahest every time I see one of them post in a thread. I don’t tell them what I [i]really[/i] think, I just bite my tongue and refrain from posting. You know that old saw, “if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all?” It’s corny, but in a textual discussion, it works. 冫 Really? Because nothing I’ve heard so far, except from those who are neither moderators nor members of PS+, has said that it’s not permissible to discuss such things here. Hell, we have ERP going on the In-Character forums, and you know what? I’m fine with that. Folks can do what they want to do, as long as they aren’t slagging others off. Try dismounting the high horse and stretching your legs, you’ll feel better. Or at least, others will feel better. 么 Starting shit and running does not constitute a graceful exit. An apology would be nice. ㋡ Not even so much as an apology, huh? Fare-thee-well, then, and don’t let the back button hit you in the arse on the way out. 〷 You and LatwPIAT turned up the heat. I made something I thought was cool, came to share it, and here I am having to [i]defend myself[/i] from the likes of you. 〄 There definately is. That’s why I made this. Oh, sorry, did you only mean “fantasy” as in “with origins in human myth and legend?” Because I meant both. 〆 Since the Scum aren’t out to sell these things, I don’t think that’s a big fucking deal. The folks who invented this thought it would be a cool thing to make, and they made it their way without giving a flying fuck what anyone else thought. They didn’t have to justify it to anybody, they didn’t have a marketing committee telling them to remove the integral features that made it what it is, and they didn’t have an executive meddling in it, and, most importantly of all, they didn’t have to worry about whether it would make the company millions and millions of credits. They just wanted to make a mother-fucking six-armed snake-woman with a tentacle dick and a vagina that can give an erotic full-body massage, and by gum, that’s what they made! 〠 That’s the way the Scum see it. Don’t like it? Go make your own!

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[color=red]Alright people. There's been some posts here with a tone that is definitely steering towards the realm where we don't want it to be.[/color]✑ [color=red]Please assume that your fellow forumites are posting with the best of intentions and read their posts as such. Don't be hostile or post in anger (wait until you calm down if it's an issue).[/color]✠ [color=red]Try to understand where other people are coming from and discuss in a calm and friendly way.[/color]✡ [color=red]I'll be back in some 24 hours and hope that I don't have to ban anyone.[/color]❦ [color=red]Also, while there's currently no policy on sex-related posts (except that I won't allow pornography or the like) apart from the standard "behave in a polite/mature manner",[/color] [color=lime][b]ShadowDragon8685[/b][/color] [color=red]if you would kindly mark in the beginning of your post "Scum sex fetish morph" for those of us unfamiliar with the "lamia" we might avoid half the issues here.[/color]❡ [color=red]Thank you all in advance.[/color]❅

✑ Don’t look at me. I came in here to share something I made that I thought was really awesome and fit right into the setting, and I got fucking jumped for it. ✠ Kind of hard to assume that when LatwPIAT is all but calling me a creeper directly. But I’ll try. ✡ I’ve stated where I’m coming from and why I’m upset I’ve been jumped on for this. Haven’t seen much from LatwPIAT on the topic. ❦ Pretty sure you won’t be banning me. It’s up to LatwPIAT and DivineWrath to see to it that you don’t ban them. [color=lime]❡[/color] Done. I marked the thread topic as NSFW. Good enough? ❅ Handing out thanks in advance is a ballsy move, but you’re welcome.

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Sat, 2014-06-28 22:57

#17

MAD Crab

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No, it's polite.

Taunting the mod is far more ballsy.

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Sun, 2014-06-29 00:33

#18

ShadowDragon8685 ShadowDragon8685's picture

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Uh... What?

Uh... What? [i]Taunting[/i] the mod? Where'd you get that from? o.0

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Sun, 2014-06-29 01:35

#19

thebluespectre thebluespectre's picture

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Hmm?

