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Growing up Transhuman

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Enigma32 Enigma32's picture
Growing up Transhuman
My degree is in education. I took more than a few child psychology classes of the course of my degree, and I've had a few questions about growing up transhuman that have been pestering me for a while now. I went back 6 pages in the "Setting" forum and 4 in the "rules" forum and didn't find a page on this, so I figured it would be okay to start one. Here's the questions that I've been chewing on now for a while. 1 - at what age do you get your cortical stack? I imagine that basic biomods are inserted in utero, but what about the cortical stack and basic mesh inserts? What purpose would having basic mesh inserts be at birth? 2 - when do you get your Muse? At birth - is a Muse something you're born with (which would suggest you're born with the Mesh inserts, too; which would mean your access to the greater Mesh would be totally cut off to keep others from hurting you. Not that you'd care; you wouldn't have a clue what that was anyway), or is it something that's given to you when you're a little older, along with the Mesh inserts, like a booster shot? The Muse serves no purpose to you until you're old enough to talk and understand language (around 24 months for the former, around 6 weeks for the latter), but it could help your parents in alerting them to when you're in trouble as a toddler or infant. What about other implants like enhanced vision and skindyes? 3 - speaking of trouble: if the horrific does happen and you do die as a toddler or infant, what are the effects of restoring you from a back up? Would society even bother? At what age would you be considered okay to restore? What if your parents are particularly weird and they decide that everyone would be happier as an infomorph; what would some of the effects of resleeving at that age be? And on that note: What about teenagers so damn determined to be adults that they sleeve in adult bodies, with adult brains? The teenage brain isn't fully developed yet - there's part of the neocortex that is still forming, and your backups would reflect that. When you're installed in an adult body with a fully-formed neocortex, I imagine that the nanites copying you over would just ignore that extra space as something you could possibly grow into, but there's part of me that isn't exactly sure how your brain would go about developing once it's fully developed (trapping you forever as a mental teenager until you've got enough money to undergo psychosurgery and fill out the rest of those blank spots in your brain; by pulling a young and aging ego from a young and aging brain and putting that young ego inside of an old aged brain, there's no way for the young ego to age with the brain. The brain's already aged. This poses a bit of a problem; maybe they have brains especially designed for teenagers who want to resleeve?) 4 - Child safety online; the last thing you want is your kid poking around in the dark corners of the Mesh and infecting themselves with malware (or something far worse - the Exsurgent virus.) Perhaps Muses come complete with some kind of nanny-software that supervise and restrict where you can and can't go as a 4-14 year old, with the restraints getting less and less with each passing year while still blocking certain things (known distributors of snuff porn XPs, for instance). 5 -learning and school. A lot of the schools appear like they're on the Mesh, which gives homeschooling a new spin. Private tutors in the form of AGIs can be accessed on demand. But it seems to me that sort of system, without some kind of large hypercorp or power entity behind it (Welcome to Private Educational Tutors Certification Group [PET-CG], the only Consortium-approved tutor certifying agency on the Mesh), knowledge becomes very hit or miss: It's the DoE in the U.S. that makes sure that all schools stay on the same page and that everyone gets (or is supposed to get) an even education that covers the collective basics that society wants them to have. Without something like that, you no way of making sure that everyone is getting an even education. 6 - Adults who look like children. What do you do when that really cool kid that you're best friends, who lets you come over and hang out all the time, and owns that really fast car, is actually an adult in a neotenic morph? Not so much a child, but as a parent: "But mom, Johnny does it..." "That's because Johnny is really 70 years old." On a far darker note, it becomes much easier to prey on children when you look like one. It'd add an extra layer of stigmatization to neotenic morphs - and how, exactly, do you go about telling a neotenic morph who's acting like a child from an actual child? There's probably more, but those are the questions that I'm left scratching my head over.
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Unity Unity's picture
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I only feel confident about commenting on the point of parents thinking everyone should be infomorphs: At that phase of things, it is a lot more likely that they would be working to design an AGI to treat as a child. And yes, neotenics are pedophile bait if there ever was any, either from the perspective of letting them get closer to children, or ... well, someone sleeving into one to turn tricks for the pedophiles. Though the latter is not really that big a deal, if you can prove it's really an adult in that neotenic and that consent is present.
