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Jovian Lifestyle

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Erenthia Erenthia's picture
Jovian Lifestyle
So I'm wondering about what daily life is like for the Junta. Do their civilians have [em]any[/em] implants at all? Do they go without AR? I know they don't have muses. Would average joe-junta be the equivalent of an average joe today?
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uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
Rimward has a bit on them but
Rimward has a bit on them but yeah, inference is required. I for one am curious as well.
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Mr. Wenz Mr. Wenz's picture
Life in the Jovian Republic
Here are my thoughts on life in the Republic. Specs and an Ecto along with basic scripts allow for a VR enhanced life. However the only people that are going to be using stuff like that are the flats, as splicers get there basic biomods and kit. I can see a lot of the splicers opting out of the Cortical Stack because of the right to die movement. The lack of a muse is not a huge deal for Joe-Jovian, he can set up reminders and do basic searches himself. Having a linguistic background should be more important as it fits with their self reliance. The installation of biomods and cyberware are much more prohibitive then in other colonies due to the restriction on healing vats. I would also see a large social stigma against body modification. As for the church I see it mostly made up of Jesuits and not just for the joke about "God's Marines". What I am unsure of is how money would work, I mean I get that it is effectively a token economy. A socialist one at that as the government regulates what materials are available to the populace. I kinda see it as you are spending money for peoples time, the miner and cargo haler to get it to you, and if eating out the serving staff to prepare it. it just seems slightly off to me, as if I am missing part of the picture.
Friend Computer Friend Computer's picture
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The way that I am running them, Jovians can get access to most augmentations with proper permits. Nanotech is generally ruled out, but gets heavy use in certain sections of the intelligence and military communities. Most people don't get resleeved, with only the leaders and critical people taking on the burden of living past a natural life, the better to serve the people. People generally don't have muses, and consider them to be as obnoxious as clippy. They have an equivalent browser system with less personality and less probability of running off and joining the Mercurials. Daily life is a retro-futuristic noir setting crafted by the Ministry of Culture, which tries to bring the populace as close to an idealized 1950's midwestern American middle-class lifestyle as possible, just with more gender equality, less racism, and better medicine. People are very well off by todays standards, only appearing destitute when compared to the sorts of things that a well equipped free transhumanist can get. Most Jovians consider this an excellent trade-off, as it means they don't have to live next to some freak with ten arms and ruby-red penises growing out of where the nipples on their eighteen breast are supposed to be. The government controls the media flow between the Jovian Republic and everywhere else, which most people are fine with. The crazy meta-celebrity crap the glitterati get up to is confusing, and frequently scary. When you find sanctity in death, the advent of wildly popular suicide-artists is very upsetting. There is also the ever-present threat of the TITANs coming back, or a Singularity seeker getting what they want, or an Exhuman invasion popping up, or the Ultimates deciding to clean up the genetrash of humanity 1.0, or maybe just rabid sunwhales. The military is necessary, and the fact that 90% of the Republic's resources go into the fleet is perfectly fine. People still pay taxes. It isn't because the government needs the money; it's a centrally planned capitalist token economy where the government has access to post-scarcity economies. People pay taxes because people have always paid taxes. The Jovians can still be certain of death and taxes.
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NewtonPulsifer NewtonPulsifer's picture
Hypercorps still operate in
Hypercorps still operate in the Jovian Republic. The Jovian faction includes that as +20 a skill bonus. So hypercapitalism is alive and well. I imagine there's plenty of hypercorps in a cozy relationship with the junta.
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nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
Exactly what Friend Computer
Exactly what Friend Computer said. Jovians also can have cyberware or (to a lesser extent) bioware, but only a few pieces of really utilitarian modifications are common.
GreyBrother GreyBrother's picture
NewtonPulsifer wrote
NewtonPulsifer wrote:
Hypercorps still operate in the Jovian Republic. The Jovian faction includes that as +20 a skill bonus. So hypercapitalism is alive and well. I imagine there's plenty of hypercorps in a cozy relationship with the junta.
The reason is, that jovians generally subscribe to the tenets and customs of this social group, not that they want or do work with hypercorps. For all we know, they can work the CivicNet really good, but they either don't or have their own corporations.
