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Much large(r) Extended Magazine (TEC-9 style)

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Tue, 2012-10-02 06:43

Mesmoria

Much large(r) Extended Magazine (TEC-9 style)

I am surprised that the Gear section doesn't list much larger extended magazines. For example a base of 12 shots seems tiny compared to the TEC-9's maximum of 72. Did i miss something? reference: TEC-9

Wed, 2012-10-03 07:08

Lalande21185 Lalande21185's picture

Extended magazines

No you didn't miss anything, the extended magazines in the book aren't very big compared to things like drum magazines (did you know they make them for pistols?). However, it would be quite reasonable to let characters purchase much larger extended magazines with the caveat that the concealiability of the weapon is drastically reduced (as opposed to the standard extended magazine which doesn't change concealability). Also, I would say that the TEC-9 counts as a light pistol and so has 16 rounds base :)

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Wed, 2012-10-03 20:54

Mr. Wenz

Re-TEC-9

The TEC-9 is an example of bad design. No government bought it as it had no practical use, as such it should not be used as an example to base anything else off of. If some one has hands on experience with it and is able to range qualify with it I will amend my statement.

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Wed, 2012-10-03 22:54

NewtonPulsifer NewtonPulsifer's picture

There's 50 round drums for

There's 50 round drums for Glocks too. [img]http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c181.0.403.403/p403x403/53233... EDIT: I'm assuming [i]somebody[/i] has range qualified with the Glock 9mm.

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Wed, 2012-10-03 23:21

OneTrikPony OneTrikPony's picture

also railguns

I wish rail guns of each class held more rounds than their counterparts, since in a magazine, they're only serving up slugs not slugs and propellant at the same time. But kinetic weapons really aren't resolved to that level of detail by the rules. Feel free to make your own.

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Thu, 2012-10-04 00:40

NewtonPulsifer NewtonPulsifer's picture

Railguns=batteries

Railguns=batteries But batteries seem much more energy dense than gunpowder in EP (at least volumetrically, perhaps even mass-wise), so I agree a railgun should hold more ammo in the same form factor, although perhaps it is a tad heavier/denser. Could be lighter, too.

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Thu, 2012-10-04 01:04

cglasgow

My thoughts are that given

My thoughts are that given the state of materials science in Eclipse Phase, as well as the existence of 'smart' materials, magazine designs today that are not quiiiiiiite reliable enough for military field service (such as the helical magazine of the Calico) should be as reliable as an old Colt .45 in the time of Eclipse Phase. Or: Increase magazine size on kinetic weapons plz. :)

Thu, 2012-10-04 05:18

Smokeskin

NewtonPulsifer wrote:

NewtonPulsifer wrote:
I'm assuming [i]somebody[/i] has range qualified with the Glock 9mm.

The Glock is a pistol - easy to carry and conceal. Anything larger than a pistol without a stock so you can shoulder it is close to worthless, as you get the worst of both worlds (your shooting stance will probably be worse than with a pistol even). There's just no market for a weapon that is neither small nor able to be shouldered. Look at HK's MP5K, it was a total flop - but the PDW version that came out later did much better.

Thu, 2012-10-04 13:59

pablofiasco pablofiasco's picture

Smokeskin wrote

Smokeskin wrote:
NewtonPulsifer wrote:
I'm assuming [i]somebody[/i] has range qualified with the Glock 9mm.
The Glock is a pistol - easy to carry and conceal. Anything larger than a pistol without a stock so you can shoulder it is close to worthless, as you get the worst of both worlds (your shooting stance will probably be worse than with a pistol even). There's just no market for a weapon that is neither small nor able to be shouldered. Look at HK's MP5K, it was a total flop - but the PDW version that came out later did much better.

Someone correct me if im wrong, but didn't the British SAS us the MP5k to great success, during the Iranian Hostage crisis?

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Thu, 2012-10-04 14:28

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NewtonPulsifer NewtonPulsifer's picture

The G11 prototype assault

The G11 prototype assault rifle had a 45-50 round box mag, and it didn't stick out from the gun at all. The M4A1 carbine uses a 30 round box mag and it sticks pretty far down. You'll notice the Eclipse Phase ammo amounts pg 336 track modern day magazine sizes (30 rounds for the Assault Rifle etc.). If I were GM I'd house-rule a 3x increase in ammo capacity for caseless kinetic weapons, and a 4.5x increase for railguns (and the railgun battery would be integrated with the ammo magazine). Guns designed for less ammo would be more concealable.

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Thu, 2012-10-04 15:00

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pablofiasco pablofiasco's picture

NewtonPulsifer wrote:The G11

[quote=NewtonPulsifer]The G11 prototype assault rifle had a 45-50 round box mag, and it didn't stick out from the gun at all. The M4A1 carbine uses a 30 round box mag and it sticks pretty far down. [quote] Welp it swalloed my post, here we go again: Love the g11 design, lovely lovely gun, and in addition to the main magaizne, the g11 had built in slots to either side of the main mag for two more magaizines, giving you 150 round capacity on one gun, with no added bulk or protrustions (added weight of course) Just wish they had fixed the problem with powder fouling/buildup causing explosions on extended full auto :(

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Fri, 2012-10-05 07:40

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Prior

NewtonPulsifer wrote:Railguns

NewtonPulsifer wrote:
Railguns=batteries But batteries seem much more energy dense than gunpowder in EP (at least volumetrically, perhaps even mass-wise), so I agree a railgun should hold more ammo in the same form factor, although perhaps it is a tad heavier/denser. Could be lighter, too.

I can't see gun powder being used in EP. By then we should be using more efficient ways to propel a bullet to killing velocity; binary propellants with self-consuming casings to cut down on ammo weight etc.

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Fri, 2012-10-05 09:24

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Smokeskin

pablofiasco wrote:

pablofiasco wrote:
Someone correct me if im wrong, but didn't the British SAS us the MP5k to great success, during the Iranian Hostage crisis?

They used the MP5, not the MP5K. If your role is to shoot, you'll carry a weapon that can be shouldered. It makes a HUGE difference, and if there's any way you can have a stock on your weapon, you'll have it. Weapons that can't be shouldered are for concealed carry, ease of carry, operators who need a hand for something else, extremely cramped spaces, and such.

Fri, 2012-10-05 11:02

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pablofiasco pablofiasco's picture

Ok, after rechecking my

Ok, after rechecking my refrences: MOST of the SAS team used surpressed MP5's, However due to a lack of avilability, several were issued, and carried, mp5k's during the operation. I concede the point of Shouldering if your a shooter role however, Stocks do make a huge difference, and un-shoulderable weapons are best of cqb/backup/etc, 100% agree

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