CodeBreaker CodeBreaker's picture
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I am basically just going to quote the relevant parts of the books, everything else will simply be me guessing and applying my own bias. So! Lets get started. 1) Cortical Stacks in children;
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Almost everyone, with the exception of neo-primitivists and very young children, has a cortical stack.
So it depends on what you consider 'very young children'. Personally, I went with ~2 years old. A trip to the habitats paediatrician and an injection of (extremely well vetted) nanomachines is all that it takes. A week long fever, at worst, and the child now has a cortical stack. Before that I guess that parents might have their child scanned using a specialised ego bridge. 2) When do you get your Muse;
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Muses are AIs that specialize as personal companions, always at a character’s virtual side ever since they were a child.
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Every character starts off with one piece of gear for free: a standard muse (p. 332). This is the digital AI companion that the character has had since they were a child.
That says to me that your Muse isn't something you get at birth, but is something you get fairly early in life. Getting it early makes sense, it allows the Muse to assist in socialization, teaching and monitoring the child. A note, just because a young child doesn't have mesh inserts doesn't mean that they cannot have a Muse. It just means that it either has to be hosted on a remote, habitat server or it is hosted on an ecto and controlled by the child through haptics. So I would say as early as possible. The earlier the better. If the child grows up with their Muse, their parents can rest assured that, at least for a little while, it will see it as an extension of their authority. 3) Resleeving Children and Teenagers No quotes this time. It depends. Having a child in Eclipse Phase is a very purposeful act. It is nearly impossible to have one by mistake, automatic contraceptives built into biomods ensure this outside of the Jovian states. So I would assume that one of the parts of having a child is being able to afford all of the expenses that go along with having that. So any child born will have backup/resleeve insurance paid for by their parents. A child dies, and they are resleeved, it doesn't matter how old they are (barring being so young that they have yet to be backed up) Teenagers; How the hell are these teenagers managing to buy themselves their own, new sleeves? I am not a neurologist, so I cannot say how an underdeveloped brain scan might adapt to a fully developed brain. Anders has a lot of experience in the field, he will almost certainly be a much better source to ask. 4) Child Safety Online Data control is even more powerful in Eclipse Phase than it is now. Today, right now, within the next 15 minutes I could find, download and install software that will limit the websites I can access. So imagine what a century, at least, will do for that. This is exactly the kind of thing Muses are designed for. So I don't think that online safety is a particular fear for any reasonably prepared parent. 5) Learning and School Yes. Almost every single individual in the Inner System lives under a government. Those governments can handle and regulate schools, and apply laws that ensure the quality of each child’s education. The only people who might be influenced are the brinkers. Even they can just send their children to approved schools (Probably Titan approved).
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Dry Observer Dry Observer's picture
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My impression from the Lost experiment is that tampering too dramatically with developing young minds can be extremely dangerous for all involved. Hence, I'd imagine most experts treat the notion of putting a young teenager in a fully adult body with extreme caution. There may be those willing to push the limits, but for those willing to ignore laws, bans and social stigma to achieve a goal, the question remains: For what goal? It may be that adolescent minds, or at least *some* adolescent minds, can adjust. But given what happened with the Lost even before they got their Futura morphs, quite a few people would be unwilling to take that risk. We, of course, know the Lost experienced dramatically accelerated childhoods while exposed to virtually *no* actual human parents, and picked up the Watts-McLeod virus to boot, with all the issues that arise from even short trips to the Mesh, much less being trapped there for years of subjective time, plus the inherent sense of despair and alienation that follows around canon EP asyncs. Which might have been factors as well.

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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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CodeBreaker wrote:
So I would say as early as possible. The earlier the better. If the child grows up with their Muse, their parents can rest assured that, at least for a little while, it will see it as an extension of their authority.
I can envision parents getting a childminder AI right from birth, monitoring and protecting it. It is gradually upgraded with more abilities like play programs, education software, politeness reinforcement and so on.
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I am not a neurologist, so I cannot say how an underdeveloped brain scan might adapt to a fully developed brain. Anders has a lot of experience in the field, he will almost certainly be a much better source to ask.
