Well, I play EP on web, and I've been the GM of game during 8 months. By playing EP online means that I usually I need a lot of art which I take from this thread. http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?469777-Eclipse-Phase-Inspirational-A... And from that thread I usually take, avatars for NPCs, battles for news... but mostly weapons and armor models. Thats because I create my own weapon with their own model, stadistics and stories behind, and armors models serve as a way to give complements to the mental image of friends and allies. Is usually easy to look in the internet and say "I want a sci-fi assault rifle" the problem starts with more specific things like freezers, or weapons with a freezer attached, a pulse laser is also easy to find but then PBBs(particle beam bolter) and plasma rifle arent easy to find(at least the idea of such weapons in EP) The next Thing I use a lot, are general images(I made a news section) in which I have found problems looking for Zero-G massacres with lots of dead bodies and blood, or sci-fi battles on others planets that are not earth(where the gravity is much lower), that also happens with cities, the very few images of habitats that convice me I have to treat them as treasures for important parts on the game so I dont repeat the same image over and over. And, I know that EP, is usually centered on minor squads. But between all the images I saw in the past, if there is a concrete image that I ever wanted to see is a big ass battle, with fenrirs shooting their weapons against jovians soldiers on battlesuits, or actually see the direct action mercenaries with reapers and arachnoids advancing against an anarchist defense post. Maybe I like the idea because I'm always listening "two steps from hell" every time I can, and those images just come to my mind.

I'll re-post what I said in another thread:

Noble Pigeon wrote:

It would be awesome to play up the multi-faction aspect of Firewall. The organization recruits from all across the solar system---hypercorp agents, anarchist agitators, mercenaries, criminals, even, as we've see in Rimward, from the Jovian Republic. The art should clearly depict what they are (a Jovian in a flat, looking battered and bruised but still able to fight, a hypercorp executive in a slick executive suit and shiny mods with a permanent smile on his/her face, the anarchist having prismatic nano-tats, including one with the anarchist flag with a big ol' pink heart in the middle), and all of them are facing some murderous exsurgent monstrosity. Transhumanity is fractured and divided in more ways than one, and these three characters probably could argue with each other until the sun burns out about their ideologies, but the picture shows that extinction is coming, so united we can [b]fight it[/b].

I dunno, doesn't have to be that specific, but [i]something[/i] to emphasize that Firewall recruits from almost every faction and walks of life, regardless of whether you're a Consortium oligarch, an octopus anarchist, or a Jovian soldier with religious beliefs.

So, I take it you've already considered everything that was posted in [url=http://www.eclipsephase.com/firewall-art]this[/url] thread?

I'd like to see something like a matched set of art, showing both the intensive research side of being a sentinel team and the 'shit hit the fan' war zone side, with the same characters in both.

Thirded. That would be pretty awesome.

A team fresh out of farcasting (or restoring from backups) with new morphs having to reintroduce themselves to each other.

I'd love to see some quieter examples of tradecraft in addition to the action scenes. For instance, two people shaking hands, with some kind of effect to indicate they're trading intel via skinlink. Or someone reading a memorial plaque in a simulspace park, some of the letters highlighted to reveal a secret message (the idea being that someone has hacked the simulspace to leave this message).

I'd like to see sentinels destroy (and maybe in the process immolate themselves) a x-threat in some spectacular fashion like an orbital strike which annihilate an exsurgent's nest; and i think that having a picture of a Firewall operative interrogating a captured ego in a virtual environment would help a lot of players myself included to know how exactly happens.

Octojean Veinous saving a fainted bikini-clad buxom firewall agent while shooting his laser like PEW PEW YOU ARE DEAD NOW FREAK! while lots of TITAN zombies try to reach for them both. You know, the STUFF OF AWESOMENESS.

Newscasts showing headlines of what Firewall agents are doing, no doubt branding them as terrorists? The same Firewall agent as they advance through the ranks, eventually becoming a proxy, across many lives (and deaths)? An argument over what to do with an artifact/person/creature between Firewall members of different ideologies? I'd also like to second the "Unusual Exsurgents" suggestion.

I would like to echo the calls for art of exsurgents. Also: any chance for some art of MeatHab?