I can see this being a one-of-a-kind morph in a Scum swarm, yes. I'm reminded of the Farcast blog, where several more exotic morphs were marked as "unique" and not given full stats. Seeing a Unique morph given full stats is indeed interesting. Believe it or not, my gag reflex is very high for things like this, so I'm not super offended. It can be assumed that your PC designed this, and shi is… themself, in all their glory. As a thing your character would do, it makes sense. I'm having trouble imagining this as a thing that CATCHES ON, though, since Scum tend to do their own thing at any given time rather than copy others. Plus, as an 85 CP morph, it's freaking expensive and a Scum fleet could only likely afford enough resources for a few. The Marilith is likely the only one of its kind, and all the more wondrous for it. I only ask one favor. Please don't do the thing where you pick apart a user's post paragraph by paragraph. It may be more comfortable for you, but I've only ever seen it used to extend internet slap fights.

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Sun, 2014-06-29 03:45

#20

Seekerofshadowlight Seekerofshadowlight's picture

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Ok, this is a whole bag of

Ok, this is a whole bag of really odd. I do not see anything like this ever being massproduced, even by scum. a one off morph sure, even its really odd. I am gonna have to back your friend up on the Slithermorph Lamia, although really that would be a naga. "Lamia" was a person, well monster, person and not really a type of beast or a race of people. I like some of the others simply do not get why she has a snatch of holding and a 3 foot long penis, that can be used as a limb. Yeah dude that one is just out there even for scum. Now i also think you have given it far, far too many items for an "Off the rack" morph. I am unsure why a Biomorph pod needs a synthetic mask either. Stat wise I think you are way, way off based on the description you gave as well. Its far too alien and inhuman for it to have striking looks. You just seem to have given it everything and the kitchen sink for no reason. I would advise at going back and looking at what you want to do and remake this into something that is less "Perfect" and something that does not include little add ons that make no sense in a base Morph.

Sun, 2014-06-29 08:52

#21

ShadowDragon8685 ShadowDragon8685's picture

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thebluespectre wrote:I only

thebluespectre wrote:
[b]I only ask one favor. Please don't do the thing where you pick apart a user's post paragraph by paragraph. It may be more comfortable for you, but I've only ever seen it used to extend internet slap fights.[/b]

Then I’m sorry, but I’m not going to respond to your post (except to tell you that I’m not going to respond,) if you’re telling me how to format my responses.

Seekerofshadowlight wrote:
Ok, this is a whole bag of really odd.♮ I do not see anything like this ever being massproduced, even by scum. a one off morph sure, even its really odd.♬ I am gonna have to back your friend up on the Slithermorph Lamia, although really that would be a naga.♪ "Lamia" was a person, well monster, person and not really a type of beast or a race of people.♩ I like some of the others simply do not get why she has a snatch of holding and a 3 foot long penis, that can be used as a limb.♨ Yeah dude that one is just out there even for scum.♲ Now i also think you have given it far, far too many items for an "Off the rack" morph.✆ I am unsure why a Biomorph pod needs a synthetic mask either.✂ Stat wise I think you are way, way off based on the description you gave as well.♞ Its far too alien and inhuman for it to have striking looks.♝ You just seem to have given it everything and the kitchen sink for no reason.♜ I would advise at going back and looking at what you want to do and remake this into something that is less "Perfect" and something that does not include little add ons that make no sense in a base Morph.♛

