I have just read the corebook, I've tried to make a character.
As a part of his character concept he had a fairly tricked-out morph, on which I spent a whopping 20 000 creds on top of already expensive Olympian base, plus some morph advantages that were paid for in CP rather than creds.
Seeing how about 20% of transhumanity cannot afford any morph at all, what sort of character could realistically afford that sort of meatsuit? Is it possible for your average Working Joe to get something like this, even if it was a majority of his life savings + some loans (an investment akin to buying house in America), or would only somebody obscenely rich hope to get his hands on sums in region of 50k creds?
With no earnings figures and the whole post-scarcity economics thing to confuse the issue, I have zero idea how much worth do credits (or rep for that matter) represent.
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How much is one cred worth?
Fri, 2012-07-13 14:30
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How much is one cred worth?
Fri, 2012-07-13 15:09
#2
Re: How much is one cred worth?
For simplicity's sake I would say that a credit is worth any note locally. An American dollar in America for example.
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Fri, 2012-07-13 15:46
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Re: How much is one cred worth?
Haha! 20k is a pittance compared to the morph I just made.
Not sure how to answer your question on value as I'm just now too cracking the book. Based on what I know however, Olympians are going to be more common amonger hypercorp/inner system affluents, as well as some more wealthy explorer types, or as a low end combat morph for those who can't afford/don't want a higher end Fury or something...
Fri, 2012-07-13 16:03
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Re: How much is one cred worth?
Estimated cost of a single Absolution (Fury)- 300K...
Estimated cost of a Novatek Shinigami (Reaper) 380K
Estimated cost of a Medean Issue CounterGuardian (Reaper) 490K
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Fri, 2012-07-13 16:22
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Re: How much is one cred worth?
Okkay, equating cred to a dollar is a good hack.
It makes a tricked-out Olympian as expensive as a good family car, and those monster-thingies in the previous post equal to a Ferrari, or two.
I guess I could believe that.
Or would it be better to set a cred to 10 bucks, making tricked-out Olympian a ferrari, and Fury/whatever those things are a private jet-equivalent?
Fri, 2012-07-13 16:35
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Re: How much is one cred worth?
That inherently is up to you. If you want tricked out biomorphs to be that high end then so be it. For simplicity's sake I say one cred is worth one local note.
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Fri, 2012-07-13 16:37
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Re: How much is one cred worth?
Quote:
Estimated cost of a single Absolution (Fury)- 300K...
Estimated cost of a Novatek Shinigami (Reaper) 380K
Estimated cost of a Medean Issue CounterGuardian (Reaper) 490K
End Quote:
Addition:
Seeing the look on everyone's face just before you torch them into atoms: Priceless
There are some things money can't buy
For everything else there's ...................
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Fri, 2012-07-13 17:02
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Re: How much is one cred worth?
Where did you get these numbers?
They seem a little high. I'd rather buy two morphs that cost half as much each, and use a fork, or just buy a lot of armed drones. In a fight, it's generally a mistake to concentrate so many resources in one easy-to-destroy-or-hack package (relatively speaking).
Fri, 2012-07-13 17:15
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Re: How much is one cred worth?
He's making those up, at least it sounds like it. Custom modified/Faction modified versions of base morphs. With a flair of naming conventions to sweeten the story.
It's lame buying a Fury from anyone as opposed to buying a Direct Action Amazon tier 2 or an Oversight Redux Reaper 3.
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Fri, 2012-07-13 17:24
#10
Re: How much is one cred worth?
Unfortunately the core rulebook is rather devoid of important economic information. There is no way to judge how much a person earns a year, how much characters should get a rewards for adventures, or how much you should pay a person for their services. There is much information missing that I would really like to have.
Fri, 2012-07-13 19:58
#11
Re: How much is one cred worth?
Custom Morph Designs.
Would you like to use a HOPLITE Railgun, sir?
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Fri, 2012-07-13 20:26
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Re: How much is one cred worth?
The problem with that question is that it's even hard to answer today: depending on what country you are in, a dollar has more or less spending power based on the value of the local economy. When I went to the Philippines, I went with 200 bucks. Within the context of that economy, it went a lot farther with regards to food and goods (I bought an authentic silver necklace at Baguiao for the same price that I bought an extra large pizza, and I can purchase a dollar menu item from McDs at about 60 cents). On the other hand, I'd have to spend about as much as I would on a small car to purchase a PC there… electronics are more expensive, as a general rule.
Even minimum wage is a tough thing to quantify. Here, you're looking at 7 bucks an hour… and that's barely enough to get by. But a chinese worker will generally subsist on the equivalent of about 100-200 dollars a [i]month[/i], and that's enough for a single person to live rather comfortably.
So really, that's a hard question. Even in the context of this game.
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Sat, 2012-07-14 16:07
#13
Re: How much is one cred worth?
I'm glad my branding is showing some stickiness. ;)
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Sun, 2012-07-15 04:00
#14
Re: How much is one cred worth?
I made some estimations in http://www.aleph.se/EclipsePhase/Transhuman%20capital.pdf (based one earlier threads, in the archives) ending up with
"An employer will hence tend to pay High for an employed professional (1,500-10,000) and Moderate (500-1,500) for simple service labour. In some polities payroll taxes and social fees are added, bringing it up by between 10-60%."
Also worth noting is that many things in EP do not have sensible prices in dollars simply because they don't exist today, like quantum computers, smart clothes or food fabbers. Implants today cost in the tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands, yet are not even enhancements. Conversely the price of an ordinary tourist knicknack from Nome, Alaska in EP is through the roof.
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Mon, 2012-07-16 09:36
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Re: How much is one cred worth?
And to spin off of Arenamonterous, most things which ARE comparable between EP and modern day are manufactured so differently that you can't compare them economically. In EP, it costs as much to grow lobster as it does to grow broccoli, and the real treasure is water.
Even answering how much average wage is gets tough. The vast majority of people are 'on ice'. Among those who aren't, a large percentage are infugees or indentured servants, or people who have chosen spartan lifestyles, or live in a reputation economy, and thusly have near-zero income.
But supposing we took a Martian city and focused on the middle class as we understand it (they are professionals, own property, etc.), I'd rate 'Expensive' as being about equivalent to buying a new car. So I imagine plenty of people have to lease their morph, buy insurance on it, etc. They could probably buy it outright, but they'd have to make concessions elsewhere.