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raverbane raverbane's picture
Gate Wars
A couple of questions about gates. I see that a gate sourcebook is coming out in the 2nd quarter of 2010. But, I was hoping to score a couple of answers / feedback before 4-6 months. The are references to gatecrashing contracts and part of the contracts involves how long the gate operators keep the gate open. (page 102 "Gate Expedition Report 901127...The gate was kept active for 8 more hours—the duration of the contract—with no sign of activity.") Does this mean that the gate at the other end cant 'dial'? Or simply that they can dial, but there isnt a 'codified' address system and they just dont know how to 'dial' back to Sol system? An idea I was thinking about exploring in the campaign I am going to run is the ramifications of intrasystem gating. (ie While experimenting with the Fissure gate. The operators stumble onto dialing Pandora.) Is there something in the RAW that prevents two gates in the same system from dialing each other?
Xahn Borealis Xahn Borealis's picture
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From my interpretation of the rules, Pandora Gates don't dial other gates. They create wormholes direct to locations on the other end, like long-range transporters. If I'm right, you could use it to 'gate' right into the middle of that hypercorp research hab.
standard_gravity standard_gravity's picture
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Correct, they dial more or less random destinations and then hopefully are able to dial the same place twice. However, I guess nothing prevents them from dialling another gate, although this may involve some warped physics and a great explosion! ;)
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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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One possibility is simply that the gates find one of the virtual wormholes that exist on the Planck-scale and blow it up to macroscopic size. So the gate mechanism somehow fishes one up from the quantum foam, expands it, keeps it open and finally drops it back into the foam. That ability suggests a lot of other cool and frightening possibilities for the gate-builders. Gates into stars would provide enormous energy or explosive power - consider opening a gate into a neutron star. One could even go further and open gates into the interior region of black holes; exactly what would happen is anybody's guess (I would guess the gate breaks down like the evaporation of an equally sized black hole, but maybe you could get a thunderbolt singularity - http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/9207105 ). And maybe with the right command codes gates could be opened into arbitrarily contorted spacetimes.
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Sepherim Sepherim's picture
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That could explain why sometimes the gate can't dial again the same location it once used before. If it uses pre-existing wormholes, instead of creating them, it would depend on the continued existance of those holes to be able to dial again into them. No?
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Sepherim wrote:
That could explain why sometimes the gate can't dial again the same location it once used before. If it uses pre-existing wormholes, instead of creating them, it would depend on the continued existance of those holes to be able to dial again into them. No?
If they use Planck-scale wormholes then there are probably already wormholes linking every location with every other. But I would suspect there are other constraints: the probability of finding a wormhole to somewhere else may go down exponentially with distance (say). So the gate must search harder for certain links, and might timeout. But maybe the wormholes actually used are indeed pre-made: when the gate system was set up the creators randomly generated quantum-scale links to all conceivable destinations. They could be just like qubits, and actually used up each time a link is opened. Normally there are enough links around to allow access, but sometimes the system runs out of them (and maybe has to do a search for new ones, or deliver a "wormhole seed" from another gate).
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JimJim JimJim's picture
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Xahn Borealis wrote:
From my interpretation of the rules, Pandora Gates don't dial other gates. They create wormholes direct to locations on the other end, like long-range transporters. If I'm right, you could use it to 'gate' right into the middle of that hypercorp research hab.
I know that this is an old thread; I'll apologize in advance for resurrecting it... Gates do, in fact, dial other gates. From the rulebook (page 378; WARNING: This is in GM Country): When the gates themselves are open, a sphere appears within the central area that is not so much black as pure nothingness. This sphere of darkness projects an aura of charged energy, and in fact ripples of green arc lightning cascade across its surface. Anyone or anything entering that sphere comes out the other side of the wormhole, through a similar gate, seemingly instantaneously. An unknown force fi eld effect seems to prevent the atmospheres from the two connected gates from interacting. Whether Gate A in System 1 is capable of dialing Gate B in System 1, they don't seem to say, but you do seem to need two gates to make a connection.
Rhyx Rhyx's picture
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One could even go further and open gates into the interior region of black holes; exactly what would happen is anybody's guess.
I love the idea of quantum foam wormholes being blown up to be workable (Actually I looked into this wayyy back when, back when they were thinking of keeping the hole open using the casimir effect.) But I guess the question about opening a wormhole in a black hole: Would the quantum foam be stable enough in such extreme conditions to even spawn a wormhole aperture considering how squished it would be (or does that break down at plank's length levels?) ... I mean the pure idea of leaving a wormhole open in a neutron star to use as a power core is badass enough but opening a wormhole in a black hole might actually pull everything around in it. So I almost hope it's impossible just because of the pure destructive possibilities. Thinking further opening a gate to a black hole, neutron star or (gods forbid) a quasar while the gate is in the sun might actually be the closest thing to a practical star killing weapon...uhg, I might have trouble sleeping tonight just knowing that this can theoretically exist.
Extrasolar Angel Extrasolar Angel's picture
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Rhyx][quote wrote:
Thinking further opening a gate to a black hole, neutron star or (gods forbid) a quasar while the gate is in the sun might actually be the closest thing to a practical star killing weapon...uhg, I might have trouble sleeping tonight just knowing that this can theoretically exist.
That's all assuming that the gate doesn't have build in access denied function when somebody tries to reach such locations. With follow-up by ETI security probes investigating who tried to sabotage the communication network.
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Rhyx Rhyx's picture
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To me such a system would actually be good news considering the alternative. I'd rather have the gate self destruct or monsters from beyond space and time come to pay a visit and tell the gate users that it's a bad idea than it actually succeeding and turning the solar system into a huge stellar BarBQ. "Yog Sothoth sends his regards and says he's vetoing your idea to supernova your own sun..." "Aiiiieeeeeee!"