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Got the Third Printing! - But it's messed up...

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Colin Chapman Colin Chapman's picture
Got the Third Printing! - But it's messed up...
Hey, My meaty new third printing copy of EP arrived from Leisure Games today. I eagerly cracked open the cover only to find the contents were upside down (or the cover had been bound on upside down). I hope it's a one-off and not a duff batch, but I've contacted LG to sort a replacement. Colin

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CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
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Wow, that’s a different kinda fault right there :p I just got mine from IGUK, and although there is a teeny tiny bit of moisture damage to the first 30 pages (Not enough to be worth returning) it is fine. So looks like you just got unlucky.
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Colin Chapman Colin Chapman's picture
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It happens. LG should sort things quickly; they're pretty damned reliable. Colin

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CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
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So I went and had a second look at my copy, and I think I have changed my mind about the water damage. Could you maybe check the first 30-70~ pages of your copy, and see if there is any warping on the outside of the pages (Along the margins of the text)? If there is, I will stick with it, if not I think I am going to see about getting a replacement.
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Angry_Ghost Angry_Ghost's picture
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Glad I was too skint to buy it from Leisure Games this week then...Do let us know how the next one turns out as I'm planning on getting mine from them v. soon, if not from a convention this weekend... Didn't realise IGUK had it in stock. Emailed them on Monday but heard nothing back about the 3rd Printing, and as far as I can see all their website says is that they have 3 left of the Catalyst printing...
The Force will be with you. Sometimes.
CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
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Those 3 are the Third Printing, I emailed them and they confirmed it (And the one I got from them is the Third Printing). Oddly enough, it said they had 3 left when I ordered, so I am unsure how trustworthy those numbers are.
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Angry_Ghost Angry_Ghost's picture
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huh well sometimes websites take awhile to update esp. if they have a store front...but IGUK don't... I wonder if it's because all three have water damage or something so they're loathe to update it just yet. I think I'll have to play a wait and see game. I'm very cynical about everything... EDIT: dropped them another email about the third printing to see if they'll get back to me this time EDIT[again]: they did get back to me and have confirmed there's nothing wrong with the batch and it's def. the third printing. Bought it and it's already being sent. Really wanted to go with Leisure Games as they have a great record for getting hard to get books from the US, or books before other stores (like BASH UE new printing, and Savage Worlds Deluxe [next week] but they have shipping costs and all in all it's nearly £10 more for the same product.
The Force will be with you. Sometimes.
AD7 AD7's picture
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Hum! IGUK and Leasure Games, two new places to look for the game. It is nice to know new shops in Europe. Indie Press Revolution is in the States and international packages are expensive. For those who live in Europe (but not in UK) it is very useful to have those alternatives to buy. I tried AmazonUK, but they don't have any :(
Playing an uplift or a solar whale is like playing a bard gnome in DND. They are in the book only for you to wonder "who the hell would play this sh#@t ??"
AdamJury AdamJury's picture
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AD7 wrote:
For those who live in Europe (but not in UK) it is very useful to have those alternatives to buy. I tried AmazonUK, but they don't have any :(
Amazon UK doesn't buy directly from us; they buy from one of the British distributors that buy from us, so they have to wait a little longer before getting the books. Amazon in general is getting a little more conservative in how soon they put up books for pre-order, which is fine with us. Shorter pre-order periods are better in several ways for us. :-)
Angry_Ghost Angry_Ghost's picture
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AdamJury wrote:
AD7 wrote:
For those who live in Europe (but not in UK) it is very useful to have those alternatives to buy. I tried AmazonUK, but they don't have any :(
Amazon UK doesn't buy directly from us; they buy from one of the British distributors that buy from us, so they have to wait a little longer before getting the books. Amazon in general is getting a little more conservative in how soon they put up books for pre-order, which is fine with us. Shorter pre-order periods are better in several ways for us. :-)
That's good to hear. I remember back in the day when Shadowrun 20th Ann. Edition was very limited. I had it on pre-order with Amazon.co.uk for months and months only for them to finally cancel my order and tell me that the book was out of print and would never be released. By that point I had forgotten about my pre-order with them and had already purchased it from IGUK. No idea what's up with IGUK's site mind, it now shows 4 copies left of the Catalyst Version (rather than 3 as stated earlier) - but I am assured by emails to myself and others that it's going to be the Posthuman Studios 3rd printing that turns up on my door (fingers crossed for tomorrow).
