Hi!
Over at my blog, I summarize and link to Keith Wiley's paper challenging the Fermi Paradox, "The Fermi Paradox, Self-Replicating Probes, and the Interstellar Transportation Bandwidth",
http://abitmoredetail.wordpress.com/2011/12/04/blog-like-posting-where-i...
The subject struck me as something that Eclipse Forum would be all over.
Wiley begins his paper by defending the idea of the Bracewell probe. The advantages of self-replicating probes to the civilizations that make them, Wiley argues, are such as to guarantee their eventual manufacture, especially since the threats that they might pose if their overreplicate or became berzerkers are very likely exaggerated. Wiley suggests that some plausible solutions to the Fermi paradox would have hundreds to hundreds of billions (!) of probes being present in our solar system right now.
Wiley also argues that the percolation theory proposed by Geoffrey Landis, which suggested that the random expansion of a civilization across interstellar space would create large "voids" lacking said civilization's presence, is flawed. Either the random death of civilizations in colonized systems or the evolution of a frontier system from static to expansionistic norms would lead to the eventual colonization of these voids. Looking at species is ultimately less useful than looking at systems: what befalls Tau Ceti need not befall Epsilon Eridani. There's no reason to expect that, once they become interstellar, zones inhabited by a species (and its descendants/associates) will all follow the same trends in lockstep.
This all has obvious implications for Eclipse Phase. The ETI that nearly destroyed transhuman civilization does seem to have a local monopoly over Bracewell probes, while the rarity of megascale constructions as described in canon--the computronium nodes detected from Corse, and the rumours of artifically-generated blue stragglers, are the only two thigns that come to mind--sets upper limits as to the sorts of civilizations out there. I was taken by Karl Schroeder's suggestion that the apparent contradiction between the predictions of ubiquitous extraterrestrial civilizations and their apparent absence can be explained easily if the sorts of megascale constructions predicted to be reliable markers are _not_ commonly built. Planetary masses of computronium detectable at interstellar distance might not be common, especially with a galactically dominant ETI that goes after highly visible civilizations.
Thoughts?
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On Wiley's new look at the Fermi paradox
Sun, 2011-12-04 01:03
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On Wiley's new look at the Fermi paradox
Sun, 2011-12-04 12:09
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Re: On Wiley's new look at the Fermi paradox
This isn't EP related, but I read your blog post and it's reminded me of some things. You're refinement of Clarks Law is interesting. While I can't pull a statistically normal curve out of my hat, I assume that there is a median year sometime in the age of the universe that was the most likely for intelligent life to arise. If we assume that's when life did first arise and grew to technological prominence, they would still not be assured of being the first.
Now we can know very little about theoretical xenoforms, but we do have an understanding of evolution. So we know they have a survival instinct. Creatures without a survival instinct don't live long enough to pass on their genes. We also know they would have had an understanding of math and physics, which would have given them the ability to think in abstract terms. They'd be able to imagine the potential horror (or however their survival instinct is manifested) of being confronted with a civilization dramatically more powerful than they with priorities and desires that could lead to their extinction. The logical thing to do is to hide. A great way to hide would be to remake yourself out of matter that doesn't emit or scatter light or other forms of electromagnetic radiation and does not interact with ordinary matter. In other words: Dark Matter, which (according to Wikipedia) makes up 83% of the matter of the universe.
Where is Everybody? They're all terrified of a theoretical Even-Bigger-Guy, so they turned themselves into Dark Matter.
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Sun, 2011-12-04 16:18
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Re: On Wiley's new look at the Fermi paradox
Not my refinement, but Karl Schroeder's!
In the Eclipse Phase context, this suggests that the technological models favoured by the ETI civilization--megascale constructions depending heavily on computronium and maybe stellar engineering and who knows what else?--may not be dominant among extraterrestrial civilizations generally. Relatively low-impact and low-visibility techynological models might be more popular, even without the ETI's regular cullings.
Mon, 2011-12-05 04:30
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Re: On Wiley's new look at the Fermi paradox
Interesting paper. It seems the inescapable conclusion is that Self Replicating Probes of perhaps several different alien cultures should already be present in the solar system. Scientists then sit back and scratch their heads and call it a paradox, because there's no evidence of them, and say that perhaps we should start looking closer to home for signs of ET.
Yet science as a whole remains blindly oblivious to hundreds and hundreds of eye-witness reports, often highly credible, of exactly these kind of phenomena. If science is saying that perhaps these things are already here, and we should start looking, then shouldn't the first step be to assess the body of UFO reports ? Yeah, a lot of them are bunk, but there remains a core of reports - some estimates say 5-10% that just defy explanation. These reports are often from airline pilots - very serious individuals not known for making unsubstantiated claims, and highly trained observers to boot. Then there's the Rendelsham forest case, where the sworn affidavit of personnel in charge of security at a US nuclear weapons storage facility (the kind of people you'd hope were trustworthy!) that they encountered *and even touched* a small vehicle of some kind.
Honestly, if you're wondering where the SRP are all hiding, I think the answer is that they aren't hiding at all, and people see them all the time. Perhaps it's time we just started taking them seriously !
TBH I expect the answer to the Fermi paradox is The Great Filter. Except, it's less of a filter, and more of a brick wall - before a civilisation has the technology to be able to send SRP or colony missions into the galaxy it inevitably overexploits it's home world and cause a catastrophic environmental disaster. Based on our sample of 1, that seems to be a safe assumption so far.
Mon, 2011-12-05 03:33
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Re: On Wiley's new look at the Fermi paradox
Imagine you're a bracewell probe. You're in this solar system, and for whatever reason you decide to take a closer look at the earth? Who are you most likely to run into? Scientists? Maybe. More likely the Military. The government may be pretty crappy about keeping secrets, but the military is not.
Now imagine you're the Military. What is the [i]one[/i] group above all others that you don't want finding out about this? Scientists. Scientists and Journalists both care very deeply about the truth, but if you can fool the scientists you get most journalists for free. How do you make scientists not take something seriously? Create a massive, unending tidal wave of bullshit and hope the truth get's lost in the wash. I am not a conspiracy theorist. At least I wasn't before this thread. If there is information being withheld from the public about aliens, I'm not sure that fact would change my life one way or the other, but something is definitely not right.
On the EP side of things, if you take the idea that sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from nature together with EPs notion of ETI...well then maybe the entire universe was [i]already[/i] converted into computronium, and we're just not smart enough to realize it yet. Biological evolution might be part of that, or it might be a side-effect. The Exurgent virus might be more like the Universe's immune system. That throws a very different light on things like the Titans, the Factors, and perhaps even the Gates. On the other hand, what if we [i]aren't[/i] a cancer in the system. Our entire civilization could exist as some kind of subroutine in the cosmic computer. I'm not sure which idea is worse.
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Mon, 2011-12-05 08:09
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Re: On Wiley's new look at the Fermi paradox
Refining this a little (inside EP, by the way), I'd say that all alien civilizations have learned that being discrete is the best defense against hostile civilizations.
Locating another civilization without being detected means you can decide to say "hi" or send missiles directly, which gives you a theoretical advantage.
By the way, there was a book about a couple of naturally occurring inmortals in the human race that eventually sailed to the stars when they got really bored from the Earth (an Earth governed by AGIs and inhabitated by bored humans who got inmortality too). In that book, it was said that civiilizations would be sending probes to the center of the universe or other places where universal anomalies laid in order to study those. Of course, thanks to lag, they sent the most intelligent, sturdy and automated probes.
So in the center of the galaxy laid a civilization of robots sent from countless of civilizations to study phenomenons, but no one told them to report the sights of other probes XD