You wanna know what the best exsurgent is? The one which isn't an exsurgent. The one who gets a quick brain rewrite, and then whose nanite infestation self-cannibalizes. That brain re-write, though? It turns the exsurgent into a power-seeking maniac, who will seek to gain power, in any form and then use that power to create conflict. This can take any number of forms: it can take the form of a guy founding a street gang, and growing his gang so large as to blossom into a full-scale cartel capable of busting onto the solar scene. It can take the form of an aggressive warhawk politician, agitating for armed intervention and constantly spouting aggressive rhetoric. It can take the form of someone joining or founding a mercenary company, rising to the top, and then fostering a culture in which excessive collateral damage is encouraged. It can be an anarchist demagogue, agitating for further and further intolerance, whipping people into anger and frenzy. It can be a rebel leader, pushing the oppressed masses to rise up and slaughter those who benefit from their plight. In the end, the most effective Exsurgent won't be a slavering nanite-hive. They're easy to detect, and even when they go undetected long enough to become a violent outbreak like in that habitat on Luna, the hab will be quickly nuked, because no amount of nanites and no level of advanced technology will protect you against a sufficiently large raw energy release. No. The best exsurgent is the one who isn't an exsurgent at all. He's the one reminding everybody why they hate those people, [i]over there[/i], for [i]reasons[/i], and suggesting that they all run over there and beat their fucking heads in. So the scariest exsurgent you can depict won't be a cyber-shoggoth. Cyber-shoggoths are managable, even if you have to take extreme measures up to and including breaching the ship's metallic hydrogen storage tanks, or calling in an Erasure squad. The scariest Exsurgent looks like a politician with a winning complexion and a "Tough on [insert polarizing topic here]" AR tag, or like a businessman with a massive stock portfoloi, looking at his resources and wealth in AR menues. He looks like a mercenary commander, summarily executing someone who's unarmed and was never armed in the first place, simply because they might provide some kind of succor to his enemies, or like a street gang leader with a pistol and a lead pipe and a thirst for more.

Somebody making some kind of mistake - I wanna have something to point to when demonstrating the idea of a Critical Failure :P

Kassil wrote:

Also, I'd note that what ShadowDragon8685 describes is a memetically infected exsurgent - they're still entirely infectious, but on the level of basilisk hacks and so on. I'd suspect that such a figure would certainly create propaganda designed to spread a particular long-term and slow-acting version of the haunting strain of the exsurgent virus - a neural hack rather than a nanite infection.

Quite honestly, I hate the terms "memetic warfare" and "Basilisk hack." And more especially, I hate the notion of what they [i]are[/i]; that there is some kind of visual brown note that turns people into exsurgents, or that you can, with words and propaganda posters, turn people against their ideals. Humans have been trying that shit for centuries, and it [i]never works[/i].

ShadowDragon8685 wrote:

Kassil wrote:

Also, I'd note that what ShadowDragon8685 describes is a memetically infected exsurgent - they're still entirely infectious, but on the level of basilisk hacks and so on. I'd suspect that such a figure would certainly create propaganda designed to spread a particular long-term and slow-acting version of the haunting strain of the exsurgent virus - a neural hack rather than a nanite infection.

Quite honestly, I hate the terms "memetic warfare" and "Basilisk hack." And more especially, I hate the notion of what they [i]are[/i]; that there is some kind of visual brown note that turns people into exsurgents, or that you can, with words and propaganda posters, turn people against their ideals. Humans have been trying that shit for centuries, and it [i]never works[/i].

To be fair, Basilisk hacks come from a civilization ranked III to IV on the Kardashev scale. They have the ability to manipulate the universe as they please (read: space magic). They've been trying that shit for [i]hundreds of millions of years[/i]. Somewhere along that line, they became space wizards and did what we couldn't. Note to self: the ETI are now codenamed Space Wizards in any EP games I run.

Several different firewall teams to show the diversity of agents? I dunno, like one could be fairly uniform and professional looking (all recruited by the one proxy and steered towards his ideals), another could be the variety of scum crew of a small ship who are all in on Firewall, another could be a Martian team made of both hypercorp police and barsoomians? Images of Firewall agents following leads or in various tradecraft acts (dead letter boxes, honey traps, false-flag ops etc.)? A close encounter with a Promethean avatar? *shrugs* Is that the kind of suggestion you're after?

