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Playing a lost character.

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It that must no... It that must not be named's picture
Playing a lost character.
I saw in transhuman an issue I raised long ago about asyncs being too fragile was adressed by making it possible for an async to take a trait that lets him be more resistant to the exsurgent virus Instead of more vulnerable due to his earlier exposure. Given this welcome change I wondered how it would effect playing a lost character. Could a lost who remained functional be accepted into society as an example of someone surviving a titan plague and in fact becoming resistant to it? Would his resistance to it be studied as a way of making others resistant to the x virus? Would this make him something of a symbol of hope and something of a celebrity? I'd like some tips on playing a lost character and wondered how things in transhuman would affect it.

"I learned the hard way that if you take a stand on any issue, no matter how insignificant, people will line up around the block to kick your ass over it." -Jesse "the mind" Ventura.

Leodiensian Leodiensian's picture
It depends on what you mean
It depends on what you mean by "society". Anywhere in corporate space, he'd likely be targeted extensively by Cognite looking to run damage control by atomizing him - or failing that capture him, cut into him and see what went wrong. Even if Cognite isn't a major force in your current area of space, the Lost have a bad reputation. As in, he might be totally fine but most of the others are murderous. So, publicly presenting oneself as a Lost is typically a bad idea.
It that must no... It that must not be named's picture
So how DO you play a lost
So how DO you play a lost character then? I wish transhuman had more on that.

"I learned the hard way that if you take a stand on any issue, no matter how insignificant, people will line up around the block to kick your ass over it." -Jesse "the mind" Ventura.

Leodiensian Leodiensian's picture
Ideally, with a fake ID or
Ideally, with a fake ID or some other form of protection - perhaps a wealthy patron? Think of it like being gay in a country where that's illegal, or if not illegal still something heavily discriminated against socially and violence is common. The closet is your friend. You might be able to get a decent life in autonomist space, like the Titanian Commonwealth, if you wanted to live 'openly'. It really depends how much attention you draw to the whole "hey guys, the TITANs futzed with my head!" thing. You might end up having people worry that you're a security risk - a sleeper exsurgent, or something like that.
uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
Exactly what Leodiensian said
Exactly what Leodiensian said, there is even stuff about the exsurgent virus strains that look benign like Watts-McLeod but are just dormant. Lost "player characters" are safe (unless the GM is being extra sneaky), but "player character" is a metagame construction, theoretically there is nothing to say "I am a safe Lost" because the non-safe Lost will do the same thing, claim they are safe. They may even believe it, then they are triggered.
Exhuman, and Humanitarian.
It that must no... It that must not be named's picture
Could it be possible that
Could it be possible that cognite might be eager to salvage as many of the lost as possible if for no other reason than good PR? They might want to hold up as many successful lost as possible and say "Look! The ones that the damned virus didn't ruin turned out ok! It wasn't our fault! It was that damned virus! We even made some of them so good they resisted and succeeded! What we learn from the ones who resisted may help us fight this virus in the future!" There might even be people who want to believe in some sort of hope, and a lost who succeeded might be a hopeful sign. Yes, yes some people might want to kill him just for being a lost, but It seems that no matter who/what you are in the EPU someone wants to kill you.

"I learned the hard way that if you take a stand on any issue, no matter how insignificant, people will line up around the block to kick your ass over it." -Jesse "the mind" Ventura.

Leodiensian Leodiensian's picture
Difficult Questions
Honestly, if Cognite wanted to run a spin campaign about it they'd have their work cut out for them. It's definitely something they'd plausibly want - the Lost scandal toppled them from near-dominance in the Consortium - but there is one major issue they'd need an answer before they got anywhere. How did the next generation and humanity's best hope of repopulation get infected under Cognite's watch? There are two main possibilities. Either the infection came from someone inside Cognite or from the outside. Perhaps a Cognite researcher was exesurgently infected and compelled to spread the love. Perhaps the TITANs were involved. Neither answer is much good for Cognite since they either look irresponsible and incompetent - maybe even culpable for every crime a List commits - or they are compromised. One Lost who's not actively homicidal is a drop in the bucket in terms of solving the troubling questions the Lost debacle pose. Good dramatic scenario though. Probably enough material in the Lost alone to run a campaign off of.
It that must no... It that must not be named's picture
Why would it be just one lost
Why would it be just one lost? Could a few have openly survived in a functional state? Obviously a fair few escaped underground and some are fuctional, like the egohunter sample character. Maybe a few are open about it and eagerly hyped by cognite as examples of the fact that the project was sabotaged, not defective.

