HI All
Ok, so I'm still fleshing out the Stars scum swarm setting for my group, and I was wondering how the scum handle the interface between their reputation economy and the transitional/old economies of the inner system. The module says "The scum do not use money within the swarm, but when dealing with outsiders they often buy and sell with credits. How exchanges of goods and services is handled with external sources is entirely up to individual scum and their collectives..."
This seemed inefficient to me and trading inefficiencies are opportunities for someone to make a living. In my campaign, this is the Dead Presidents Collective(DPC), the closest thing the Stars swarm has to a bank.
The DPC's main function is to serve as an exchange for credit to rep transactions. The way they do this is to allow new arrivals on the swarm to deposit their spare and now useless credits with the DPC, like a bank deposit. This deposit can be drawn on whenever the owner needs credits, but while on the swarm, the deposit gives the owner a certain baseline rep, based on the size of the deposit, and length of holding. So for example, a deposit of 500-1500, average 1000, credits counts as a moderate favour to the collective, and earns it's holder an immediate @-rep gain of 5 points, with another 5 a week as interest. 10-29k, average 20k creds is a Partnership level service and earns 20 rep immediately and another 20 every 3 months. (using the standard rep to credit borrowing rates on the Acquire Services table, EP pg 290, and the favour refresh rates for interest periods). When the owner leaves the swarm, and withdraws their money, their reputation drops accordingly (the amount of the initial gain, the interest rep is theirs to keep).
Note: to prevent rep gaming, each person gets a single account, so you can't use your 20k to open 20x 1000cr accounts and earn 100 rep immediately. They also won't accept an account value of more than 29,999 credits, at that point you're advised to find a real bank.
Accounts are linked to a nanocoded physical token or nanotat and the person's swarm mesh id, usually with their pseudonymous 'nom de swarm' chosen when first joining the swarm fleet. (The new arrival's Naming party is traditionally where these names are picked.)
The second function of the DPC is to loan credits to scum who need it, which they do at the usual Acquire services rep rate. Being late on a loan repayment costs you negative rep points.
These two functions make credits available when needed, and prevent them being hoarded and a temptation for anti-social theft.
The final function is a bit more shady, they convert credits or rep favours into anonymous cybercreds or physical cash for darknet or red market transactions. Their preferred cash format are copies of old earth dollars, printed to order, and designed to disintegrate after 72 hours. The dollars change color as they age, and encourage return business.
The members of the DPC maintain market stalls in all major swarm markets and near boarding points. They have fairly decent physical and mesh security provided by other collectives, with retribution services requested from the Bahala Na gang if robbed.
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Thoughts? I'm a security geek not a banker, so any one want to explain why this may be wrong or prone to being gamed?
DX
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Stars our Destination add-ons: Dead Presidents Collective
Wed, 2012-08-22 19:07
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Stars our Destination add-ons: Dead Presidents Collective
Thu, 2012-08-23 02:19
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I can't find any scale in the
I can't find any scale in the book that correlates amounts of rep to amounts of credits, and I can't infer how it works from your example. But just from what you give in your explanation...
You do know that 5 per week is more than 20 per 3 months, right? As in, you get more "interest," in absolute terms, from depositing 5k credits than from depositing 20k credits. Which means no one is ever going to deposit more than 5000 credits, unless they need a big favor from a DPC member. In which case, they will deposit 20k, request the favor and then immediately withdraw the money.
I think DPC has the air of a pyramid scheme about it. The senior members, who have long since maxed out their DPC-rep and now maintain only 50 cr deposits, can request high-level favors of new members. The new members must comply or they will be dinged and lose their DPC-rep, and can only ask for Trivial favours in return.
EDIT:
I imagine a conversation between an Anarchist and a Scum.
"@-rep means you're a pillar of the community. You've shown yourself again and again to be useful and dedicated, to have similar values and opinions and to be recognized and appreciated around the Autonomist Alliance. In short, having a high @-rep means we like you, and we trust you to make decisions for us.
What does DPC-rep stand for?"
"Uhhh... You spotted us 5000 credits."—
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Thu, 2012-08-23 06:22
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Good catch
Thanks, BOMherren, for your reply, and for spotting that my Interest concept was quite broken :)
Doh! Yes, you're quite right. I'd just taken the favour refresh rates as interest periods without thinking it though. At a minimum the interest period should be the same for all amounts, so 1k gets you say 5 rep a month, and 20k gets you 20 rep a month. But maybe I should just drop the interest idea entirely, and it is just a rep bump you get for the duration of your deposit.
The scale converting credit loan amounts to rep favour levels can be found on the Acquire Services table, EP page 290, and converting favour levels to rep amount is on the Favours table page 289.
Interesting viewpoint, but I hadn't envisaged account holders being considered members of the DPC collective, more it's customers.
I agree, many autonomists would find their activity to be grubby and distasteful, as they do red markets or the legalistic nature of Extropian life. But loaning someone credits does count as a legitimate favour, and you can argue that DPC account holders have invested in the swarm, and therefore have more of a stake in it's continued existence and success.
As an alternative to the Dead Presidents, the other way to gain initial @-rep when joining the swarm is to throw a Naming party on your first night aboard. This is normally held in a ships bar or other drinking hole and involves inviting as many people as possible to meet you and hear about your background, life, skills and exploits. The new arrival pays for at least the first round of drinks, and no-one expects their tales to be entirely true. Towards the end of the night the new arrival proposes their 'nom de swarm' name, and the crowd offers modifiers or alternatives, often humorous, and correct any name clashes. After the party, attendees gift small amounts of rep to the new arrival based on the quality of the party, outrageousness of the stories, and perceived skills and future usefulness to the swarm. It's a great way to meet lots of swarm contacts, and gain an initial @-rep. Once the bar tab is paid, hung over newbies, now Named swarmites, can deposit their remaining credits with the DPC if they want more initial rep.
Thoughts? Comments? Am I still way off base?
DX
Thu, 2012-08-23 07:44
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You should read the section
You should read the section in Rimward on reputation. @-rep can't be traded, spent or gifted, but is calculated based on pings and dings, weighted by a lengthy series of complex considerations. You can't give away your Rep, but only approve or disapprove of other people and their actions, resulting in corresponding, small adjustments to their Rep score.
Extropian brokers have figured some way around this. It probably involves paying a lot of people in the Alliance to ping their client, or borrowing money on their client's behalf with no intention of returning it, resulting in "free" money but a reputation hit.
From how they are described in Rimward, I'm guessing Anarchists frown upon this sort of practice. Every time the book goes into Anarchist societies interacting with outsiders, it mentions friction and distrust, even in the context of rather benign and innocent tourism, and it explicitly mentions hoarding as being a distasteful activity, associated with the Old Economies. So I imagine that the big obstacle with Rep brokerage, no matter how it's done, is the risk of getting swamped by anonymous dings from staunch Anarchists, who resent people buying their way into their society.
We know for sure there's some way to get around this, because the Extropians do it regularly. We just don't know how. But I'm sure there's at least one broker on every major Scum swarm, who may or may not self-identify as Extropian, and who could help you out for a modest fee. : )
The first thing I thought when I started reading your post was that you intended for DPC to be a separate list, with its own, unique DPC-rep, which mostly operates within certain Scum swarms. It would have limited membership, but it might help outsiders get started on the @-list. In particular, it would give Anarchists and Scum some reason to trust the newcomer, because they know he at least has an outstanding investment and stands to lose something if he neglects his Rep.
Your second idea is just excellent. That sounds just like something the Scum would do. Have a big old party, get to know eachother, spin tall tales and make fun of the newcomer's taste in names. Right on. : )
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