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Homemade map of Valles-New Shanghai

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Ashen Victor Ashen Victor's picture
Homemade map of Valles-New Shanghai
Greetings fellow singularity seekers, I have made this map of Valles-New Shanghai metroplex following the, sometimes confusing, guides in the Mars chapter in Sunward sourcebook. This is my first draft. I´m open to questions and suggestions. http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/849/vallesnewshanghaimap.jpg CC Attributions Non Commercial use Share Alike 3.0 etc. ENJOY
Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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ohhh! very nice! a compass would be welcome to point toward the North, so we know how to orientate the map
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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Like it a lot. So the orange lines represents highways I assume. I would assume there is plenty else outside - smaller towns, factory areas, railroad nexuses etc. But that is maybe left for individual GMs.
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Ashen Victor Ashen Victor's picture
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That´s right. I forgot to ad the speedways and flyways numbers (V-101 et all). I drew the ones mentioned in Sunward (four) and them added a few more that made sense to me. Not to mention that usually those are mixed lanes: maglev trains, highways and flyways. According to the book the highway that departs from Little Shanghai to the West connects to more emplacements in Eos Chasma. Also, the map doestn show smaller emplacements, lesser souks or mansions. Also I have to say: Nytrondheim will have a great seafront in a few centuries. PD: Someone know from where comes that name? PPD: I´m going to add a compass.
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Ashen Victor wrote:
Also I have to say: Nytrondheim will have a great seafront in a few centuries. PD: Someone know from where comes that name?
It means "New Trondheim" in Norwegian (and the other Scandinavic languages). I guess someone missed good old Nidaros (another name for the Norwegian town).
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Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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a scale would be nice, too, if possible To give the players a idea of the size of these domes
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Xagroth Xagroth's picture
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Trondheim... WWII german submarines base, if the old Medal of Honor was accurate (I still have shivers when I think about the first mission XD). I'd make Valles Center more regular, besides that I like the map (but I always imagined each "neighborhood" to be a single, big dome, an arcology of sorts, instead of the more organic view you show there). Now we need maps of the individual parts... Where should I place te Savannah? After all Wagnaria will be near the Mars University... mmmm...
Ashen Victor Ashen Victor's picture
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Ok, the new version is online. http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/849/vallesnewshanghaimap.jpg Added compass and scale. About the scale. I took the 10 km mark because it´s enough to hold the entire old shanghai riverside skyline and leave free space for other neighborhoods. Also because is the length of my home city so I can visualize how freaking big the dome enclosing it should be. Talking about domes, I visualize those covering cities not as a classic geodesic dome. but a combination of more viable structures considering the local geography. For example, I would not put a dome over New Pittsburg, I would erect a more comfortable "wing dome" or "Wave dome" (look at some airports structures, those are great to visualize long and stepped covered spaces ) sure they need plenty of piers to support it, but transparent metals and other metamaterials are available to build those as discreet as possible. I think i came to this conclusion because most cities in mars where originally tin can settlements covered by domes later, so as martian cities grow they are appropriately covered to keep a nice atmosphere for non cases and rusters. Maybe new domes are build and THEN build habitats inside. I´m more of the line of thought "make the most of what´s already there, don`t tear it down". This creates an interesting architectural opportunity to create skyscrapers that also serve as piers or part of the superstructure. The Trident in Valles Center extends 3 km (!) tall from the city dome, it makes sense for those three architectural monsters to hold a little bit of the dome bellow. But this is just my vision. What do you think? PD: Xagroth, I also thought of adding also the main neighborhoods but it was too cumbersome for a map this scale. Maybe next one. ;D
Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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little question: do you plan to make "street maps" for inside the domes? that would be a nice. wishful thinking, maybe, but nice! little question: what's the depth of the rivers? it's said they're pretty shallow but how much? 10 feet? 20? 30? when you see some rivers on Earth like Mississippi, the Amazon or the Rhône those have really deep bottoms!