My problem with resleeving in EP is that it is essentially a Clarke-magical process from a neuroscientific standpoint. Apparently an already existing brain has its neurons reorganized and synapses changed to fit the recorded structure of another brain - this is a *tough* operation. I would have gone for artificial cyberbrains instead, but I did not write the game :-) In any case, since even uplifts and AGIs can be sleeved, I think this sleeving process is able to put nearly any neural network into the brain, even one that is very odd. But the effects might be equally strange. Brain maturation is a pretty important process that takes plenty of time (windows of plasticity open and close, experience is used to format brain area after brain area). So I think putting a child or teenage ego into a normal morph that is not running any brain maturation bioware will end up strangely stuck, or at least strange. Bad idea, although the Fall of course meant that millions of teenagers and children had to anyway. Maybe ego maturation programs are things most polities supply to young people, no matter what their morph is (the synthmorph kids have it even tougher). Or it is something you need to buy from Cognite. And something certain people misuse: if you are feeling old and filled with ennui, why not become teenager again? A PC in my games had a very nice kid biomorph during the Fall, and then found himself stuck as a perpetual tween: the morph would not initiate maturation or puberty without the right parental and corporate keys, and both were gone. He was saving money for buying a better morph and finally become a man.
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Xagroth Xagroth's picture
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I'd say that children don't get their mesh implants until they end adolescence development, and get the basic biomods that are not result of genetic tampering at birth. Until they get the mesh inserts, they use ectos (safer as "take them out, you are safe", unless you enter in contact with a basilisk hack, in which case the child is in a very bad neighbourhood). The cortical stack would be something you get at about 10 or so, before that it would be just regular backup, probably publicly provided almost everywhere (children are rare in the setting, and very precious). The muse is, literally, tied to the child from birth: it watches the child and learns eveerything about him and is the perfect babysitter. Also, it "censors" the mesh contents for the child. Pedophilia: it's easier to go to a pleasure hotel and ask for a prostitute with a neotenic sleeve than face really hard psychosurgery to remove the compulsion if caught. As for the adults sleeved, they would be either professionals helping the children's development or people who enjoys or needs to relate to children (because it's a good psychosurgery treatment outside of VR), so it wouldn't be in their best interest to mess with the kids (not to mention the muse would be using the surrounding sensor net to keep an eye on the children).
Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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Something I wonder is this: where the Futura children purposefully exposed to the Watts McLeod strain? Reminds of what Cerberus did in the second novel of the ME franchise. Bombing a planet with a dangerous material known as Element Zero (familiarly called Eezo) resulting in thousands deaths and miscarriage, but granting three dozens kids with very, very strong Biotics abilities. I wouldn't put it past the Planetary Consortium (especially Cognite and the Psiclone initiative) to do something of that vein Concretely, the way I manage the reproduction in EP verse is a bit inspired by the anime Terra-E. The children in the PC are bred as generic Splicers together in Consortium owned artificial wombs facilities. Couples who want to have kid submit for a license and adoption. They raise the kid for a given amount of time, either 16 or 18 years, and after that time he/she's emancipated and perform a civil or military term of service (earning him/her his/her first money, professional training and civic net account) with no more contact with the foster parents if these choose it to be (contractual option of psychosurgery on both parties to delete or blur childhood memories in the adoption protocol) Muses are implanted in the child before the adoption, along with parental bound Mesh insert. the muse serve both as nanny as well as behavior monitoring, reporting tendencies flagged by the habitat's government and-or the parents. If need be the Muse could perform psychosurgery to "correct" the flagged tendencies.