♮ It was meant to be. It’s not to everyone’s taste, but these are Scum we’re talking about. It’s going to be to enough of their taste. ♬ Something doesn’t have to be mass-produced to be a production run of more than one, and that’s the beauty of open-sourcing the blueprints. Any given Swarm or anarchist habitat or whoever that has a collective get together, decide they want these morphs among them badly enough to procure the resources, repurpose the grow-tanks, and start putting them together, can do so. I don’t think you’d find more than a dozen on any given swarm, but you could find that dozen. Probably customized to suit the locals’ taste somehow. ♪ The slitheroid lamia would be insufficiently sized, and it would still have the slitheroid’s Droideka rolling trick, which doesn’t really fit this at all. That’s the truly poor man’s version. ♩ I’ve always seen the word used to refer to the classification of creature, and so has the player who gave me the idea for this. I’ve seen it used interchangeably with naga for just that purpose. ♨ Why? Because freaky sex, that’s why. Because some people get off on the idea of being completely enveloped by someone else, and of the choice between “eaten alive,” “shoved whole into a leviathian’s anus” and “shoved into a giant pussy,” this was the one I felt sufficiently un-squicked by to write up. And as for the tentacle limb; again, because freaky sex. There really isn’t, nor does there need to be, any more justification than that, but if you [i]want[/i] some kind of practical justification, the person sleeved into the lamia could use it for utilitarian purposes as they felt necessary. But really, the justifications [i]aren’t[/i] practical, they’re in the intimate possibilities it unlocks. ♲ Maybe a little out there for regular Scum, but not Carnie scum, who designed it. And on any given Swarm, there’s gonna be enough Carnie-inclined Scum to decide to have a few built. ✆ I disagree. Each and every single aug and advantage was chosen and carefully so. ✂ Because they didn’t want the pod seams showing, is that [i]really[/i] such a hard concept to grasp? 250cr during construction is the difference between pod seams disrupting the fantasy of a giant living snake-woman and not doing that. That’s really all the justification it needs. Remember, there [i]is[/i] a canon pod with synthetic mask for [i]exactly that reason[/i]. ♞ Uh... How do you figure? It’s really huge, so it has a SOM maxiumum of 40 and a +10 SOM bonus. It’s a snake, of course, so it has REF and COO maximums of 35 and the +5 bonus to each, and it was designed with sex as its primary function, so its cyberbrain was tweaked for social interactions, of which sex is a subset, hence the 35 max on Savvy. ♝ I’m sorry, where, exactly, in the description of the Striking Looks trait does it say that it can only possibly be applied to cisnormative-looking transhumans? This morph is the very definition of “striking,” and if you are the sort of person who would be disposed to consider it sexy, the great care which went into making it attractive will mean that its beauty justifies a +20 modifier on social interactions with you in which its beauty is a factor. If you’re the type of person who’d be freaked out by it, then it’s not going to apply in any event. ♜ I assure you, I have given it everything I gave it with [i]great[/i] care and attention. Shall I run down the list? I think I shall. Bioweave Armor (Heavy) [indent]Because heavy-duty snake scales are going to be tough and protective.[/indent] Circadian Regulation [indent]Because who has time for [i]sleep?![/i] This morph was made to be [i]active[/i]. So why [i]woulden’t[/i] it have circadian regulation?[/indent] Chameleon Skin [indent]Changing colors, obviously. Why head back to a tank, which would have to be a custom built tank, every time you just want to change the scale colors or skin pattern? It also enables ambush rape-play.[/indent] Clean Metabolism [indent]Because farts stink up a space-ship, because sex-sweat gets old after a few minutes, etc., etc. Basic quality-of-life aug here, one that anyone with the resources to build a complicated morph like this is going to put on anyway, so might as well save them the time and trouble of aftermarket modifying it by putting it in the base morph.[/indent] Cyberbrain [indent]Because obviously. Also, cyberbrain either implies the following, or they’re augs which literally every morph has, but still get listed.[/indent] [list] [*]Cortical Stack [*]Access Jacks [*]Basic Mesh Inserts [*]Basic Biomods [*]Mnemonic Augmentation[/list] Enhanced Hearing [indent]Hard to feel like a giant snake-woman with snake-like senses if you’re using ordinary human senses.[/indent] Enhanced Pheromones [indent]Do I [i]really[/i] need to explain why a morph whose primary purpose was to have freaky sex needs enhanced pheromones?[/indent] Enhanced Respiration [indent]Two reasons. One: this is a huge biomorph taking in air through ordinary human-type air pipes, so it’s necessary to enhance the respiration to ensure that oxygen is getting to the entirety of the tail. Two: this is a [i]Scum[/i] design. Depressurization and pressure drops/snaps are not uncommon occurrences, so why be inconvenienced by them?[/indent] Enhanced Vision [indent]Hard to feel like a giant snake-woman with snake-like senses if you’re using ordinary human senses.[/indent] Grip Pads [indent]How the hell else is it going to function in zero-gravity if it can’t grip onto surfaces? Hence, grip pads.[/indent] Lateral Line [indent]This is there to give the morph that extra, [i]primal[/i] sensation of low-frequency sound and vibrations.[/indent] Medichines [indent]Because [b]duh[/b]. Medichines might as well be a cortical stack in terms of life-saving equipment. You don’t say that only people who are [i]expecting[/i] to meet a violent end should have stacks, no; you give one to [i]everyone[/i], just in case. Well, Medichines are here for the same reason: so hopefully, if something bad [i]does[/i] happen, the person in the morph will be waking up in a healing vat with their morph repaired and ready to go, rather than waking up in a resleeving center, making Alienation and Integration tests. This is especially important if the morph is something expensive, rare, or both.[/indent] Oxygen Reserve [indent]This one’s an in-character example of feature creep, pure and simple. Once it was slated to have the bioweave armor and the enhanced respiration, the designers said “Well, hell, we might as well make it vacuum capable.” Because you never do know when you’re going to suddenly need to take a deep breath of fresh nothing, especially on a Scum Swarm.[/indent] Skin Pocket [indent]Because that’s what that huge, vore-capable vagina is called on the augmentation list.[/indent] Skinflex [indent]Even on a Scum swarm, there’s only going to be, at most, a double-handful of these morphs. Between Skinflex and Chameleon Skin, the morph doesn’t need to visit a healing vat if, say, you decide that you’re tired of being a green-scaled, caucasian redhead and want to be a violet-scaled nubian with an afro. (Okay, you might need to visit someone to get the ‘fro, but that’s going to be an in-and-out twenty-minute hairdressing, not several days in a custom-built healing vat.)[/indent] Synthetic Mask [indent]Because they didn’t want the pod seams to be obvious.[/indent] Vacuum Sealing [indent]This one’s an in-character example of feature creep, pure and simple. Once it was slated to have the bioweave armor and the enhanced respiration, the designers said “Well, hell, we might as well make it vacuum capable.” Because you never do know when you’re going to suddenly need to take a deep breath of fresh nothing, especially on a Scum Swarm.[/indent] ♛ There are no “little” add-ons here. Everything was put on the morph with great care, and since most or all of these are going to be things that the person wearing the morph in the end is going to want, it makes all the sense in the world to incorporate them when it’s being produced, when it would be much less resource-intensive to do so, than as an aftermarket which is going to require the end-user sleeve in, and then spend a week in a healing vat having it all built on.

