If this question has already been asked and answered, my apologies.
[b][i]What is the best term for all sentience created by humans?[/i][/b]
I don't mean just those intellects derived from a human genome or neural architecture (no matter how enhanced) but also uplifts and AI. Transhuman and posthuman don't seem to work for, say, a Promethean or an uplifted octopus, to mention just a few. Sometimes you need to address non-alien sentience as a whole.
Possible suggestions:
Children of Man,
Earthkind,
Gaians,
Terraborn,
I've no doubt y'all can think of more appropriate choices. Thanks in advance for your input...
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What do we call the Children of Men?
Thu, 2014-06-12 02:18
#1
Blue Screen of Death
What do we call the Children of Men?
Thu, 2014-06-12 03:03
#2
ShadowDragon8685
"Transhuman" is the generally
"Transhuman" is the generally accepted term, IIRC.
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Thu, 2014-06-12 04:25
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Lorsa
Transhuman does work for
Transhuman does work for anything except smart pets and seed AIs which means it does (the term transhuman) include uplifted octopi.
If you want to include seed AIs as well then perhaps "People from Sol" would work, to be exchanged with Life if you want to imply all life including that of animals and plants.
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Thu, 2014-06-12 06:46
#4
obsidian razor
I do think that written
I do think that written material wise, Transhuman works just fine, but I can imagine that a substantial amount of uplifts and AGIs in-universe decry being called that, as plenty of transhumanity rejects them as equals or downright treats them as slaves or ticking bombs...
Thu, 2014-06-12 07:52
#5
Leng Plateau
Labels are always a touchy issue
Labels are always a touchy issue but my thoughts would be human (which might be touchy for some but it does recognize the ever widening circle of what is human), people (very generic but it works), and possibly (with apologies to David Brin) Earth clan or Earth clade (to recognize the common point of origin, though some might prefer Sol to Earth for the label).
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Thu, 2014-06-12 08:41
#6
ORCACommander
agreed but it may be my
agreed but it may be my anthropocentric view of things but i have never felt that transhuman was encompassing enough for the uplifts and ai's
Solarian works well Since we are not a unified star nation it is better denote our common hydrogen bomb than any one planet.
Thu, 2014-06-12 09:05
#7
obsidian razor
I really like "solarians" or
I really like "solarians" or "solarian". I might start using it with uplift characters and NPCs that are trying to be more inclusive (to the cry of old fashion people saying that everything now it's to PC and that transhuman is no longer a loaded word) :P
It does induce some confusion with solar-corona inhabitants, but you can just call those coronals or similar :)
Thu, 2014-06-12 13:01
#8
jackgraham
Apropos of the subject line,
Apropos of the subject line, _Children of Men_ was the scariest fucking movie I've ever seen.
I usually use "transhuman" as a big tent term including non-human sentients, or "transhuman family" when I want to be explicit that I'm referring to humans + uplifts + AGIs.
I've also tried using "Terran" to refer to all intelligent beings from Earth, but Rob doesn't like referring to Earth as "Terra" and always edits it out. ;P
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Thu, 2014-06-12 14:32
#9
consumerdestroyer
And technically, uplifts and
And technically, uplifts and AGI developed off-Earth are neither transhuman (if they're invested in uplift/AGI/mercurial rights) [b]or[/b] Terran.
Thu, 2014-06-12 16:50
#10
ShadowDragon8685
I feel the need to point out
I feel the need to point out that "Solarian" and related words are already taken. It specifically refers to the culture of corona-dwellers who actually dwell in the atmosphere and near-reaches of the sun itself, including Surya, Salamanders, and the odd person who is neither but still flies with them.
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Thu, 2014-06-12 19:34
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DrewDavis
I can see residents of the
I can see residents of the corona and "solarians" in the rest of the solar system getting in arguments about this.
Thu, 2014-06-12 21:19
#12
Chernoborg
"Sapient" is my preferred non
"Sapient" is my preferred non-human descriptor being evocative of an aware mind. It's use for binomial nomenclature (ex. corvus sapiens, sus sapiens, octopus sapiens, and ....mathematica sapiens?) for different species puts them at the same level as humans.
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Thu, 2014-06-12 21:53
#13
Blue Screen of Death
Thank you all for your
Thank you all for your replies. :-)
Yes, [i]Children of Men[/i] was creepy indeed. But what was neat was the unusual nature of the horror. Most of the folks in that world weren't in any physical danger. They would age and die like all of us (until the transhuman future anyway). But it was the bleak realization that there was nothing to be left after them.
I wonder what would have happened in the end (without spoiling too much) had the plot resolved itself differently. I imagine a single colony of dying elderly caring for each other until the last few couldn't care for anyone, even themselves. And all about them, all of the treasures of Humanity lying still and forever undisturbed.
Thu, 2014-06-12 22:04
#14
ORCACommander
lots and lots of Suicides
lots and lots of Suicides BSOD
Thu, 2014-06-12 23:52
#15
puke
DrewDavis wrote:I can see
Go ahead, call Canadians "Americans" because of the continent they are on. They love it, trust me.
Fri, 2014-06-13 01:39
#16
ShadowDragon8685
Chernoborg wrote:"Sapient" is
It does, however, fail at describing that group of sapients whose origins trace back to our Sun, because Factors are unquestionably also sapient.
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Fri, 2014-06-13 03:10
#17
Smokeskin
Sunborn?
Sunborn?
Fri, 2014-06-13 07:23
#18
ThatWhichNeverWas
I call them human.
My favorite quote is relevant here, from “Magic Bleeds” by Ilona Andrews:
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Being human in our world is synonymous with being included into the framework of society.
Humanity entitles one to certain rights and privileges, but also implies voluntary acceptance of laws and rules of conduct.
It transcends mere biology.
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Fri, 2014-06-13 07:55
#19
Undocking
puke wrote:DrewDavis wrote:I
Those are fighting words.
Fri, 2014-06-13 08:08
#20
DrewDavis
puke wrote:
More of a "get your own name" vs "but it makes sense for everyone in the solar system" sort of thing.
Fri, 2014-06-13 15:19
#21
puke
Undocking wrote:Those are
:D
Fri, 2014-06-13 15:36
#22
MAD Crab
A wormy issue
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=29g57XTYgLE
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Fri, 2014-06-13 23:27
#23
Chernoborg
Part of the problem is that
Part of the problem is that with the long history of bad science fiction out there many perfectly good terms are now viewed as kind of ridiculous. jackgraham mentioned "Terran" already, "Terrestrial" could be confused with the planet type, and "Solarite" just makes me remember THIS guy http://www.angelfire.com/film/not-good/Reviews/ThePhantomPlanet/solarite... .
"Solaran" may work as it speaks of having come from the Sol system without necessarily having come from Earth specifically - an important consideration when dealing with all the different colonies out there!
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Sat, 2014-06-14 02:50
#24
sebwiers
Damn, I remember reading a
Damn, I remember reading a bit about the Norwiegen language having terms that could be used for this. Maybe it was in Schizmatrix? The terms had various levels of terms for humans reflecting whether you were related to a person, lived in the same town / under the same chief, they were a foriengner, etc. Then it had terms for people you considered human but didn't know the origin of, and people who were not human but were also not strictly supernatural, and finally supernatural people (ie, those not of this world). I'd say that second to last tier applies to the teran diasporia. Or maybe that could be reserved for beings who haven't yet past the singularity, and folks from our little home grav well would be the third step down.
But yeah, I'm thinking foreign languages, especially ones from cultures that have a folklore of non-human people, might provide better words than English.