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Jay Dugger Jay Dugger's picture
Mormons in E.P.
Rather than let this rot on the local hard drive, I decided to post what I have so far. 1 Disclaimer The following work of fiction extrapolates the role of particular religious ideas in the context of the role-playing-game Eclipse Phase. Where applicable, I've linked to Wikipedia. I mean this to entertain, not to educate, nor to offend. If you want to learn more about the Mormon religion, try www.lds.org. If you want to learn more about the intersection of Mormons and transhumanism, try transfigurism.org. If you want to argue theology, correct "mistaken interpretations," or proselytize, try doing something productive instead. 2 Established 2.1 Published material I found only one mention in the published material (as of early 2011), a reference to "New Salt Lake" in Sunward. 2.2 Forums I found only a few mentions of Mormons in the Eclipse Phase forums. Arenamontanus wrote most of these posts as descriptions of the games in which he plays. This provided The Mormons are around in force. The Mormons survived the Fall unusually well. The Mormons had a habitat, Deseret, in High Earth Orbit, but lost it in the Fall. A split exists between the Extropian Mormons and the Mormon Tabernacle on Mars. There exists a Mormon NPC, a "bad-ass gunslinger" a la the Dogs in the Vineyard RPG. 3 History A short time line of significant events in Mormon history. It includes a good many real-world events, both as context for latter recycling, and because real-world Mormon history deeply involved settling the American West, which Eclipse Phase's Mars parallels. 3.1 Pre-Fall 3.1.1 In Real Life Early History Revelation Ohio Missouri Nauvoo Succession Crisis Pioneer Era Migration to Utah Mormon Reformation Utah War The Railroad, Polygamy, the "Mormon Question" 1890 Manifesto Modern Era Reestablishing Church Institution Second Manifesto Statehood Multiculturalism 3.1.2 BF 60+ Increasing Mormon emphasis on "Preparedness" White Horse Prophecy Mormon Folklore American Pinochet Theodemocracy 3.1.3 BF 60-40 BF 60-50 BF 50-40 Great Exodus (c.f., Mormon Exodus) begins The first space elevator's completion, the initial Martian terraforming efforts, and the continuing unrest on Earth combined with Mormon emphasis on preparedness and their early history of persecution (i.a., 1838 Mormon War, Illinois Mormon War, Utah War, Edmunds-Tucker Act, Missouri Executive Order 44, etc.) to encourage the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to establish off-Earth colonies. The first such was the Tabernacle on Mars, and the second was the HEO habitat Deseret. The Great Exodus continued until the Fall. It founded no other new uniquely Mormon colonies. It placed Mormon communities in other ore-existing habitats. 3.1.4 BF 40-20 BF 40-30 Great Exodus continues Founding of Tabernacle on Mars at New Salt Lake Possibly the first Masonic lodge on Mars BF 30-20 Construction of Deseret habitat in HEO 3.1.5 BF 20-0 BF 20-10 Great Exodus continues Various Mormon groups settle in pre-existing communities, mostly in Extropia, but also on Luna. Third Great Awakening A strong revival of religious belief, especially in North America, Central America, occurs. Relative economic decline fuels the event, and reactions to the invention of the cortical stack, AGI, and the various uplift projects fuel the social movement. BF 10-0 Great Exodus ends Various small brinker and isolate communities founded. These few communities have small populations, odd theological quirks. The bioconservative fraction of these settlements later join the Jovian Republic. 3.2 The Fall The worst thing that ever happened. Most of the human race dies. Deseret habitat in HEO destroyed. 3.3 Post-Fall 3.3.1 AF 0-5 Second succession crisis The second succession crisis in the Latter Day Saint movement occurred after the death of the most of the upper hierarchy of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in the Fall. Three main branches existed in as many distinct cultural regions: the Tabernacle on Mars, the Extropian Mormons on 44 Nysa (Extropia), and various Brinker colonies further divided by doctrine. 3.3.2 AF 5-10 Council of Fifty See Wikipedia for its real-world history. Based on Luna and in Earth orbit Reclaimers The long-standing Mormon belief in establishing Zion (a utopian association of the righteous), or a New Jerusalem, in America focuses Reclaimer sentiments among Mormon survivors of the fall. Reconciliation among post-Fall denominations This usually involves access to records held on Mars, funding provided from Extropia through Lunar banks, and negotiating doctrinal disputes. Extropian Mormons become active in the Underground Railroad. Smuggling indentures from Mars to Extropia, rehabilitation, funding.
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InsidiousAlgorythm InsidiousAlgorythm's picture
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Mormons? Run, Now. Looks like a great write up so far though.
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Jay Dugger wrote:
Rather than let this rot on the local hard drive, I decided to post what I have so far.
Great start!
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I found only one mention in the published material (as of early 2011), a reference to "New Salt Lake" in Sunward.
This sounds like it is a place on Mars. Maybe a settlement somewhere in the Vallis Marineris?
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Third Great Awakening A strong revival of religious belief, especially in North America, Central America, occurs. Relative economic decline fuels the event, and reactions to the invention of the cortical stack, AGI, and the various uplift projects fuel the social movement.