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Axel the Chimeric Axel the Chimeric's picture
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Oh my, my, my. It's been a long time since I've posted... Wherever kids grow up, it'll be different. It's probably one of the more entertaining topics to think about, since the mindset of a new generation is inevitably both familiar and alien. 1. I imagine a good time to get your cortical stack would be around age 12 but I can't honestly imagine worrying transhuman parents waiting that long, so it's likely that around age 3-5 is normal. In places where death-by-depressurization is not a constant threat, I imagine parents are willing to be more conservative and allow their child to just get bi-annual mental back-ups until the child hits the right age for it. I imagine, though, that wherever you are, no-one really does it before the age of 3-5. 2. Toddler-observing AIs are likely readily available, but, as with a cortical stack, I imagine most kids don't get their mesh inserts until a certain age that varies based on medical advisement and social taboo. They no doubt get their muse at the same time, and any kid who was born after or not long before the Fall likely can't remember a time when they didn't have their muse. Any further implants are likely bioware your parents bought for you and are already included in your genome. Any cyberware wouldn't be implanted until much later since it wouldn't grow with your body with time. 3. I doubt anyone but the most doting of parents keep back-ups of a child younger than 3 or so. Beneath that age line, a toddler or infant that dies stays dead. Particularly attached parents may try to bring them back, but most grief-stricken parents who want their child back are likely just to clone them at that point. As for resleeving a non-adult, this has already been answered, really. 4. Muses with parental control software are likely extremely common. There's also likely more than a few companies that specialize in selling muses that let newly emancipated young adults transfer their muse's personality and learning to a new muse template that provides better functionality while eliminating child-safety features. 5. Education is largely very different by region. Luna is probably closest to the old system, in that it has a large, central body that accredits and certifies eductional programs and institutes. This is likely very similarly patterned in the Morningstar Consortium and the TC, save that the former likely has more local control involved and the latter has indoctrination and government check-ups mixed in as well. Of all things in the Titanian Commonwealth, its education system is probably the one that'd make most people twinge a little. After all, it has to instill its future citizenry with a sense of civic pride and responsibility, as well as teaching them to oppose certain selfish instincts. It's probably one of the things that comes up most often in Martian propaganda against the TC, and, while likely wildly overblown, it's probably also got grains of truth to it. Mars, meanwhile, likely has many accrediting bodies throughout the PC. It also likely has physical schools still, which are as much glorified daycare centres as institutes of learning, with most of the poorer ones being designed simply to prepare kids for a life of future drudgery. The wealthy, meanwhile, simply let their children learn from home with the best tutors money can buy. 6. I doubt pedophile predators are much of a problem in the transhuman age. Neotenic morphs and pleasure pods mean you can act out most fantasies, even violent ones, safely and with consent, even if it's only from a prostitute or an AI. As for identifying who's what, most transhumans likely have their muse pull up relevant information on anyone they talk to, so it's unlikely anyone will mistake a neotenic for a child beyond a first glance. Bringing this to something else, I have to go back to the education one. Since most schooling is now easily personalized, the difference between gifted and lower-intelligence students (which, in an age of gene-fixes and cognitive enhancements, would still be more akin to comparing super-geniuses and the merely above-average) would be even more obvious. A particularly astute youngster could breeze through a year's education in a few months, so there would likely be more hands-on learning and make-work programs involving youths. As such, by the time they're 20, most transhumans likely understand not only fairly advanced materials in maths and the sciences, they are also able to, at the very least, take care of themselves in a society. They know how to perform basic repairs, how the habitat they're in functions, how to speak a few languages, how to do basic scripting... Not because of any particular imperative, but because, if they didn't, they'd run out of things to do.
Thampsan Thampsan's picture
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I can't see that anyone has bought this up, but one has to wonder if the simplest solution to dealing with children is using psychosurgery to curb any dangerous behaviours. And while we're on the subject, why wouldn't a lot of childhood education come in the form of psychosurgical early development stage, very much like Brave New World hypno-learning. It seems illogical that a lot of habitats would leave care of children to the parent when a child is a burden and responsibility of entire habitats. Certainly the methods and rationales may vary from hab to hab, but even collectivist rimward habs would see the benefit to making sure that certain lessons are ingrained in the child from the moment it leaves the exo-womb (or real womb!?) things like "Don't accept and run any .exe files from people you don't know, do not give your parent's account details to the Prince of Pluto, don't attempt to hack lifesupport for S+G" etc. Inner system life may be more gung-ho as Martian resources aren't as freely shared, but there is a lot of planet to go around. But the same thing applies, learning about vac-suit safety from the get go, about not playing with explosives or going near weird machinery. But in the outer system they are *necessary* for long term survival of everyone. Also I can see insurance companies selling psychosurgery in their policies "Death of your child is regrettable. Prevent permanent trauma by accepting our comprehensive psychosurgical package - memory editing, psychotherapy and more by our skilled psychosurgeons. Avoid tragedy. Buy now!" I also imagine that religious/ideological brainwashing would go to whole new extremes within the Jovian Republic and among Ecologists.
Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture
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Thing is, as much as I absolutely loath school, it's an essential step stone for social skills learning and behavioral limits building. Especially in Transition Economy and New Economy societies, where commercial interactions are based on Reputation, either partly or completely And reputations are built pretty early on. Even in old economy and totallitarian regime like the Jovian Junta, school is the perfect place to see what nails stand above the others, and either smack it into the norm or make use of it, like schools nowadays
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Quincey Forder wrote:
Thing is, as much as I absolutely loath school, it's an essential step stone for social skills learning and behavioral limits building.