The Force will be with you. Sometimes.
CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
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Angry_Ghost wrote:
No idea what's up with IGUK's site mind, it now shows 4 copies left of the Catalyst Version (rather than 3 as stated earlier) - but I am assured by emails to myself and others that it's going to be the Post Human Studios 3rd printing that turns up on my door (fingers crossed for tomorrow).
They got more from their distributor. And it is the Third Printing, I have spent the last 2 days emailing them back and forth getting my replacement sorted out : ) That, and noone has any of the first/second printing left. It is sold out everywhere :p
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Angry_Ghost Angry_Ghost's picture
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thanks for the update - my fingers are crossed (and near broken) that I get it tomorrow for the weekend. :)
The Force will be with you. Sometimes.
AD7 AD7's picture
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I also bought from IGUK, please let us know whether you finally receive the right version or not.
Playing an uplift or a solar whale is like playing a bard gnome in DND. They are in the book only for you to wonder "who the hell would play this sh#@t ??"
Kyorou Kyorou's picture
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CodeBreaker wrote:
I just got mine from IGUK, and although there is a teeny tiny bit of moisture damage to the first 30 pages (Not enough to be worth returning) it is fine.
I have some bad warping on the copy I received from Amazon last week but I think it has more to do with the weather here and the less-than-ideal Amazon packaging than with the printer.
Angry_Ghost Angry_Ghost's picture
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Just received mine this morning from IGUK (despite the autofill putting the wrong postcode on...so lucky there). However, the middle of the book had pages falling out and plenty are stuck together. This doesn't look like it was done in transit, more that it happened at the printing stage (speculation). end result: ruined book. Have contacted IGUK by email (as that's the only way) and am awaiting an answer on a replacement. It was however the third printing. Will post result. EDIT: I'd also say that the top of the pages is cut a little close to the text - in some cases cutting off the top - but this is only on such parts as the pre-generated characters and is probably in acceptable margins (although I'd prefer to have the whole text, I'd rather miss out a couple of mm than have pages falling out!)
The Force will be with you. Sometimes.
Colin Chapman Colin Chapman's picture
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Back from holiday to find my replacement copy from LG, and it's fine. Sound binding, no warping, no binding error or loose pages. Colin

Radioactive Ape Designs: ENnie and Indie Award nominated publisher of Atomic Highway!
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AD7 AD7's picture
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I have just received my copy of the EP core rulebook from IGUK. There is no problem or fault at all. The packaging where the book came seemed pretty shock proof to me. Outstanding lay-out, full-colour, hard-cover and so on. Leaving the content aside, I would rate the book itself as excellent. The book is rather fat and carries a red Posthuman Studios logo, so I guess it is indeed the latest printing. I hope you all get a good copy soon too. :)
Playing an uplift or a solar whale is like playing a bard gnome in DND. They are in the book only for you to wonder "who the hell would play this sh#@t ??"
AdamJury AdamJury's picture
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AD7 wrote:
The book is rather fat and carries a red Posthuman Studios logo, so I guess it is indeed the latest printing.
No need to guess; it absolutely is. :)
Dark Caesar Dark Caesar's picture
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Angry_Ghost wrote:
Just received mine this morning from IGUK (despite the autofill putting the wrong postcode on...so lucky there). However, the middle of the book had pages falling out and plenty are stuck together. This doesn't look like it was done in transit, more that it happened at the printing stage (speculation). end result: ruined book. Have contacted IGUK by email (as that's the only way) and am awaiting an answer on a replacement. It was however the third printing. Will post result. EDIT: I'd also say that the top of the pages is cut a little close to the text - in some cases cutting off the top - but this is only on such parts as the pre-generated characters and is probably in acceptable margins (although I'd prefer to have the whole text, I'd rather miss out a couple of mm than have pages falling out!)
