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Tharsis League & the Consortium - do I get the idea right?

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zombiak zombiak's picture
Tharsis League & the Consortium - do I get the idea right?
Hello there everybody, first of all, I'm new to the forums as well as a GM new to Eclipse Phase. I am planning to run a campaign mainly set on Mars, so I was interested in the main parties involved, i.e. the Tharsis League and the Planetary Consortium. I've read through the contents of the core book & Sunward concerning both organizations, but I am still somewhat confused about certain aspects of it. First of all, the Planetary Consortium seems to heavily support the process of terraforming of Mars in order to make it a new homeworld for transhumanity; Mars is also said to be its core world, an apple of their eye. Still, it seems that most big habitats, all the domed cities like New Shanghai, Noctis, Olympus etc. are in fact independent and not controlled by the PC at all, which would leave the Planetary Constortium with the Progress station (ex-Deimos) and some smaller habitats mainly floating in space and/or on the surface of Mars. Obviously, they might be huge O'Neill cylinders or similar important habitats, but oddly enough, the Consortium seems to lack direct control on Mars. And then, there's the Tharsis League which 'unites' all the independent dome cities in order to promote Mars nationalism (similar to the main idea of the Morningstar Constellation, I guess). Therefore, the Tharsis League would, in fact, be heavily opposed to the Consortium; still, there are Consulates of the PC in major cities (Valles) and the representatives in the Tharsis League parliament are very often 'hand-picked by the hypercorps [i.e. the Consortium]' because they come mainly from the big cities. Furthermore, it seems that Olympus (mentioned as a member state of the League) is controlled by a Consortium hypercorp (Olympus Infrastructure Authority); the hypercorp itself is run by the governors of Valles, Noctis and Elysium, so the governors of the 'independent' cities of the Tharsis League are IN FACT members of the Planetary Consortium - why would they care about the League? Here's my question then: Is the Tharsis League essentially some sort of puppet state for the hypercorps from the Planetary Consortium, a way of controlling the Martian population? Does the Martian population participate in the elections to the 'parliament' of the Consortium, then? Or maybe it is an independent organization, but the strong presence of major hypercorps in the dome cities (Comex, Olympus Infrastructure Authority) essentially makes it very dependent on the the hypercorps presence on the planet, which essentially provides them with everything, from technology to major transport routes (see the Olympus beanstalk)? Sadly, there is literally ONE page dedicated to the description of the Tharsis League in Sunward, and it isn't particularly helpful for me. Obviously, as a GM I can make it anything I want, but I am curious how more experienced players actually deal with the subject of the League.
OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture
I might be wrong but I'm
I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure the TL is a part of the consortium. Been a while since I read the mars material.

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lets adapt lets adapt's picture
I believe that the Tharsis
I believe that the Tharsis League is composed of the leaders of all of the habitats on Mars, some of which happen to be PC members and some not. There's a lot of accusations of being pawns of hypercorps or the Barsoomians, etc. I'll plop a page number in this post once I have time to get to a pdf or book!
The Green Slime The Green Slime's picture
The League is described as a
The League is described as a 'hydra-headed' political bloc, like the UN, comprised of many differing factions - most of which (due to PC gerrymandering of the Martian population into huge, only nominally-independent cities) are highly dependent on hypercorp resources, and so are strongly pro-PC. So the League [i]is[/i] a de facto puppet, but not nearly enough of one for the PC to be comfortable with, as those elements of the populace still outside of their net -the Barsoomians and other hick factions- can use the platform the League offers to awkwardly exercise their democratic power and filibuster the PC's agendas. The situation I think is akin to historical instances of private enterprises being given charter over free-founded lands, e.g. the British East India Company, or the Van Diemen's Land Company. Those private companies didn't technically own those lands, but they ran them like they did, until the natives organised against them and ran them out. Remember the Planetary Consortium is not a dictatorial regime, and on Mars as on it's core habs it wants to foster a semblance of democracy (albeit fixed by the hyperelite). It's not their style to strangle and oppress the populace with an iron grip a la the Junta; their strategy is to play-act democracy whilst buying off enough big city politicians as necessary to protect their short-term profit-centric interests. By adopting a half-arsed, softly-softly approach to controlling the Martian populace, the PC have allowed their enemies, mainly those on the shitty end of the terraforming agenda, to agitate and gain traction in the League, which the PC has to be seen to respect. The implication, I think, is that the PC will become increasingly totalitarian in its policies, cutting off resource and accidentally-on-purpose annihilating dissident populations with comet bombardments, as the political lollygagging starts to eat into their profits. They'll stage a coup d'etat/hostile takeover of the League, and then comes the big showdown for the future of Mars.
NewtonPulsifer NewtonPulsifer's picture
Here's a link that might the
Here's a link that might the info all in one place http://eclipse-phase.wikispaces.com/Planetary+Consortium
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jackgraham jackgraham's picture
It might be useful to think
It might be useful to think of the League as a particularly large and powerful county government, like Cook County, Illinois, or Los Angeles County, California. It's another layer of government, with jurisdiction over particular things, and its main goal is to defend its turf against the large cities and the Consortium. This doesn't mean it's directly opposed to either. It cooperates when it's practical to do so and digs in its heels when it's not. That it has a lot of members and employees with Barsoomian leanings is secondary to the fact that it has power, influence, and tax revenues that it wishes to keep. Sorry if the county analogy doesn't work for non-US folks, but that's the best explanation I can furnish (and as an expat Chicagoan, I very much had Cook County in mind when I was describing how the League functions).
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