Not really. I know plenty of people who were home schooled. For some reason the course (Astrophysics!) I intend to do after finishing my current degree is jam packed with them. They are some of the most well adjusted, socially capable people I have ever met. What matters is that you are allowed to interact with people as much as possible, and in Eclipse Phase this is, quite simply, not a problem. The time the children would otherwise spend sitting about in a school doing nothing at all (I don't know about you, but that is what I spent the majority of my High School time doing) is now spent either learning new skills, or actively socialising with peers. Thampsan – I would imagine the primary reason that you don't use psychosurgery on children is because psychosurgery is [i]dangerous as fuck[/i]. Even for adults. There is absolutely no reason what so ever to risk a childs already fragile Ego (Kiddies have WIL averages of 5. They are not resilient little buggers.) by going in and messing with their brains. Especially just to prevent things that are just as preventable with good parenting. Off topic, and not directed at anyone in particular, but this is something I have been noticing a lot lately. Psychosurgery being the go to answer for any Ego related problem, no matter how trivial. Psychosurgery is not a trivial task. It is the equivalent of modern day, serious surgery. It requires an equally skilled medical expert to attempt, and like surgery there are many alternative treatments that are almost certainly considered first. Psychiatry and Psychotherapy must, 120~ years from now, be extremely mature sciences. Happened to pick up a couple of derangements and a whole load of stress damage on your last mission? It is much, much safer to buy a couple of sessions with a trained CBT professional (Or whatever the EP equivalent is) and just work the stress out than risk breaking your mind even more by subjecting it to the dangers of a psychosurgery routine.
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Axel the Chimeric Axel the Chimeric's picture
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Comparing psychosurgery to modern day surgery is very much apt. None but the absolutely most insane parents would consider such a thng and would be made pariahs for it in any reasonable colony (likely with criminal consequences). Schooling to educate someone is, most anywhere in the system, more likely to resemble home-schooling than anything else (especially in PC or Anarchist habs), but there are likely exceptions. I imagine it's a part of constant debate in some areas. One of the things I fear for the Titanian Commonwealth is the lingering spectre of Jante Law, which, combined with a necessity for indoctrination at a young age, would necessitate a public schooling system so that it can be ensured that all children receive a certain level of "cultural education".
Thampsan Thampsan's picture
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Code Breaker, I disagree, whilst there is some danger children are the perfect candidates for psychosurgery, their low WIL score means that while the danger of stress causing serious mental impairment is increased, it also makes for greater likelihood that the psychosurgery will take permanently. Plus, and I might be a little cynical/nihilistic here, but if permanent damage is done than restoring your child from a backup is far less likely to cause serious long term existential angst than restoring an adult who has a full and rich history of memories they stand to lose between backups. Besides most psychosurgery is done on forks first anyway, plus the mind really is just a program. Edit it. Change it. Modify it. Psychosurgery is another tool on the path to the perfect organism and an invaluable social tool.
MirrorField MirrorField's picture
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1. I suspect this depends on brain development and GM. I'd personally suspect around 15-16 for mesh inserts and somewhat earlier (6-9?) for cortical stack. In general, I'd say that implants in a growing child are finicky things and only most necessary stuff (like basic biomods) are implanted before body develops into maturity; and even then child gets a checkup every few months to tune and adjust those implants. 2. I'd say pretty soon after birth. IMHO the muse is first incarnated as some nice fuzzy toy (think talking teddy bear and/or those cats from sailor moon) and includes stuff like child safety expert system and first education softwares (you want your child to grow up learning proper BBC English/whatever). 3. As other people have noted on this thread, I'd suspect regular backups start at age 3-4. I'd also suspect that most people would then custom-grow a clone body (people who have children in this setting are *not* poor...) to appropriate stage of brain development. Or get a pod and simply emulate proper brain development. Teenagers (or younger) sleeving into adult bodies might IMHO result in persistent and "interesting" personality development problems, varying from "slightly odd" to "nearly non-functional". Still, I'd suspect that it would be relatively easy to program a pod hardware to emulate a developing brain and let the mind develop more-or-less normally. 4. Nanny software is pretty much a must, though the degree of intervention and snoopiness is something that requires constant and careful balancing. Children won't like "snitchware" and most parents will prefer their children to having muse to guard their kids from real nasty dangers instead of children conspiring to ditch their muses to eg. score age-inappropriate XPs. 5. My interpretation (stolen from earlier THS campaign): Child's muse knows it's charge's tastes, style, talents, preferences, etc. better than anyone else. Teaching software (supercharged version of "Khan Academy") is downloaded and muse functions as primary teacher, escalating any problems it can't handle to parents and/or software provider. Basic education starts before the child can even walk (and I suspect most edusoftware includes things like proper poise, pronunciation, etc.) Of course, the educational content outside ideologically neutral subjects like mathematics, physics, etc. becomes a hot potato. I'd also suspect that certain packages have reputation despite official pressure ("Everyone knows argonauts make best hard-science edusoftware.") 6. One would suspect that neotenic prostitutes and VR software have pretty much mitigated worst of the pedophilia problem, though nobody will ever voluntarily confess visiting such prostitutes and most people having such ...problems... are already getting psych treatment for it. Also, I'd suspect that many people would find sleeving in a neotenic and playing with other children (in absolutely non-sexual sense) a really neat way to have a relaxing vacation (ObSF: John Varley, _Good Bye, Robinson Crusoe_).