I just got my copy from Amazon 2 days ago and I think I have the same problem with the very tops of pages being cut off in the wrong spot. I'm not noticing any pages falling out or stuck together so hopefully I won't run into that later. The book is still really awesome and I'm glad I got it. Like Angry Ghost said the top being cut wrong is only noticeable on the pre-gen characters and even then all the text is still easily readable so it's 100% functional just maybe 90% as beautiful as it could be. I ordered from Michigan on the original US amazon page (the one AdamJury posted in the amazon thread on the news/events forum)
AdamJury AdamJury's picture
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The placement of the text at the top of the page is an intentional design decision; in the printing process there is a several MM tolerance for cutting, so some copies are cut more "tightly" than others at the top.
Dark Caesar Dark Caesar's picture
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Excellent. Makes me feel better that it's still mint
Harold Harold's picture
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Greeting EP community (it's my first post)! I have a small question regarding the EP corebook: am I correct in assuming that the second printing is sold-out? In other words, if I order the core book on Amazon.com, am I certain to get a copy of the third printing?
AdamJury AdamJury's picture
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Harold wrote:
I have a small question regarding the EP corebook: am I correct in assuming that the second printing is sold-out? In other words, if I order the core book on Amazon.com, am I certain to get a copy of the third printing?
This is correct. Amazon itself has no copies of the earlier printings available. If you order from a third-party seller using Amazon, though, there's no guarantee. So don't do that. Just use this link :-) -- http://tinyurl.com/epamazon
Harold Harold's picture
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Thanks for the quick response. My order has been placed :)
Angry_Ghost Angry_Ghost's picture
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It's taken me a while to post a follow up because it took a couple of weeks to get a replacement from IGUK. As a recap. The first copy I received had pages falling out, there was also chunks of paper that were cut at strange angles protruding from the book. Unfortunately the replacement that I received, whilst not as bad, suffers from the pages coming away from the spine on the right side of the book. Whilst usable, just, it would mean that the life span of the book is seriously shortened and more likely to suffer a hinge break. I was told that there was one more book in store and that it would be sent out to me (both Leisure games and IGUK have always been pretty good if there's an issue) however when the guy checked it he told me that some of the pages were printed upside down - this was earlier reported in this thread from when someone purchased from Leisure Games (i.e., a different retailer). There have been reports of warping too from purchases at Amazon and Leisure Games both with the 3rd Printing and with Panopticon (as seen in another thread). I've been told that IGUK will order some more books and get back to me. I did PM Adam about this a while ago and he's written on this thread but not replied to me, although I wasn't expecting/after a personal response. I do feel that there might be a problem with the printing/printing process, perhaps due to the new thicker pages (which would obviously be great if they stayed in) or the gluing/binding process - but that is pure speculation on my part. Hopefully this post will be taken as it is intended - I mean no grief with anyone on this forum, Posthuman Studios or retailer - I just thought that it's worth passing on my experiences with purchasing the third printing so far and people can take from that what they will. Hopefully it is actually useful. As an aside: The character samples in the book do have the tops chopped off all copies. Posthuman Studios have already said that they are within what they consider to be reasonable margins. Perhaps the formatting will be changed slightly to incorporate all the text in the next printing as I personally feel that all text should be within the book and none of it, or image should be left out.
The Force will be with you. Sometimes.
AdamJury AdamJury's picture
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We're tracking the number of copies that appear to have substandard bindings, but so far it appears to be well within the tolerance level of a print run the size of our most recent print run. It does seem like they may be geographically clustered, though. We bring all such concerns to our printer and work to resolve them. (Posthuman. One word. No CamelCase. :-) )
Angry_Ghost Angry_Ghost's picture
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well I find that to be good news. I'm sure that I'll get a sound copy soon. I am just glad that it's localised and not widespread. - although it's just my luck it's my localised! Heh. Edit: IGUK got back to me to say they have more copies, but these too are coming away from the bindings so they will contact me when they receive a good batch. I'm in no rush, except to give Posthuman Studios some money for their sublime game...
