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Life on Earth and deviations from known TITAN behaviors

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SashaKemper SashaKemper's picture
Life on Earth and deviations from known TITAN behaviors
I'm running a game currently where the PCs have investigated the first active reclaimer movement where they were essentially shot through a hole in the PC fence that showed up for a few hours every few days. The drop pods allowed the building of a small camp, and from there the PCs were able to explore the surface. The drop zone was NE of Denver, CO. They found some Exurgent "barnacles" that were apparently cleaning the ever-present chaff in the air that gives the atmosphere it's rusty colour, as well as survivors. The first survivor was a young girl, apparently born during the fall, in extremely archaic clothes and weaponry (early 1900s, one character recognized it from Old Earth Media), but other survivors seemed more weathered. I based most of the survivors off of Metro 2033, which I have been faithfully playing in tandem. They live in the Denver subways, where the TITAN war machines had inexplicably avoided, by the skin of their teeth. The PCs managed to aid Station Atlas with food, water, medicine, and weapons, but an attack from Station Ares alerted TITANs through seismography (emergency explosives to close a shutter). The TITANs quickly assaulted both stations while the PCs were in transit to Ares Station, leading them to find that the first survivor they met was somehow involved with the TITANs, as when a PC got caught in the searchlight of a massive combat mech, the survivor (named Echo) managed to get it to stand down. There are three major TITANs in Denver, left behind for various reasons. One is Echo, she is a TITAN, but she is "flawed" in that she is a conservative. She believes that Humanity, and in turn the TITANs, rushed to the stars and in turn were punished by their haste. She is extremely backwards-thinking, turning her hyper-intelligence to studying history and society, "correcting" it. She wants to rebuild Earth to what it was far earlier than the Fall, and invite Humanity back to shepherd them. She is not hostile to the party, she is actually very helpful to them. God help me, one PC sleeved into a copy of her morph. I still need to stat that out. One other specializes in conventional warfare. It may not even be a TITAN as most think it, it just wants to destroy, build, and destroy. The last one experiments on humans to make Exurgents, as well as creating several new life-forms and artifacts. Does my iteration of Echo as a TITAN seem believable? I literally thought her up on the fly, as the session lasted 9 hours, and gradually revealed more things she built (remodeled arcologies, rooftop greenhouses, ect.) Her motivations are understandable from a human perspective, but she is not a TITAN, not an alien intelligent entity. Perhaps the Exurgent virus did infect her, and turned her view to the past rather than the future.
Schizophrenics make for interesting storytellers.
Unity Unity's picture
I assume you're ignoring the
I assume you're ignoring the canon that the TITANs aren't in the solar system anymore, so ignoring that obvious issue: How did a seed AGI that was not built to think or behave like a human get like that? This sounds more like some kind of tainted Promethean.
SashaKemper SashaKemper's picture
It explicitly states in the
It explicitly states in the EP core book that the TITANs could have stayed behind (at least in part) to kill/maim/alter any humans or sapient life that returned. It's in the GM section, if I'm correct. A tainted Promethean could be a logical parallel, but aren't Prometheans simply TITANs that weren't made exclusively for warfare? Then again, we have to take into account that TITANs, Prometheans, and Exurgent TITANs are all classified as hard-takeoff super-intelligent AGIs. Prometheans fought TITANs, Exurgent or not, during the Fall, and some Prometheans became Exurgents, so I suppose that a Promethean could have created (birthed, if you will) an AGI similar to it during the fall. I'm bringing more into light of the irony of a super-intelligent computer entity deciding that things were better in the past than they could be in the future, and working towards that goal. Perhaps Humanity reaching Transhumanity was a mistake, or at least an age that should have diverged, with Trashumanity taking to the stars while Humanity remained home. I'm sure Jovian scholars debate similar things. Also, it's amazing how many words I'm typing want to be spellchecked.
Schizophrenics make for interesting storytellers.
DivineWrath DivineWrath's picture
This is what I've come up
This is what I've come up with in about 10 minutes of thought (it gave me an excuse to feed myself). 1. Primitive humans are not a threat. Its purpose is to get humanity to discard its advanced technology so that they can't compete with the TITANs. This will give the TITANs the advantage if and when they choose to return. Also, the resources used to reclaim Earth is not being used traveling through the gates, so then humanity is less likely to find the TITANs and become a problem for them. 2. A focal point for humans to over react. Humans have a way of finding reasons to fight and kill each other. Some reasons are good and some are bad. This TITAN is supposed to be one such reason. It is a friendly TITAN, one that would be happy to help any human it meets. However, humans know how dangerous a TITAN can be, so many might feel justified in destroying it. Before that happens, it is supposed to make a good case that it is helpful and friendly, so that when people come to destroy it, it has defenders. A war could start because one side thinks its good and worth defending, while the other thinks its evil and must be destroyed. 3. Hidden Programming. Its purpose is to get humans into one place for easy elimination. The rest of the TITANs have the power to take full, or partial control over this lone TITAN at any time. 4. Randomly generated Weapon. This TITAN was a randomly generated weapon. While many TITAN weapons are very effective and dangerous, some are not so much. The Watts-MacLeod virus is considered "safe" and may be that way because it was a randomly generated weapon that didn't work right. Anything randomly generated has a risk of not working right. The same thing happened to this TITAN. Like the Watts-MacLeod virus, it too would be considered defective by the rest of the TITANs. 5. I'm a helper! This TITAN does want to be helpful, but it has a flawed idea what that means. The reclaimers have yet to see how its help can go wrong. Perhaps its too helpful. Perhaps it would try to help people by doing anything that might seem likely to help. Perhaps it can't say no, and will attempt to complete any request, even when 2 or more are at against each other. At best, the reclaimers will eventually politely ask it to stop helping, and at worst they will try to destroy it. 6. Meme of the week. This TITAN has defective programing that causes it to adopt a meme and do so with extreme zeal. It changes its dominant meme once a week. This week when the TITAN found by the reclaimers, it had a pro-humanity pro-conservatism meme. Next week, it could be a paper clip production maximizing meme.
