In philosophy there is an idea called the "extended mind hypothesis" that claims that if external tools does processing for a person that we would call 'mental' if it occurred inside a mind, they should also be regarded as part of the person's mind. The classic example is a person using a notebook as an external memory aid: were he to lose it, the hypothesis argues that he would really lose some memory for real. Now in EP, people have extended minds that are really extended. The mesh inserts are part of them, as is likely the Muse and plenty of other more obvious software routines - as well as normally invisible systems maintaining their body image mapping to the morph (stuff like making synthmorphs feel normal despite not breathing, or handling the really strange shape of a swarmanoid). But beyond that there is the whole Mesh. Most people do not update reps consciously: the rep networks are to some extent part of shared cognition. In fact, transhumans likely have so extended cognition that merely becoming a zero would affect their mental stability a lot.

oh yes. I lose access to the net and I feel like my IQ just dropped 20 points. Resleeving in a flat has got to be the sort of thing that makes even a born-splicer feel like they've got a flu; they're slower, fuzzier, weaker, and their joints and bones ache. In zero-g, it would be even worse; their heads would be filled with fluids from poor nasal drainage, which is something that most other zero-g adapted morphs have dealt with. Add in the lack of built-in mesh access and... ouch.

I'm still young enough to be pliable to changes in tech, but I'm old enough to remember life before our current state of tech. Much like an Eclipse Phase ego that is able to recall life in the early years of uploading and resleeving. In [i]my case[/i], things that I now take for granted: > Not having to memorize addresses, phone numbers > Not having to coordinate meetups, plans, etc in advance, or to arrange to be home to recieve anticipated calls > Not having to rely on physical mail service as a means of communication with companies and product distributors > Not having to know someone that knows someone that actually heard/owns/saw something cool about RPGs, music, art, news, etc. > Not being able to access media from anywhere but for two or three devices, and usually only one that had any user control. > Not having to rely on physical periodicals, texts, and the f---ing Dewey Decimal System for expanding my knowledge base (or more aptly...crushing my theories to dust :-) ). > Not having to memorize which ridge was what song I wanted to hear on a record, or how thick the tape needed to be to get near to the track I wanted to hear on a casette. My children, will never have any reference frame to share my relief of burdon. At six and three+some, they won't [i]really[/i] get what life was like before WiFi, Netflix and Online Transactions. If they were tossed into a scenario where they had to use a 56k modem on a windows 3.11 machine, attend a flea-market or swap-meet as the primary means to obtain some bit of nostalgic product/collectible, or spend some time at the library answering a question that Ask.com could solve for them with a swipe of a fondle-slab...they would be as stumped as I would be trying to run program punch-cards through an old university computer. Thus, something that would be an inconvenience for me...would require a much higher expenditure of brainpower and time for them to work around because they'd have to artificially re-create a state of technological understanding that has NO rational underpinning in their world. Extrapolating this to an eclipse phase future, aside from the disorientation and inconveniences mentioned already...a transhuman flushed into a flat may not even know [i]how[/i] to go about adapting to their condition (beyond some of the things that would just biologically sort themselves out). Where would they even start? Maybe if they had spent some time training in a simulspace or downloading some skills/memories [i]beforehand[/i], they could work around it. Or if they had an older ego to help walk them through it. But a sudden >Poof< "you're a flat" scenario would be simply horrendous. Imagine waking up in the flatbed of a covered wagon in 1872? Sure you'd be able to suss a few things out, but if you didn't have anyone to help you aclimate to it, and hadn't spent some time reading up and practicing roughing it beforehand...you'd probably go the way of most people that have ever played the video game Oregon Trail "You have died of Dysentery." Stranded naked on a desert island would also be an apt comparison, I think. On the positive end of the "conversion," a transhuman may be somewhat impressed/intrigued with what other flats are capable of doing with SO much less. Much like I would be about people that not only "made do" with karosene lamps and no indoor plumbing...but seemed to enjoy their lives as much (or as little) as people in my contemporary spacetime did. No matter how far technology and civilization advance, the untamed wilderness and relative barbarism are never more than a couple generations behind us.

About year ago I was finishing wooden sailingship model and putting some ropes on it, then I made an mistake and in the same instant I was doing with my left hand "cmd+Z".

Nebelwerfer41 wrote:

Is it even possible to resleeve into a flat? There are no cortical stacks or anything to upload into, so how would it work? On a similar note, wouldn't you also have to remove the ego of the poor sucker who was born into the flat body?

Your ego doesn’t run on your cortical stack it just keeps a backup. Your ego runs on the wetware brain. If you can call the inefficient spongy stuff in a flats scull a brain.

An ego bridge incorporates a large number of nanobots that can read or write directly to the brain. The cortical stack is uninvolved in the process. When somebody uploads (for whatever reason) it is usual for these nanites to break the connections that define the ego. If you where sleaving into a flat it would usually be from somebody that had upgraded had mind wiped it on uploading, but it could be one taken by force in which case your ego would replace the previous ego as connections are moved to represent your ego. Like copying over an old cassette tape without wiping it first.