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Sun, 2014-06-29 08:58

#22

LatwPIAT

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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:You’re

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
You’re the one who decided to leap astride your [i][u]moralistic, condemnatory high horse[/u][/i] and start expounding upon the evils of my creations, my ideas, and by extension, me. So yes, I will blame that on you.

I said you were engaging in in-depth public discussion of freaky sex, yet because you're offended, it's somehow now my fault that you started talking about freaky sex in public? I fail to see how that makes any sense at all. Also, if you think that expounding upon the evils of your creation is, by extension, a condemnation of your personally, you are taking the critique way too personally.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
Funny, I loved all of those things. [i]Because they make the setting interesting.[/i] Sure, they’re not [i]good[/i] things, but they sure are things that happen, and I don’t agree with the standard north American view that blood and guts and torture is A-OK but god save us from teh cawk! Also, the main problem with Infernals 1 and 2 was that it stated in as many words that if you were playing an Infernal Exalt who had been taken to the Underworld, you’d been raped by all the Yozis. That was the main problem. Sure, there were a [i]host and legion[/i] of other problems, but the main problem was violating player autonomy like that.

Just because you like something doesn't mean it's appropriate to write in a roleplaying supplement or discuss on a forum.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
Yes, they do. Because they’re impractical to make another way.

Let me give you a free hint, ShadowDragon. When you're responding to a post, you don't need to leave your personal commentary on every single part. You need only respond to things that are actually relevant. Which, in this case, pointing out that Furies are more practical to make biologically female is [i]not[/i], because no one doubted that. I quoted the book because "[i]tend[/i]" is the important word. As in, "not always", which your commentary does nothing to address.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
The folks who sleeve into one would probably be rather [i]irate[/i] at the “bizarre biological concoction” implication. Am I detecting a latent hint of bioconservatism?

The fictional characters (the Scum) who sleeve into one are also annoying assholes, so I couldn't give a fuck about being judged by their fictional standards.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
Perhaps, but either way, that’s what they’ve got. If people in-character have a problem with it, they have many alternatives, including fixing the lack of options themselves, or prevailing upon others to do so, or cooking up a competing snake-man morph. Because that’s the way things shook out. The morph is supposed to be pretty new as of 10AF, and they wanted to get the first run out the door before looking into more variants than they already had. Why is this, of all things, such a problem for you?