Xagroth Xagroth's picture
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Thampsan wrote:
I can't see that anyone has bought this up, but one has to wonder if the simplest solution to dealing with children is using psychosurgery to curb any dangerous behaviours. And while we're on the subject, why wouldn't a lot of childhood education come in the form of psychosurgical early development stage, very much like Brave New World hypno-learning. It seems illogical that a lot of habitats would leave care of children to the parent when a child is a burden and responsibility of entire habitats.
And this is the origin of the Lost Generation. Seriously, TRANShuman, no POSThuman, so you need a human base... and usually that means "analogic" (as in "obsolescent and simple") ways of doing things ^^ Now regarding the socializing, remember that there is a lot of VR, and children can use ectos (which can be "capped" and have a muse in "parental control" mode), so they will interact a lot between them, just not truly in person. Which is quite logical, since most of the population that can/want have children lives in artificial orbital habitats. - In the Moon, consider it like any other "first world" country: low birth rate (people don't die or age anyway...), and some hours of group class per week (so the "heirs" can get to known each other, "fall in love" and be used as some sort of "contract safety" between powerful families...). - In Mars, consider it like a society in the transition phase from the rural living to the cities, or as early-20th century analogous situations in the cities (slums, red districts, rich center...): lots of births in the countryside, poor educational levels, people migrating to the city looking for better futures, exploitative systems in the cities... - The autonomists would opt for the VR supported education, with some grupal classes, and forcing a little the children to go and play physically. Because children need to learn to move and enjoy moving, without regard to the health status of the body and what they do on VR: children are extremely plastic creatures (mentally), so if they get used to do everything on VR, there are high chances that they will become inphomorphs as soon as they can, and leave the physicall world aside (also, low values on SOM, for example...).
terranova210486 terranova210486's picture
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I wonder what family life would be like in different parts of the Solar System? I mean, how would a family on Venus be different from a family in the Jovian Junta? And what would a PC family be like compared to an anarchist family group?
terranova210486 terranova210486's picture
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I wonder what family life would be like in different parts of the Solar System? I mean, how would a family on Venus be different from a family in the Jovian Junta? And what would a PC family be like compared to an anarchist family group?
Axel the Chimeric Axel the Chimeric's picture
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Remember that, even on the same planet, or in the same orbit, cultures can still differ wildly. Venus, for example, has PC and Morningstar habs, which will be more conservative and liberal respectively, but even the PC Venusian habs will seem liberal by Martian standards. No two habitats will be the same; each is a nation unto itself, which may share some aspects with other nearby or more distant habs but is ultimately unique. This is, of course, before you get into the further cultural complications. Most likely, the families follow the modern formula, with one or two parents of either gender raising a child or children together. This pattern is likely the same in any part of the system, given the relatively libertarian style of transhuman life. Exceptions exist among early space colonists, who likely have extended family (which is a rarity among transhumans, largely due to the Fall but also due to the fractious nature of the lifestyle), but they're the exception, not the rule. Some particularly notable exceptions are extended clans, be they by familial or honourary ties. Crime syndicates, for example, or people with family in law enforcement communities, or gerontocrat groups. People in these groups aren't quite family in the conventional sense but they might as well be. In any case, family is likely not something to be sniffed at. In the transhuman world, who you know is everything. Your parents and siblings are connections and resources, and, if you are born into a family tied to one of these clans, there's likely a combination of social pressures and benefits that will have a heavy effect on your life. Beyond this generalization, there's a whole world of wonderful detail and unusual examples, but it'd take forever to outline even a fraction.