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Ashen Victor Ashen Victor's picture
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[b]1st Little Question:[/b] Do you want to kill me? Jokes aside I tried yesterday, mixing maps from Shanghai, Hongkong and Beijin, sort of a map collage. But like all collages they are cool to eye, but makes no sense the you look closely. I was, "fuck that shit", keep it simple. The main problem with creating a map for any of the domes in Valles-New Shanghai is that we have very little information about the hoods: -There is the complete riverside Shanghai skyline and some arcologies in New Shanghai. -Three humongous skyscrapers in Valles Center and a coherent and dull street layout. -We know nothing about NyTrondheim appart from it reputation. -New Pittsburg has a cool bridge and an artificial lake/water reservoir. -Little Shanghai has souks, lots of em, it´s made of them. Also more souks around it. So unless Posthuman Studios releases a "The Stars Our Destination" style mini sourcebook that´s all the information we have. [b] Please Posthuman Studios DO IT! [/b] I beg you! I bought all the pdf releases and the first three books! Sob sob sob... :* We have other option, and is to crowdsource it. It will be a chaotic mess*, but it will provide enough information to create a playable city. [b]2nd Little Question:[/b] If you compare the rivers and the scale to the right you will conclude that both the Xi and de Mon are nearly a kilometer wide in most parts, i did when I was writing this. Maybe they are only 3 meters deep (10 feet), but that´s a freaking lot of water to me! I hope my answers where helpful! ;) *Like an scum barge but without swarm cats.
Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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Seems to me that our PHS friends were inspired quite a lot by Cowboy Bebop, when Valles New Shangai was inspired. Especially by the 2001 movie, Stairway To Heaven. you could take some nice snapshots from it with VLC, photoshop them a bit, and include them AR style in your map on the river, most of them are artificial, right, using imported and ice-melt water from dome to dome, and facilitate transport of freight on the river. 3 meters deep for 1000 meter wide, I'd call it shallow, alright ^^ and I totally agree! we need Stars-like pdf guide for Mars domes (and Titan's! and Ceres*!) *Leviathan Wakes really got revved up for the Ceres habitat. Great, great book that one!
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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Quincey Forder wrote:
little question: do you plan to make "street maps" for inside the domes?
It is not even clear what street system makes sense. It all depends on the kinds of transport infrastructure people use, and that in turn depends sensitively on how people use the city space - a very complex question. For example, a lot of transport could be underground, aerial vehicle or via pedestrian walkways - but it all depends on the history of the place, the relative economics of tunnel digging, whether people use offices or spend their days in AR in cafes, and so on. See some of the stuff I wrote about in Cities of the Edge if you want some loose ideas... that are unlikely to help with the street grid.
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little question: what's the depth of the rivers? it's said they're pretty shallow but how much? 10 feet? 20? 30? when you see some rivers on Earth like Mississippi, the Amazon or the Rhône those have really deep bottoms!
Think about the age and properties of these rivers. They 1) are highly seasonal, with periods where they are frozen and lack inflow since there is no snowmelt, and periods where there is a lot of water 2) run in an arid landscape with little protective vegetation, 3) the landscape has heavy erosion since it is not yet stabilized, 4) the rivers are heavily controlled and artificial. I would predict they would typically be braided rivers, streams running in a channel of gravel. Each stream will normally be less than a meter deep, except when the river swells and it might become two meters deep. Near the city there are likely concrete banks keeping the channel in place and bridges across it.
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Xagroth Xagroth's picture
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I wouldn't go with a detailed streetmap like one you can see in google maps, but a more "political" map: Take one of the five macrodomes, divide it in zones, and inside those zones place the points of interest. Main streets could also be placed, but it's not really a necessity. I wold also suggest that,if streets for ground trafic are goind to be added, to add also routes for flying transports. Also, I'd start with Valles Center. Not only it is 100% regular, but it's also a fractal copy of itself, so to speak XD. Critical points of interest, besides of those mentioned in Sunward, would be civil services: police stations, emergency services, and health care (this last ones should be revised in detail: basic biomods take care of lots of non-trauma problems, for example). I miss the evolution of some of the services in EP. The police gets a brief mention here and there, but only regarding numbers. Hospital and trauma services are not mentioned, or at least I cannot remember, and firefighting and other disaster units are nowhere.