DivineWrath DivineWrath's picture
SashaKemper wrote:God help me
SashaKemper wrote:
God help me, one PC sleeved into a copy of her morph. I still need to stat that out.
Well, you could use something similar to what has been published in other books. Its morph may be more advanced due to superior intelligence programing, or it could be less so due to its continued efforts in trying to help humanity, leaving little time for self improvement. It may even restrict its ability for the same reason it wants to rebuilt a "corrected" pre-fall society. The big question is, given the intellect the TITANs tend to have, what kind of morph would it consider to be most useful?
SashaKemper wrote:
A tainted Promethean could be a logical parallel, but aren't Prometheans simply TITANs that weren't made exclusively for warfare?
Weren't the Prometheans built before the TITANs? As I recall, the Prometheans were made to be human friendly seed AIs, for the good for humanity. The TITANs were made later, made to be weapons without the "pro-human excess baggage" slowing them down.
SashaKemper wrote:
Also, it's amazing how many words I'm typing want to be spellchecked.
Don't worry about that too much. I find that I usually need to read what I write once or twice before posting. I find that helps to make things much more understandable as I rewrite it. Plus it clears up a number of errors, not just spelling errors.
SashaKemper SashaKemper's picture
I like these, so I shall post
I like these, so I shall post my reactions: 1. True enough. The AGI could be deterring further exploration to neutralize the risk to other TITANs (wherever they went), perhaps as a form of peace-keeping (think an occupied state). 2. Very convoluted for a TITAN. As Caleb of RPPR said, "This thing picks the lock while a TITAN would break down the wall", or something like that. Perhaps an unintended consequence of another reason. 3. Isolated from other TITANs, this lone TITAN is compartmentalized and knows nothing of further plans, like a massive sleeper agent. 4. This is more my proposal. A freak accident of programming and conditions, just like me getting into 6 car accidents, no fault of my own. 5. This made me laugh, more from the idea of "For the love of god, stop helping me!" Perhaps it's insane and it's idea of everything is skewed to the point of making theoretic AGI programmers weep. 6. Also hilarious, but entirely plausible.
Schizophrenics make for interesting storytellers.
SashaKemper SashaKemper's picture
Echo, the SuperAGI in
Echo, the SuperAGI in question, sleeved into something physically reminiscent of a neotenic morph, mostly because she's/it's barely over the age of 13, and thought to appear appropriately as she began physically moving around the city. It doesn't hurt human psychology either. As far as the "most useful" morph, it probably will use morphs focusing on particular aspects, much like the Menton, Olympian, Fury, etc. Following the same logic of Diversity=Strength. However, my group knows I'm a huge anime nerd, so they caught on pretty quickly that it was a Kino expy. Not really a loss on my part. As for Prometheans/TITANs, I'm not sure which was made first, but your theory sounds...sound, so I'll go with that. As for the spellcheck, It's mostly for terms from EP itself. Neotenic, etc. Another Topic: My game is set in Denver, or the NE corner of it, for the moment. The nanites in the air have already shown their oddities by generating strange weather, perfect for legitimizing the setting (rain during an artillery bombardment really sets the WW1 mood) and making the players paranoid (Disassemblers sleeping in buildings). As far as enemies go, there have been the survivors themselves, insane and starving, giant combat mechs that mobilize in squads and shell entire city blocks, and little else. I need to find a way to introduce enemies the party could reasonably fight without dying, as at the moment their only choice in re-sleeving is the TITANs morph. Perhaps Exurgent bio-abominations (I've been playing Prototype 2 recently), or the simple Reaper morph would suffice, but my players are itching for some action. I'm painting a scene already of an ambushed group of survivors that they could rescue, or watch as they die horribly, then they can retaliate. The PCs are already itching for some payback for 2 bombed-out subway stations, so I think that will work.
Schizophrenics make for interesting storytellers.
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
Remember that even if the
Remember that even if the full TITANs left, they likely left behind servants, equipment and experiments - there could be anything. Just because something is superintelligent doesn't mean it isn't just a toy or a broken spambot.
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Unity Unity's picture
Okay, if she's sleeved into a
Okay, if she's sleeved into a morph like that she's most certainly not a seed AI of any sort. Good to know for future reference. As for your questions about which came first: The Prometheans were designed first for the purpose of being explicitly 'friendly' AGIs that consider themselves transhumans and to act as part of the transhuman family. This means they are far less alien than the TITANs, which were not built with anything of the sort in mind and approach cognition and prioritization strictly through the start point of being military networks and growing from there. So, they're really quite different. Reference: Eclipse Phase Core, 3rd Printing, p.381. Though yes, you are correct that there is a line in the core that leaves open the possibility that the latter are still around.
Decivre Decivre's picture
Arenamontanus wrote:Remember
Arenamontanus wrote:
Remember that even if the full TITANs left, they likely left behind servants, equipment and experiments - there could be anything. Just because something is superintelligent doesn't mean it isn't just a toy or a broken spambot.
Not to mention that a TITAN, with a spare large processing structure, could theoretically create alpha forks themselves. So much like humans, it's very possible that a TITAN could have both left and stayed at the same time.
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