PredatoryMollusk PredatoryMollusk's picture
Re: Growing up Transhuman
I'm in education too! Generally, I'm in agreement with what most people have said about growing up transhuman. I think a childhood that is closer to our biological tradition is what most families would want, in the interest of preserving a core of humanity. The transhuman elements would slowly be applied over the course of 15 to 20 years (mesh inserts, Muse, stuff like that), and parents would do their damnedest to let the normal path of development run it's course. We would grow up human, then become transhuman when we reach emerging adulthood or adolescence. I do think that cortical stacks and backups would be the exception. Parents would want to do everything they can to give their child a normal developmental phase, on a normal schedule, so they would do frequent backups and an early cortical stack (maybe 2 or 3). I could even imagine a specialized form of backup insurance for parents that offers morphs at specific ages of development for their children to re-sleeve into. Of course not everyone could afford it... This would all probably be the mainstream way of doing things, even in Autonomist communities I think this would be the way it goes. Everyone would likely recognize that childhood and education is crucial, and it's one of those things we probably shouldn't screw with. BUT, of course there would be all kinds of crazy variations, and I don't think they would all necessarily produce sociopathic murderers or baby TITANS. I finished reading Diaspora by Greg Egan a few weeks ago, and that book offers a pretty good, believable example of an intelligent being (an AGI infomorph) going through childhood without parents, within a massive computer simulation. And that character developed into a caring, compassionate, socially responsible person. So I think there would be plenty of communities that would want to create new people, and do it in a new way that suits their niche within transhumanity. I think the results in most cases would just be... a little different.
Xagroth Xagroth's picture
Re: Growing up Transhuman
My GM skills just focused like a shark smelling blood at the "most families" part... and suddenly popped out "exhuman" "posthuman" and "ultimates". And of course "black researchs" XD. As for the backups, we should distinguish between four groups: those who can afford it and those who cannot, and those who live where it's needed and those who don't. From Mercury to Mars or so, it shouldn't be really a need. Further away, it might, and on exoplanets it really is. There isn't much need to kill children, and having a muse 24/7 watching for the child (even in an infomorph state travelling through the local mesh) prevents tons of accidents (and robots are really cheap...). People who can afford it... of course, the rich and the elite... a 6 months backup insurance is quite expensive and you have to pay monthly for it. Remove the morph ready for the child if something happens and you might get it just for 250-500 creds per month... And god forbid a fork of your child ends with Nine Lives (people can be really depraved... specially when they have all the time and money in the world and nothing to do but to fight boredom. Psychological torture of a child might be something some people want to do... Not to mention all that shady projects that would require "clean" subjects, the attemps to revive the project that made the Lost Generation...). Yeah, I'm of those old GM's that like the phrase "homo homini lupus" as a base for adventures ^^U
Covariant Covariant's picture
Re: Growing up Transhuman
I find the worry about pedophiles rather overstated. Discounting the fact that the concern for the well being of children in the West is a cultural more that shouldn't be generalized to future societies, and ignoring the fact that "adolescence" is a modern concept related to removing child labor from competition in the labor pool, you now have to face the fact that in a transhuman culture, children themselves are fundamentally different creatures than they are today. Outside of the Jovian Republic, education will be almost entirely relegated to the Muse. Anyone who has a child will be a member of the creative class, and training the children to be creative will be of paramount importance. To train creativity, the children must be free to explore subjects to their whimsey, and will need directly relevant constructive criticism on whatever esoteric field they are diving into that day. The whole concept of the Muse is rather explicitly designed for this role. It may not be able to have an expert level rating in any given skill, but neither will the child. It can have an overview understanding of the subject, and will intimately understand the psychology of the child, so it can provide the proper feedback without wasting the time of a subject expert. As to the fear of sexual predators stalking children on the Mesh when they aren't being supervised by their parents: children with a Muse are never alone. The Muse is sure to have a wiki entry on predatory sex habits, and sex education without a puritanical society will occur at a very young age. The concept of a sexual predator is entirely reliant upon a vulnerable class of easily victimized people. Transhuman children are not vulnerable, are in no way ignorant of sex or the sexual desires of the other party, and are therefore not easy to victimize.