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Difference between XP and mnemonic augs

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Sun, 2012-06-17 14:02

Limited Reagent Limited Reagent's picture

Difference between XP and mnemonic augs

I've looked everywhere and I haven't been able to get a clear answer on this. Anyone with mesh inserts can record or transmit XP. Full recordings include all senses and emotions. It can be shared in real time, and presumably searched through later. Those with a Mnemonic Augmentation can access digital recordings of all sensory data in XP format. It can be shared, gone back through to closely examine data, and can be searched through relatively quickly (but slower than eidetic memory). So, what's the difference? What is the benefit from having a mnemonic aug over normal XP recording?

Sun, 2012-06-17 14:59

Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture

Re: Difference between XP and mnemonic augs

I don't think XP could serve to upgrade skills like rez points Only skillsofts can do that, because they're forks trimmed to the extreme so that only selected skills remain. It's like using a whole tree trunk to carve a handful tooth sticks

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Sun, 2012-06-17 15:03

Limited Reagent Limited Reagent's picture

Re: Difference between XP and mnemonic augs

Quincey Forder wrote:
I don't think XP could serve to upgrade skills like rez points Only skillsofts can do that, because they're forks trimmed to the extreme so that only selected skills remain. It's like using a whole tree trunk to carve a handful tooth sticks

I don't understand. I'm not talking about upgrading skills at all. And as far as I can tell, mnemonic augmentations don't upgrade skills either. So what's your point?

Sun, 2012-06-17 15:24

otohime1978 otohime1978's picture

Re: Difference between XP and mnemonic augs

Mnemonic augmentations will allow you to recall things on the fly, when they're pertinent to the situation. XP, you firstly have to remember that you experienced it and then get something to look up the particular XP memory for you. With Mnemonic augmentation, there probably is some sort of algorithm within a cyberbrain's wiring or firmware that is constantly collating your memories and searching through them, then intuitively making them manifest when needed... I think. No clue.

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Sun, 2012-06-17 17:18

DivineWrath DivineWrath's picture

Re: Difference between XP and mnemonic augs

Think of it this way, Mnemonic Augmentation allows you to create XP recordings from your memories if you forget to record XP while you experience the event. An experienced journalist or life logger probably never forgets to record, but anyone else is not so perfect. Good journalists or life loggers probably have one just in case.

Sun, 2012-06-17 18:51

Geonis

Re: Difference between XP and mnemonic augs

Mnemonic Augmentation also allows for the merging of forks while in a biomorph (page 275). How I see it as a primary difference is this, if I run down a corridor and glance at a poster and make an XP out of it. The XP of the poster will be what I remember it as, only glanced at and lacking details. Doing the same with a Mnemonic Augmentation, the poster will be in full detail, able to be read down to the fine print. Mnemonic Augmentation will record everything in full detail, probably making it a requirement for any serious XP production.

Sun, 2012-06-17 19:49

Decivre

Re: Difference between XP and mnemonic augs

Limited Reagent wrote:
So, what's the difference? What is the benefit from having a mnemonic aug over normal XP recording?

Mnemonic augmentations act as a content sifting system that integrates your XP data with your memory. So for example, if you were to want to look at XP files on your mesh inserts, you would have to sift through them in the same manner that anyone sifts through other files on their system, then play them back. Mnemonic augmentations, however, take control of that task for you and integrate it with your own sense of recall. So if you had mnemonic augmentations, you would think back to a specific moment, and they would automatically play the recording as if it was a memory you were thinking of. They can also spontaneously recall those memories, just as your mind often does. In game terms, I require those using just mesh inserts to recall XP data to at least make a Research task action with an interval of 15 seconds to find it. A person with mnemonic augmentations makes no roll and instantly recalls any XP-stored memory.

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Sun, 2012-06-17 19:48

Decivre

Re: Difference between XP and mnemonic augs

Double-post

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Sun, 2012-06-17 21:17

Limited Reagent Limited Reagent's picture

Re: Difference between XP and mnemonic augs

Geonis wrote:
Mnemonic Augmentation also allows for the merging of forks while in a biomorph (page 275). How I see it as a primary difference is this, if I run down a corridor and glance at a poster and make an XP out of it. The XP of the poster will be what I remember it as, only glanced at and lacking details. Doing the same with a Mnemonic Augmentation, the poster will be in full detail, able to be read down to the fine print. Mnemonic Augmentation will record everything in full detail, probably making it a requirement for any serious XP production.

This is basically what my group figured out when I talked with them about it today. So, thumbs up for getting some confirmation.