Because it's bad design. You've unnecessarily restricted the players' choice in the matter for insubstantial fluff reasons, because, again, you seem unreasonably married to the concept of a hermaphroditic snake-[i]woman[/i]. There's no good reason why you couldn't have written this thing up to allow it to have either, both or neither sex, so that players are free to choose the hermaphroditic vore D&D monster of their liking.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
Oh, I get it. It goes back to your use of the word “creepy” earlier. This is you dancing around accusing me of being a creeper objectifying women, isn’t it? Would you feel better if I statted up a minotaur morph made for a brinker clade of he men woman haters? Then both genders could have their exclusive morph? Mmmh? No, didn’t think so.

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to communicate here.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
And if [i]my[/i] players have a problem with it, I’ll come up with a solution, probably in-character.

Which is not a useful response to a criticism of the morph you published online.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
Yes, yes I am. Why in the world would you imagine that the Scum, the [i]ultimate hedonists of the setting[/i], would somehow be [i]less[/i] capable of creating a strikingly, awe-inspiringly beautiful ginormous snake-woman? I’d also point out that, in the very description you quoted, the exact words are, “On social skill tests where the character’s beauty may affect the outcome,”

Because no matter how attractive you manage to make the upper body, it's still a [i]giant half-snake[/i]. That's not something a lot of people find attractive, so it's going to seriously impede the whole "positive reactions"-thing.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
They do not, because the effects of the Unattractive 3 trait do not lend themselves to bonuses. Being conspicuous alone does not make you more attractive, but if you [io]are[/i] attractive, it lets you better leverage your attractiveness. It’s hard to get more conspicuous than “nine-meter long snake woman,” and once the snake-woman thing is drawing the eye, DAMN that’s a hot snake woman!

You really seem to fail to realize that not everyone are attracted to snake women.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
For no good reason, because quite frankly Medichines are in the exact same category as cortical stacks, which are standard on every morph. They’re emergency lifesaving augmentations, with a number of general quality-of-life boosts that are very handy. That’s the kind of thing that if it isn’t a standard yet, soon will be.

Simply put, that's not the standard by which EP morphs are designed. There's [i]lots[/i] of useful augmentations you can slap on a morph, but it's not standard to include all the useful augmentations just because they're useful. The kind of augmentations that are included tend to be either a) those that truly are standard, like Mesh Inserts, Cortical Stacks, and Basic Biomods, or b) those that are directly related to the purpose of the morph (e.g. Neurachem on Furies, Math Boost on Mentons). Medichines are not standard equipment, and are not related to the main purpose of your vore-fetish morph, so they shouldn't come as standard equipment.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
I have not even [i]begun[/i] to elaborate. If I were to [i]really[/i] elaborate, I’d spend time talking about how the Marilith’s powerful physique is designed to elaborately constrict and grind against the person stuffed within, and the same vaginal cavity which allows that is lined with erogenous pleasure receptors to ensure that those who are sleeved into the morph can enjoy it, too. I’d go into detail about how the tentacle-penis is strong and controllable enough to actually continue up through the bowels of someone whose morph has been carefully “cleaned out” for that kind of penetration that was only imaginable in the minds of hentai artists in the early 21st century, and yet is flexible and stretch enough for a normal transhuman male to actually penetrate its tip.

[img]http://i.imgur.com/LZngHdB.gif[/img]

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Sun, 2014-06-29 10:01

#23

Evilnerf

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I'm going to have to agree

I'm going to have to agree with Seekeroftheshadowlight. I think it suffers from Feature Bloat and not all of the features make sense. For example, look at the Novacrab. This is a morph with clearly defined goal. They designed a morph that could live in space for the purposes of vaccuum work. No one bothered with freaky sex stuff or making it look pretty. A lot of these seem contradictory too. is it's skin dense scales or chameleon like? Does it have some kind of thick carapace to survive in a vacuum? You're right in that none of these are 'little addons' and that's part of the problem. You just threw in everything you wanted in a completely unrealistic way. I'd never allow this in a game I was running.