NewtonPulsifer NewtonPulsifer's picture
For those who have an idea of
For those who have an idea of the Jovian Republic being the Warhammer 40k Imperium in Eclipse Phase: The junta that controls the Jovian Republic has only been around for a handful of years. It doesn't feel self consistent to me that you could transform a society into George Orwell's 1984 or even 1960s Soviet Union (50 years after the Bolsheviks) in a matter of a few years.
"I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve."- Isoroku Yamamoto
Gantolandon Gantolandon's picture
Quote:It doesn't feel self
Quote:
It doesn't feel self consistent to me that you could transform a society into George Orwell's 1984 or even 1960s Soviet Union (50 years after the Bolsheviks) in a matter of a few years.
As far as I remember, it is implied that, even before the Fall, several governments went severely authoritarian (including US) and a lot of their former citizens are now living in the Republic territory. A lot of their leader figures are either military or hardline corporate execs. If such a society could be created on Earth, it's even easier in the Jupiter's orbit. They fear transhumanity, so going anywhere else is not an option. Their habitats are heavily dependent from Jovian infrastructure and can be easily blasted into oblivion by Junta's warships. They really have no other option but to comply.
Mr. Wenz Mr. Wenz's picture
Founding colonies
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It doesn't feel self consistent to me that you could transform a society into George Orwell's 1984 or even 1960s Soviet Union (50 years after the Bolsheviks) in a matter of a few years.
The society of all space stations is an artificial one even before you add in the effects of the fall. To find a parallel look to the new world colonies, removing the natives and the ability to run off into the woods, Massachusetts Bay Colony can draw some strong parallels to an Orwellian society. In that it was everyone's responsibility that community members kept Gods covenant.
Friend Computer Friend Computer's picture
I'm gonna jump all over this one too
NewtonPulsifer wrote:
It doesn't feel self consistent to me that you could transform a society into George Orwell's 1984 or even 1960s Soviet Union (50 years after the Bolsheviks) in a matter of a few years.
Take a look around at how quickly our world changed because 2000 people died violently. Now think of what happens when 9 out of 10 of all people had their heads ripped off and carried away by insideous machines, and then 9 of 10 of the rest of humanity died before making it to space as infomorphs. When 1% of all humanity survived the Fall with their bodies intact, I feel that all sorts of extreme governments can take over, especially when the societal structures were already there ready to go.
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uwtartarus uwtartarus's picture
Friend Computer wrote
Friend Computer wrote:
NewtonPulsifer wrote:
It doesn't feel self consistent to me that you could transform a society into George Orwell's 1984 or even 1960s Soviet Union (50 years after the Bolsheviks) in a matter of a few years.
Take a look around at how quickly our world changed because 2000 people died violently. Now think of what happens when 9 out of 10 of all people had their heads ripped off and carried away by insideous machines, and then 9 of 10 of the rest of humanity died before making it to space as infomorphs. When 1% of all humanity survived the Fall with their bodies intact, I feel that all sorts of extreme governments can take over, especially when the societal structures were already there ready to go.
Yeah, the Jovian socio-political structure seems fairly easy to set up given the circumstances. Especially because they have the cultural forces in place to demonize everything transhuman and (IMHO) awesome currently raging with technology. If the transitional economies of the inner system can keep the fabbers locked up with DRM (very much like how modern technology is, see all EULA and in particular Apple products), then in the highly insular Jovian areas, where leaving the habitat means death for your frail FLAT morph that can't deal with Jupiter's gruesome radiation, you are going to do what your crazy authoritarian government says, because all the hippies and free-thinking libertarian types have already been hauled off and spaced for being transhuman monsters with their dangerous ideas about personal autonomy and liberty. They name their habitats after Pinochet and Reagan! Even if their official name is Jovian Republic, they are still known as the Junta. I should add that I appreciate Rimward's comment about not letting the Jovians fall into the "Space NAZI equals easy transhuman enemy to butcher without remorse" category, but their whole society isn't too far-fetched. They have complete control over a small population of isolated individuals living in habitats that aren't even fully safe to live in. There are no woods or wildernesses for free-thinking radical wolverine types to forment revolution about the tyranny. Just Orwellian governments with the necessary technology to accomplish their goal of total control.
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