The Force will be with you. Sometimes.
AdamJury AdamJury's picture
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I'm working to get in touch with the right people at IGUK as well; something doesn't seem kosher here. But more likely than not, a series of not-ideal books all ended up in the same shipping case, which ended up at the main UK distributor, which I bet both IGUK and Leisure Games order from. Just to be totally clear, the third printing of Eclipse Phase is smythe sewn, and there SHOULD be a gap between the outer spine and the endsheets that the stitched signatures are glued to. The signatures should not be pulling away from the endsheet, but if they are a little bit, it's probably not going to explode too badly as long as it doesn't get thrown at the wall a bunch. It's possible that there was a gluing deficiency, or some climate issues with that particular batch of books. I'll be looking into this with our printer, but I feel no need to panic yet. I've personally handled dozens of copies of the book and only seen one that wasn't up to snuff. (Posthuman. One word. No CamelCase. :) :) )
fellowhoodlum fellowhoodlum's picture
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My copy arrived here in the Third World. Looks great so far, none of the problems like those reported or like in my copies of Sunward are present. :)
Angry_Ghost Angry_Ghost's picture
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AdamJury wrote:
I'm working to get in touch with the right people at IGUK as well; something doesn't seem kosher here. But more likely than not, a series of not-ideal books all ended up in the same shipping case, which ended up at the main UK distributor, which I bet both IGUK and Leisure Games order from.
I think that you're right that a series of not-ideal books all ended up in the same shipping case, which ended up at the main UK distributor - is that what you're saying isn't kosher?
AdamJury wrote:
Just to be totally clear, the third printing of Eclipse Phase is smythe sewn, and there SHOULD be a gap between the outer spine and the endsheets that the stitched signatures are glued to. The signatures should not be pulling away from the endsheet, but if they are a little bit, it's probably not going to explode too badly as long as it doesn't get thrown at the wall a bunch. It's possible that there was a gluing deficiency, or some climate issues with that particular batch of books.
That's true in both accounts. As for them not likely to fall apart unless thrown at a wall a bunch, that may or may not be the case. If they are not glued properly however, as you have suggested, then it does severely reduce their lifespan. As they are very expensive books it makes sense to want a product that doesn't suffer from a deficiency.
AdamJury wrote:
I'll be looking into this with our printer, but I feel no need to panic yet. I've personally handled dozens of copies of the book and only seen one that wasn't up to snuff.
Agreed. I hope no one thinks I'm griefing, that's not my intention. I have been asked to send photos to IGUK, which I've done. I happy to post them here. I'm disappointed I didn't get a sound copy in time for my birthday (today), but I'm patient and can wait for it to be resolved.
AdamJury wrote:
(Posthuman. One word. No CamelCase. :) :) )
Oh dear, was that me? I am sorry. I get very annoyed when people write "alot" so I'll be more careful in future...:S EDIT: ok, it bugged me too much, have gone back and changed everything to "Posthuman", well expect where I've been quoted. ;P
The Force will be with you. Sometimes.
Kyorou Kyorou's picture
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My replacement copy of the third printing MRB finally arrived (it took its sweet time, even with Amazon's 'Expedited' shipping). It has some warping, which I believe was caused by the lengthy journey and bad weather, but nothing too bad (that's about the same warping my Cthlhutech books have) and the binding looks solid. The top of the titlings on the archetype pages are chopped off but it's still easily readable. Not perfect but still within my margin.
kustenjaeger kustenjaeger's picture
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Greetings I've ordered a hard copy of the core book from IGUK but understand that they are awaiting stock. I'm looking forward to getting the book when it finally turns up. Regards Edward
Edward
godmoney godmoney's picture
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i've had my copy of the 3rd printing for about two weeks from my FLGS. all of the page bundles are stitched together still, but they have all come loose from the backing they were glued to. as long as the strings dont break i think i'm good to go.
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