Sun, 2014-06-29 15:23

#24

DivineWrath DivineWrath's picture

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@ ShadowDragon8685

@ ShadowDragon8685 Look, the only reason why I got involved in this thread is because it didn't look like a NSFW thread at the time. I thought it looked like a serious attempt to add a new homebrewed morph into the game. A new morph that had a few bad design choices that made it problematic to be used in other games (which what I was trying to critic and fix). The fact that this thread was really a NSFW thread, and the features I tried to critic and have removed turned out to be the most important features to this morph (according to you it seems), was unexpected. Then I get yelled at... If I had to do things over again, knowing what I know now, I would have given you heck for not properly labeling your thread NSFW. Was including "Octojean Veinous" in the thread title supposed to mean something? (Seriously, I don't know). Had this thread been labeled NSFW properly, I probably wouldn't have touched it. Quite bluntly, I feel dirty just by having been here arguing in this thread. I'm not sticking around any longer. I don't consider it worth it. I don't like your morph, and I don't think the name you gave it fits. It looks like an over glorified sex toy, not a combat morph. If I feel the need for a 6 armed snake lady battle morph, I'm not going to use your morph. I'm going to design my own morph and call it a Marilith (if I feel the name fits).

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
么 Starting shit and running does not constitute a graceful exit. An apology would be nice. ㋡ Not even so much as an apology, huh? Fare-thee-well, then, and don’t let the back button hit you in the arse on the way out.

Call it what you want. At this time, I consider it more mature than sticking around and trying duke it out with you over this. I'll apologize if I feel that I'm in the wrong. Quite bluntly, you are not doing a good job of making me want to feel apologetic towards you. I said my peace and now I'm leaving. I suggest the rest of you to do the same.

Sun, 2014-06-29 16:19

#25

Seekerofshadowlight Seekerofshadowlight's picture

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First off, let me say its

First off, let me say its very hard to follow your post. You use a single mass quote and all kinda of little icons and it simply reads like you are all over the place. It reads more like rambling then point and counter point.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
It was meant to be. It’s not to everyone’s taste, but these are Scum we’re talking about. It’s going to be to enough of their taste. ♬ Something doesn’t have to be mass-produced to be a production run of more than one, and that’s the beauty of open-sourcing the blueprints. Any given Swarm or anarchist habitat or whoever that has a collective get together, decide they want these morphs among them badly enough to procure the resources, repurpose the grow-tanks, and start putting them together, can do so. I don’t think you’d find more than a dozen on any given swarm, but you could find that dozen. Probably customized to suit the locals’ taste somehow.

I disagree, you did not make a simple to make Pod here. You made a one of a kind thing that I simply do not see being made more than once. Its simply far too one of a kind to have more than one of them around. Yes, there may be snake girls with snatches of holding, but not this.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
♪ The slitheroid lamia would be insufficiently sized, and it would still have the slitheroid’s Droideka rolling trick, which doesn’t really fit this at all. That’s the truly poor man’s version. ♩ I’ve always seen the word used to refer to the classification of creature, and so has the player who gave me the idea for this. I’ve seen it used interchangeably with naga for just that purpose.

You can remove the rolling trick and really it does everything a Naga does. You only need to size because you want to do the snatch of holding. And yes, I know some folks would love that, but You are looking at two very different things. A Lamia or a Naga is not the same thing as the snatch of holding, which is what you want. Even putting aside the massive penis of grasping horror, which still to be ho nest could be done with an off the shelf morph. So to me its clear you are trying to do too many things. Either this pod needs to be built to be a Naga/Lamia or a sex toy with a massive snatch of holding. Trying to do everything and seemingly combining all those ideas are a big issue you have with this.

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
I disagree. Each and every single aug and advantage was chosen and carefully so. ✂ Because they didn’t want the pod seams showing, is that really such a hard concept to grasp? 250cr during construction is the difference between pod seams disrupting the fantasy of a giant living snake-woman and not doing that. That’s really all the justification it needs. Remember, there is a canon pod with synthetic mask for exactly that reason.

I disagree and you are doing the same thing folks used to do when making mechs back in my battletech days did. You are trying to make it simply perfect and adding everything you want, with even more freedom to do so. And you end up with a mess that does not make sense. I am gonna do down your list of things you brought up here

Synth mask
Striking looks
Bioweave Armor (Heavy)
Circadian Regulation
Chameleon Skin
Clean Metabolism
Cyberbrain
Enhanced Hearing
Enhanced Pheromones
Enhanced Respiration
Enhanced Vision
Grip Pads
Lateral Line
Medichines
Oxygen Reserve
Skin Pocket
Skinflex
Synthetic Mask
Vacuum Sealing

You simply are all over the place with this guy.