"I learned the hard way that if you take a stand on any issue, no matter how insignificant, people will line up around the block to kick your ass over it." -Jesse "the mind" Ventura.

thezombiekat thezombiekat's picture
for the purpose of public
for the purpose of public confidence a lost character being resistant to exurgent isn't much help. most people are unaware of the existence of psi, and unaware that the lost where infected with any kind of exurgent. there was a story in on of the books about a plot to compromise one of the major lunar banks using psi and they had no defense because they where unaware of the possibility (firewall stopped it and the bank still has no idea) what is publicly known about the lost is that they went insane, most murderously insane. it is believed this is due to the accelerated development and/or failure in selecting and preparing infant egos. Cognight knows better (although most of there employs do not) as dose project ozma, firewall and some others, but nobody that knows wants it to go public. they are isolated not just because they are perceived as dangerous (murder you because the voice in there head thinks the air con is up to high) but also because they are pitied (they are seen as victims made dangerous by those that abused them) and a reminder of failure (the project gave much of trans humanity hope for the future that was then dashed. people don't want to be reminded of that) the average person, including most law enforcement will not try to kill one of the lost. they will however avoid prolonged contact unless they decide to put them in a mental institution for there own good. how to play one. well the futura morph you have to start with is a modified exalt. and it is only recognizable to people who make a study of such things. so all you need is a fake ID and your free to reveal your history only to the most trusted of friends. of cause you still have to deal with 2-3 serious mental disorders.
fellowhoodlum fellowhoodlum's picture
Well in my game, Consortium
Well in my game, Consortium media has downplayed the Lost as much as they could. Any Lost going public are often portrayed as charlatans (we called them Gellerites) and conpersons. (and hunted down in secret later) Some Lost abilities can be simulated with sufficient hardware/software so it can be difficult for to "prove" the the existence of Psi powers.
thezombiekat thezombiekat's picture
i seem to recall there where
i seem to recall there where a couple of famous lost working in the entertainment industry. notably they did not go public with there psi abilities. cant remember where the reference was. one reason not to go public with your psi ability's is that there are some significant organizations that don't know, and you run the risk of convincing them. there are more organizations that know but do not have access to psi. any of these groups might try to recruit you without risking your refusal, or the expense and publicity of a biding war.
ghostofgod ghostofgod's picture
Clearly don't go public..
As others have mentioned going public is typically a fantastically bad idea. The people who know you are Watts-MacLeod infected want you and most others will think you're a ticking time bomb of psychosis. I am currently playing a Lost in a campaign, and while aspects of my character are rather extreme, you can pass yourself off as "normal" in many regards. A fake ego ID is kind of standard, to the point where your main character sheet may effectively be "fake", though the only real difference would be your name and Rep scores. Along those lines look at the Sleights you are planning on taking (or have taken) and extrapolate. If you're a Psi 1 using self-enhancing Psi Chi sleights then you can fit in most places. Security/Mercenary work could be very suitable to things like High Pain Threshold, Instinct, Filter, or Ambience Sense. On the other hand a gatecrashing xeno-archaeologist could be a marvel in their field through the use of the Grok sleight, being able to activate and get some basic functions out of entirely alien devices. Gamble with the Savant Calculation and/or Predictive Boost sleight, act as a particularly effective hostess with Superior Kinesics, etc, etc. If you're trying to play a Lost with only minor mental derangement or you've even managed to repair your mind and become basically stable, then you're just another character. You just happen to have the usefulness of self-enhancing Psi powers. Now if you've taken Psi 2 and do this you're boring and shouldn't take Psi 2. Seriously, I wouldn't allow a "healed" async with the power to psychic stab someone because it doesn't make any sense. Consider it like this. Psi 1 (Psi Chi sleights) are a manipulation of the nature of self. The Watts-MacLeod virus has modified your brain to provide you with the understanding and power to manipulate aspects of your own being. This knowledge can -eventually- be assimilated and come to terms with, your powers will never extend beyond your own being and as such your fundamental understanding of Psi can stop with you. Psi 2 (Psi Gamma sleights) on the other hand is absurdly more powerful than Psi 1, and with that power comes mental damage. Psi 2 revolves around projecting from your own mind to manipulate the minds of others. This can be a simple act like Charisma, making the target basically think you're awesome, or passives like Ego Sense/Thought Browse/(kinda)Deep Scan. More complex and more powerful things like Psi Shield, Spam, Psychic Stab, Implant Memory/Skill are forcing your mind into another. Whether you are consciously aware of this knowledge or not that power implies a deep awareness of the nature of the transhuman mind and its frailty. Furthermore actually -using- that power would not only be stressful but very likely fucking terrifying.