King Shere King Shere's picture
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Xagroth wrote:
Critical points of interest, besides of those mentioned in Sunward, would be civil services: police stations, emergency services, and health care (this last ones should be revised in detail: basic biomods take care of lots of non-trauma problems, for example).
Aside from mobile patrols, I would expect almost every service to be "conjured", Not present, however at a moment notice anything can be quickly summoned to the spot of need. Sort of like "nicer" matrix agents. various means of achieving it , alerting a nearby roaming service patrols, or call in additional resources that would use mesh to expropriate nearby fabbers & suitable vessels/morphs. Service providers (of any kind) reaching light speed.
Herbo Herbo's picture
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Arenamontanus wrote:
Think about the age and properties of these rivers. They 1) are highly seasonal, with periods where they are frozen and lack inflow since there is no snowmelt, and periods where there is a lot of water 2) run in an arid landscape with little protective vegetation, 3) the landscape has heavy erosion since it is not yet stabilized, 4) the rivers are heavily controlled and artificial. I would predict they would typically be braided rivers, streams running in a channel of gravel. Each stream will normally be less than a meter deep, except when the river swells and it might become two meters deep. Near the city there are likely concrete banks keeping the channel in place and bridges across it.
Through controlled urban areas I would imagine that the main channels are something utilitarian like current era irrigation canals and the east LA River. On the plus side, I'd be willing to bet that the hab-engineers put in some AR projections to make the bleak channel look a bit more vivacious (at least in the parts of town with classic "river front" prestige). With low gravity comes low elevation potential energy between two points which would (on two equivalent stream channels on Earth and Mars) have a lower flow-rate per depth, which would generally cause the water to move darn slow compared to an Earthling's sensibilities. Luckily most of them are dead as doornails so we can move on :-). However, surface tension becomes a bigger deal in low gravity so martian barges may utilize some sort of skimmer design to distribute the weight more effectively and require less channel depth than a more traditional earthly barge. But the knowledge of nautical craft and the more advanced mechanics that keep things from sinking is beyond my ken. But once that water moves beyond the interests of the controlling parties and into unterraformed areas, it is going to pick up a lot of red martian silty sediment and erode the crud out of the landscape. Also, because of low gravity, sediment will remain suspended for longer than it is on earth which would likely cause any "wild" martian river to be rusty red and muddy looking. Rivers of blood to the romantic Barsoomian observer :-P
fafromnice fafromnice's picture
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I found some sky shot of Barcelona i find it surpriziling fine for an idea of Valles-New-Shangai, it seems an efficient way to put 32 millions people in little dome all-that-is-interesting.com/post/11631868693/the-astounding-design-of-eixample-barcelona

What do you mean a butterfly cause this ? How a butterfly can cause an enviromental system overload on the other side of a 10 000 egos habitat ?

Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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A beehive pattern of city blocks with long avenue above the pedestrian/bicycle/skaters level, and under the elevated avenue/boulevard/freeway, trains and 'subways' hanging New 'Burg would have a bit of Gotham City (mix of TAS/Begins/Beyond style) feel to it, while Nythrondheim would be like Star City and Valles Center like Metropolis, to give a DC Comics frame of reference. Thanks for the idea!
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nerol-1 nerol-1's picture
Thank you!
Thank you a lot for you map, Ashen Victor. It's what I was looking for to use with my group. Streets are not necessary, I think. I needed a map to give a general idea of the city to my players but not a too precise one, I need to "play" with streets and place buildings where I need them :-) Ciao Luca
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DansModernLife DansModernLife's picture
I think you may have
I think you may have misspelled Pittsburgh.
Im new to Eclipse Phase but it looks likes a system that was built for me.