Decivre wrote:
In game terms, I require those using just mesh inserts to recall XP data to at least make a Research task action with an interval of 15 seconds to find it. A person with mnemonic augmentations makes no roll and instantly recalls any XP-stored memory.

p. 307 says it takes 2 to 20 minutes to recall info with a mnemonic augmentation. Not having to make a Research test is a good point, though.

Mon, 2012-06-18 01:03

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Decivre

Re: Difference between XP and mnemonic augs

Limited Reagent wrote:
p. 307 says it takes 2 to 20 minutes to recall info with a mnemonic augmentation. Not having to make a Research test is a good point, though.

Yeah, I suppose you're right. It looks like the only real advantages of mnemonic augmentations over standard XP is the ability to review things you didn't actually focus on, and the ability to merge with forks.

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Mon, 2012-06-18 08:55

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Lorsa

Re: Difference between XP and mnemonic augs

As new on this forum and just recently started reading the book too this was one point I was curious about as well. It seemed to me that MA was very pointless with their decription of XP and the sharing of it. I was wondering if there was some part of the XP format that made it hard (impossible?) to zoom in on stuff, fast forward, pausing etc as pausing an emotional state or surface thoughts seems like a very weird thing to do. But on the other hand, why wouldn't you be able to do that? Seems like the only actual difference is that MA is "always on" but that seems a bit stupid as then you can just say that your XP recording is "always on". I suppose the MA takes in details that an XP does not and that it is very hard to focus your attention on something other than the what the individual making the recording did with an XP.

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Mon, 2012-06-18 17:39

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Decivre

Re: Difference between XP and mnemonic augs

Lorsa wrote:
As new on this forum and just recently started reading the book too this was one point I was curious about as well. It seemed to me that MA was very pointless with their decription of XP and the sharing of it. I was wondering if there was some part of the XP format that made it hard (impossible?) to zoom in on stuff, fast forward, pausing etc as pausing an emotional state or surface thoughts seems like a very weird thing to do. But on the other hand, why wouldn't you be able to do that? Seems like the only actual difference is that MA is "always on" but that seems a bit stupid as then you can just say that your XP recording is "always on". I suppose the MA takes in details that an XP does not and that it is very hard to focus your attention on something other than the what the individual making the recording did with an XP.

Normal XP is recorded with the same fidelity as your normal senses and thoughts. That means that if you aren't focusing on something, then a person watching your recording can't focus on it either. That's the nature of the beast. Mnemonic augmented recordings are a higher fidelity, and the mnemonic augmentations actually record data from things you aren't focusing on. They record background noise you didn't notice, subtle things in the corner of your eye, and other such nuances you might not have picked up originally.

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Mon, 2012-06-18 23:31

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DivineWrath DivineWrath's picture

Re: Difference between XP and mnemonic augs

Decivre wrote:
Mnemonic augmented recordings are a higher fidelity, and the mnemonic augmentations actually record data from things you aren't focusing on. They record background noise you didn't notice, subtle things in the corner of your eye, and other such nuances you might not have picked up originally.

???? How would Oracles nanoware (core rule book, p. 309) factor into the equation then? Is it a redundant feature in regards to memories, only useful for noticing things in real time? Don't they keep track of information you are not paying attention to, to begin with? Err... I stopped to re-read the description for various augmentations, before I risked making a fool of myself by I clicking post before I checked my facts. It seems that Oracles nanoware do provide a bonus to memory tests, but characters with perfect memory (such as Eidetic Memory trait, Eidetic Memory bioware, or Mnemonic Augmentation cyberware) will not benefit because they don't need to make memory tests.

Tue, 2012-06-19 00:10

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Geonis

Re: Difference between XP and mnemonic augs

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It seems that Oracles nanoware do provide a bonus to memory tests, but characters with perfect memory (such as Eidetic Memory trait, Eidetic Memory bioware, or Mnemonic Augmentation cyberware) will not benefit because they don't need to make memory tests.

Not true, Eidetic memory only works on things they payed attention to. (page 301)

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However, they can only remember things to which they paid attention. The character will not remember the contents of a note on someone’s desk if they merely glanced at it.

The oracle will assist with remembering things they might have only overheard or details glanced at better. Mind you, not perfectly. As for the Mnemonic Aug, it will assist will on the fly recollection when the 2-20 minutes (page 307) are not available to them. Taking that time mid conversation might not work to well or other situations where time is important. Such as picking the right floor to take the elevator while taking gun fire. These are improved memories, not flawless.