jlc326 jlc326's picture
Lost reasoning
thezombiekat wrote:
...what is publicly known about the lost is that they went insane, most murderously insane. it is believed this is due to the accelerated development and/or failure in selecting and preparing infant egos. Cognight knows better (although most of there employs do not) as dose project ozma, firewall and some others, but nobody that knows wants it to go public.
Im playing a lost, and the way he views the whole "murderously insane" thing is he woke up in a VR sim, found he was a experiment, and decided to leave. He just showed as much respect for the sanctity of life as his creators. :) He feels bad about it now though, a day of being really pissed off followed by a life time of well that was a bad idea. Now I have to spend the rest of my life looking over my shoulder. great
uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
Hide in plain sight
What are the chances (or rather how would it be accomplished?) that a member of the Lost generation would be able to forge a fake identity and become a member of Oversight? I'm looking to craft an Antagonist/NPC that is publicly an Oversight manager (coordinates field assets/auditors), who is actually a Lost that is trying to play Firewall/external groups as well as other Oversight agents in order to expose Cognite and the unknown parties involved in the failure of the Lost project (which in my campaign is going to be Ozma I think). What would a Lost have to do in order to stay hidden and undetected as a member of Oversight?
Exhuman, and Humanitarian.
ORCACommander ORCACommander's picture
be one of the few that did
be one of the few that did not contract watts-macleod strain or have really good control over their async abilities. but in in inner systems turns you will be looking at tens of thousands in credit expenditure to make the cover identity really deep. firewall would probly help some as having people in oversight is of great advantage
Lilith Lilith's picture
Re: Hide in plain sight
uwtartarus wrote:
What are the chances (or rather how would it be accomplished?) that a member of the Lost generation would be able to forge a fake identity and become a member of Oversight? ... What would a Lost have to do in order to stay hidden and undetected as a member of Oversight?
He/she'd have to be paranoid in the extreme and very judicious in the use of async abilities for one. That said, most people in the EP setting aren't even aware that asyncs are a thing, which is probably the one advantage this person has working for them, assuming they can adequately erase all connections between themself and the Lost project. Probably the biggest challenge would be avoiding brainscans; coming up anomalous on one of those (especially since people higher-up in Ozma or Firewall would know what to look for) would cut their career short and fast. Identifying and recruiting/avoiding/eliminating other asyncs would also be keen; any risk of being identified as something other than a typical suit would be problematic. I could see them going so far as to sleeve synths (and risk the associated async fever) in other to avoid being pegged as asynchronous, though sleeving in a biomorph and downing a lot of Comfurt would probably be nearly mandatory in order to function. Aside from that, though? All the standard corp qualities—business acumen, savvy demeanor, cutthroat tactics, etc.—will probably ensure they rise up comfortably in the Oversight ranks. The trick would just be being good enough at the job to garner power in Oversight without drawing attention from Ozma ... assuming that's not their intent, anyway.
Kassil Kassil's picture
It that must not be named
It that must not be named wrote:
Why would it be just one lost? Could a few have openly survived in a functional state? Obviously a fair few escaped underground and some are fuctional, like the egohunter sample character. Maybe a few are open about it and eagerly hyped by cognite as examples of the fact that the project was sabotaged, not defective.
Given that you seem to be pushing really hard at this idea of Publically Awesome Lost, there's nothing stopping you from doing it in your own game - but it's just not in the baseline canon of the game for it to happen that way. Hypercorps are dementedly cutthroat in nature, and "Look, our really high-profile project was somehow infiltrated and sabotaged despite the fact that the Best Hope of Humanity's Future should've had impregnable security until we succeeded and cemented our place as the rockstars of this business" isn't a good thing to try to tout. It really doesn't help that async powers are basically going to look like terrifying TITAN/exsurgent abilities. Going public with those amounts to declaring yourself as a possible vector for an outbreak of some new horrific threat, and the result of those nanoplagues is still fresh in the minds of all those who lived through the Fall.
"Don't eat the jelly, that's a protoplasm someone sleeved into."