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Secret Implants?

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bitbyter bitbyter's picture
Secret Implants?
Given tech in EP like Healing Vats and Ego Bridges, is it possible for a morph to have implants that the Ego is unaware of? I know things like Monitor Modules are hard to detect and regular implants can have the implant masking option, but how does this actually work with the realities of resleeving? For example, if a character is secretly installed with a monitor module, puppet sock, dead switch (purely for the monitor module) and a memory lock. Would it be possible to keep these implants hidden from them and the staff that are routinely working with the Ego's morphs? The only way I can see it working is if an AGI, true AI or hacker is putting effort into directly hacking the clinics or insurance companies records and the ego's medical records somehow secretly instruct the healing vat to create these implants without the technicians involved knowing about them or any records being left behind. Also, in the case of Ghostrider or Monitor Modules, when an Ego is egocast and / or resleeved does the technician managing the resleeving know if the module is full or empty (amount of data being transmitted / downloaded)?
Urthdigger Urthdigger's picture
The person who adds the
The person who adds the implant will know about it, but I think past that anyone can be left unaware, like sleeving someone into an already prepared morph. Hell, if it's a darkcast the technicians may add secret implants of their own.
bitbyter bitbyter's picture
I guess what I'm really
I guess what I'm really asking is do staff at resleeving clinics or insurance companies know everything about the morph they are bridging you into or is that information kept private somehow? Depending on the location of the clinic I can see this going either way (they know nothing, morph specs are private or they know everything to screen for illegal implants). I just wonder what others see as "normal" in their games.
ORCACommander ORCACommander's picture
Give me the Bio Facts :P
Give me the Bio Facts :P I would assume all legitimate clinics would doing contraband and security scans of deposited morphs. For an ego being aware of unrequested implants a lot of that will be determined if it is wired into the somatic or automatic nervous system and as an example i am-not physically aware of every muscle in my body and if it was not for a basic knowledge of antinomy i would not know it to be there. however if a person is going between very different morph types there is a chance for discover since there would be an acclimatization periods before your mind desensitizes to the numerous strange inputs
OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture
Wouldn't it be easier to hide
Wouldn't it be easier to hide an implant in that situation since the ego has no feel for what is normal, supposed to be there, and what is not?

Mea Culpa: My mode of speech can make others feel uninvited to argue or participate. This is the EXACT opposite of what I intend when I post.

Smokeskin Smokeskin's picture
I think you could get away
I think you could get away with a lot. When a car dealer gets a car from a trusted supplier, they're hardly going to look at it. If they get it from a private seller, it's going to get more of a check but still unlikely to be anything that would detect malicious, skilled tampering. Even if you do a complete scan, a standard morph with standard components can get compared to blueprints and detect anomalies, but anything non-standard is going to take many manhours to identify as malicious. Imagine you open up a computer and find hardware you're not familiar with - figuring out what does what at the level needed to identify tampering is not going to be easy. Of course, some implants will show up on an x-ray or MRI scan, but others will just be very hard to tell apart from legitimate mods. The only difference might even be in software. Not to mention modifying the morph after they check it. Plenty of room for hackers, infiltrators and social engineers to mess with the supply line or storage and get away with it. Bottom line is, good security is difficult. Most people won't care much and rely on their unimportance as their main defense. The more security conscious could rely on measures like trusted sources, drawing a random morph from storage at the last minute so the opposition can't target a single one, insisting on no custom mods that can't be checked and verified, replacing mesh inserts when sleeving, more thorough checks in a healing vat and skilled technicians analysing everything, etc. So i think that Joe Average (or a covert team that has to act like him) is very easy to set up with a secret implant. A VIP, not so much.
consumerdestroyer consumerdestroyer's picture
This is exactly the paranoid
This is exactly the paranoid reason the party I GM has a psychosurgeon, I'm sure (and that player'd better [i]use him[/i] for this kind of screening, too...'cause I'm totally doing this at some point).
bitbyter bitbyter's picture
I'm actually considering
I'm actually considering creating a character with the implants listed above and the Edited Memories trait just to see what the GM does with them. That is why I was wondering if it could even feasibly be done without the person's knowledge or finding out easily.
Xagroth Xagroth's picture
Panopticon gives us some sort
Panopticon gives us some sort of modification for implants to mask them from detection, keep them into a separate mesh could be done, and at GM's discretion it can be possible to get some static or strange wireless comm from time to time (or a slight lag in comms pointing to extra bandwith being taken). While "dormant", however, those implants would be undetectable. As for the Body Shop side, it is possible to hack into one to make the automated systems to install the desired hidden implants with the people working there none the wiser. Not only is a way to get recording devices into meetings you can't access, it is also a safe way (if discovered, the one suffering the consequences won't be you!). As for what a sane GM would do, is to tread very carefully. If several agents of firewall go around with edited memories, and sentinels start finding morphs with extra stuff which makes possible to keep tabs on them, the conspiracy would be outed in months. And if an agent is discovered like that, early retirement from Firewall would be the best thing happening to him, while being used as bait to find the source and neutralize it would be quite probable. Also, remember Firewall is not against cracking eggs if needed. This includes killing its own sentinels if they become a threat, be it voluntarily or not, knowingly or not. So I can envision a series of missions where that sentinel and the rest of the group are just a smoke screen while a second group (NPC's) keep tabs on them to track the origin of the leak. So welcome to paranoia street! :)
NoEther NoEther's picture
In short: I think you're
In short: I think you're right that hiding an implant from a morph who is looking for it and has access to medical facilities is probably hard, but my default assumption isn't that doctors or the healing vat are going to actively look for or call attention to implants. I think for just a healing vat it would make sense that (a) the vat detects and repairs the module(s) as appropriate but (b) doesn't consider this "interesting" and therefore doesn't alert anyone. And it should only find the implant if it has to repair it. For someone receiving care from people, and depending on the implant, I think calling for some sort of medical check to notice the out of place implant makes sense, with implant masking giving -30 to that check. Given the huge range of custom implants and custom morphs I'm willing to believe that a Ghostrider can be mocked up to look (upon casual inspection) like something else. It might even be as simple as most implants broadcasting what they are and most medical professionals and devices accepting that claim. The ghostrider can be tagged as part of the standard cortical stack etc.
Xagroth Xagroth's picture
I think it makes more sense
I think it makes more sense to have some sort of data packet with the basic biomods or the mesh implants that, when queried at short distance by a medical system, gives a full list of implants, their specefications and the way they are integrated with the body and each other. This list would be compiled each time an implant is added or removed, and is a "machine-code" list, without any kind of explaining of what does that implant do or what does that other. So in short, the masking implant can be used to get there an implant that the host is unaware of, but this list would be aware of it, meaning it is needed to either edit the list (and hope the dude won't need a healing vat) or edit the memories of the poor sod, so he never thinks twice (or even thinks the implant was his idea to begin with) about that thing. My thoughts in this matter are twofold: the masking implant can be used as a quick job, wihtout much hope to hold for long, or psychosurgery edit the ego to think the implant is nothing out of the ordinary (for a long term ploy). As for the sleeving process/healing vat process, I think they are mostly automated, and again the machines and the egos minding them don't really know the intended use of the implants, only how to repair them. So unless that implant is not legal where you are, the chances of the bodyshop telling you about a Ghost Rider module you never knew it was there are slim.