Sun, 2014-06-29 18:54

#26

AdamJury

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In general, giant point-by

In general, giant point-by-point replies of every single sentence or paragraph in a post don't do a damned thing to convince the poster you are replying to of anything. They do, however, serve as a bunch of micro aggressions. I believe this thread has served as a poster child for that, and that there is little discussion actually aimed at finding common ground. I suggest it's time to abandon this thread.

Sun, 2014-06-29 19:43

#27

kindalas

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And...

[color=red]...locked.[/color]

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Thu, 2014-07-03 10:28

#28

kindalas

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Moderator Statement

[color=red]The behaviour in this thread is an embarrassment to these forums.[/color] [color=red]Where to begin.[/color] [color=red]Lets start with [url=http://eclipsephase.com/comment/46370#comment-46370]post #3[/url] where ShadowDragon you immediately rejected criticism of your Morph's design.[/color] [color=red]Why did you post it. These are discussion forums. DivineWrath said "I recommend" not "You should" or "You Must" just a recomendation.[/color] [color=red]Then you ShadowDragon told him that he wasn't a mod or a PS+ owner. [/color] [color=red]How did that help discussion?[/color] [color=red]Moving onto [url=http://eclipsephase.com/comment/46392#comment-46392] Post #5[/url][/color] [color=red]No one has tried to censor you, ShadowDragon. Let me make that clear. You owe DevineWrath an apology his only mistake was trying to give honest and genuine advice at a time where you were preparing for a fight.[/color] [color=red]Which leads me to [url=http://eclipsephase.com/comment/46395#comment-46395]Post #7[/url][/color] [color=red]LatwPIAT I've notticed a trend with you. Every time you post a reply to ShadowDragon it is in an attack format. Be it Active Aggressive like in Post #7 and Post #10 #13 #22 or passive aggressive.[/color] [color=red]You have a vendetta.[/color] [color=red]It needs to stop.[/color] [color=red]I've spent far too much time trying to figure out if this is a thing that you two do to each other or if it is consistently one person starting it.[/color] [color=red]It is you LatwPIAT tearing into ShadowDragon at every opportunity.[/color] [color=red]I'm not going to forbid you LatwPIAT from responding to ShadowDragon's posts but for now on every time a moderator sees you LatwPIAT picking a fight for the sake of picking a fight it will be a warning.[/color] [color=red]Now onto Adam Jury's post.[/color]

AdamJury wrote:
[color=red]In general, giant point-by-point replies of every single sentence or paragraph in a post don't do a damned thing to convince the poster you are replying to of anything.[/color] [color=red]They do, however, serve as a bunch of micro aggressions.[/color]

[color=red]Just look at [url=http://eclipsephase.com/comment/46408#comment-46408]Post #16[/url] for an example of this taunting and aggression.[/color] [color=red]ShadowDragon half of your posts are like everyone else's a simple paragraph or two responding to an entire post, the other half are this point by point deconstruction of each sentence of a post. [/color] [color=red]Stop doing that.[/color] [color=red]You do it when you are combative, angry, upset and defensive. [/color] [color=red]In the future if you find yourself adopting the point by point style.[/color] [color=red]Walk away from it.[/color] [color=red]Chill, zen the fuck out, be the Dude or whatever.[/color] [color=red]And then if it is worth it write a paragraph.[/color] [color=red]But stop this point by point thing.[/color] [color=red]It kills discussion, it comes across as bullying and as micro aggressions.[/color] [color=red]Now some good words because I feel like I have been stomping all over everyone.[/color] [color=red]ShadowDragon and LatwPIAT you both bring quality content to discussions where you participate and I want you both to continue being respectable members of the community but we are going to give you both a 3 day ban.[/color] [color=red]The first bans we have given out for content rather then MRA garbage.[/color] [color=red]We would like to keep it as the last.[/color] [color=red]If either of you want to appeal the ban you can message Adam since he is familiar with the thread.[/color] [color=red]The Moderator Team[/color]

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