Darn_the_Vargr wrote:

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Quite honestly, I hate the terms "memetic warfare" and "Basilisk hack." And more especially, I hate the notion of what they [i]are[/i]; that there is some kind of visual brown note that turns people into exsurgents, or that you can, with words and propaganda posters, turn people against their ideals. Humans have been trying that shit for centuries, and it [i]never works[/i].

You don't even propose a feasible argument, once again. It's just "I hate this, this is my radical opinion" without at least proposing facts or offering something to the table.* Humans have been trying that for centuries? Um, ok...and EP takes place like two hundred years into the future. You do know that technology advances exponentially? What's to say that these psychosurgeons (which would know farrrrr more about the biological brain than we would by the point, at least according to the setting) could easily manipulate the mind via memetic vectors.+ But even if that weren't the case, you have the audacity to state that ETIs or TITANs, which are honestly on the level of Reapers if you were to compare them to ME, could not in any conceivable way utilize basilisk hacks.✠ And without attempting to cite a source from the setting to bolster your argument, to boot.✝ You also turn a blind eye to the fact that we as humans use memetic warfare against social groups we hate all the time. Turn on FOX news and listen to those cretins speak for a bit. The words "tradition" and "values" are the simplest rounds of ammo that cause shitstorms in America. Those bits have become contemporary memes in the 21st century.☠ Ok, educating done!☦

* "I hate this" is a perfectly valid statement. Also, "facts" are not something which are proposed, they are stated. Proposition is for an action plan. Here's my proposal: don't use the damn things. + Psychosurgery requires that you actually have the person you're psychosurgerying in your simulspace environment so you can tinker with their brain directly. [i]Yes[/i], if you have hardware access to someone's brain, you can make up their mind for them. That doesn't mean you can do it with a propaganda poster. ✝ If there were some kind of visual or audible brown note that could shut down, disable, or disadvantage [i]homo sapiens sapiens,[/i] millions of years of evolutionary pressure as we climbed to the top of the food chain would have caused either some critter that wanted to prey upon us, or some critter we preyed upon, to develop it. As for the "but TITAN!" or "but ETI!!!" arguments, that's what Psi is for. That still doesn't mean there's a mystical QR++ code you can flash at a human's eyes and make them BSOD. ☠ You know who watches FOX noise? People who are [i]already[/i] inclined to believe the dung they're spewing, people whose minds are already made up who want to enjoy an echo chamber in which their atrocious beliefs and morals are reinforced. You know who [i]doesn't[/i] watch FOX? [i]Literally anybody else.[/i] Because they already know that the shit being flung from FOX Noise is a bunch of shit that they don't agree with. They're not going to switch over to FOX Noise, hear some asshole saying "Liberal Lies" and "Liberal Media" and "Fair and Balanced" and suddenly go "You know what, they're right! Brown people are beneath me and should be rounded up and executed." Because people's beliefs don't change that way. ☦ You need to actually state something educational to make that claim. Contextually, of course, the implication is "You just got schooled!" You don't get to go *mic drop* like that without bringing a Bibliophile-level wall of well-researched, factual claims to back your side up. It makes you look like a tool.

I'm not against people stating that they hate something. Yeah, it's valid. But when everything that comes out of your net address on every post is "Destroy all Jovians" or "EP shouldn't have Juntans" or pushing animal reproductive organs in everyone's faces /regardless/ of whether or not multiple users have chided you already, that's a problem. /That/ is a fact and it makes you look like a tool. "If there were some kind of visual or audible brown note that could shut down, disable, or disadvantage homo sapiens sapiens, millions of years of evolutionary pressure as we climbed to the top of the food chain would have caused either some critter that wanted to prey upon us, or some critter we preyed upon, to develop it. As for the "but TITAN!" or "but ETI!!!" arguments, that's what Psi is for. That still doesn't mean there's a mystical QR++ code you can flash at a human's eyes and make them BSOD." <-- this is bullshit. Seriously. People that read science fiction should at least no the basics of evolution, natural selection. Organisms evolve in response to stimuli, their environment, alongside cellular mutations; which, if a change allows that organism to survive, it gets /selected./ You just wrote that "something just has to suddenly be able to brown note us because har." Dear god. I'm gonna mic drop this now because I just had to explain the most simplest aspect of evolution to a farce. This basilisk hack is just "too good!" Firewall, feel free to take over for me here. I'm out.