This also fits in with other religious/bio/conservative constellations appearing and later coming together in the Junta. Incidentally, it might be worth looking at the different polities and their views of the LDS movement. I think the Junta, while fairly happy with small devoted settlements with conservative views, doesn't like trans-planetary churches at all. A bit like China and the Catholic Church - it could become a destabilizing outside influence. So the big mainstream LDS groups are hindered from operating in Jovian society, but small splinters are fine. The PC and MC are likely entirely neutral or mildly positive. Upstanding citizens that don't mess with too dangerous technologies, fine. The only problem might be their reclaimer interests. I wonder about what autonomist LDS groups would be like. The Extropian LDS are likely fairly normal, just enjoying the freedom of their society (but then again, even the PC is a free society along the dimensions the LDS care most about). But what about anarchist LDS?
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Reconciliation among post-Fall denominations This usually involves access to records held on Mars, funding provided from Extropia through Lunar banks, and negotiating doctrinal disputes. Extropian Mormons become active in the Underground Railroad. Smuggling indentures from Mars to Extropia, rehabilitation, funding.
I imagine that the split was fairly mild - succession issues, likely some crucial doctrinal thing (maybe forking, non-human members or Earth reclaiming) - firm enough to keep them apart, yet mostly working together. The LDS interest in genealogy might have led to interesting spin-offs in large scale genomics and egobanking. As well as the enormous mission to catalogue and trace all the dead and survivors of the Fall - this might be a big inter-societal project where the LDS are important. Overall, the LDS emphasis on charity likely means they are involved in a whole bunch of interesting projects. I can see something similar to the Onesimus charity I briefly introduced in the Meltwater thread (in the backstory of father Lu), a charity that helps buy out indenture contracts of believers. There could be LDS linked embodiment charities active in the outer system, trying to help the disembodied of Saturn. Hmm, I wonder about the doctrinal issues of being sleeved in a synth vs biomorph. Are there any? I take it that the pro-health teachings are just that, not some claim there is anything inherently good about being biomorph (or that enhancement is necessarily bad).
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Jay Dugger Jay Dugger's picture
Re: Mormons in E.P.
1 Disclaimer 2 Established 3 History 4 Denominations of the Church 4.1 Mars 4.1.1 Tabernacle • Located in New Salt Lake • Population too small to affect Planetary Consortium elections despite reliably voting as a single bloc 4.1.2 Best Claim The Tabernacle on Mars in New Salt Lake contains • a backup of the Family History Library, the Granite Mountain Records Vault (lost on Earth during the Fall and presumed destroyed), and the FamilySearch mesh service. • a fork of the Church History Library. Very few original documents exist on Mars. The collection also has increasingly less value to different denominations in the post-Great Exodus era as their creeds diverge. • the first and oldest surviving off-Earth Mormon temple, and the only one to still perform the Nauvoo Endowment 4.1.3 Conservatism • The Tabernacle recognizes the plural marriage doctrine, but discourages its practice even in jurisdictions permitting polygamy. This might happen because of habit, revelation, or in the hope of avoiding the whole mess made by resleeving. Opinions differ. 4.1.4 Fall Evacuee reunion project • This would very likely have a different name, something with “Family” in the title. • Similar to the Immigrant Ancestors Project • Overlaps with Fall criminal hunting, a la Simon Wiesenthal Center. 4.1.5 Adventure Seeds • recreate ZCMI (Zions Cooperative Mercantile Institution) • aggressive calls for a new Mormon Reformation 4.2 Extropia 4.3 Brinkers 5 Doctrine
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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Jay Dugger wrote:
Fall Evacuee reunion project • This would very likely have a different name, something with “Family” in the title. • Similar to the Immigrant Ancestors Project • Overlaps with Fall criminal hunting, a la Simon Wiesenthal Center.
Reunited Families? (oops, already taken) I like the Fall criminal hunting aspect. Digging into the events of the fall has a tendency to find uncomfortable information. I guess the method is mainly to find evidence, present it to the authorities and media (to get the authorities to act on it), and then let justice take its course.
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I am looking forward towards their views on Factors and Extraterrestrial life.
[I]Raise your hands to the sky and break the chains. With transhumanism we can smash the matriarchy together.[/i]
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1 Disclaimer 2 Established 3 History 4 Denominations of the Church 4.1 Extropia 4.1.1 Numerous • No bloc voting. . . they’re Extropians, you know. Ask N Extropians one at a time and get N opinions. Ask N Extropians at all once and get N*N opinions. • Fairly conservative by local standards – nuclear and extended families, – the “Amish” of Extropia (see Dcotirne–Refusals) – Wanderjahr practice common 4.1.2 Heretical Extremely diverse in practice and doctrine by Mormon standards • Plural marriage • Sealing – generalized from historical practice – basis for contracts and inheritance in local PPL • United Order • Free Agency • Heavenly Mother 4.1.3 Adventure Seeds • Wanderjahr - Spinrad, N. "Child of Fortune." - Card, O. S. The Chronicles of Alvin Maker. (aka the last good thing he wrote) 4.2 Brinkers 5 Doctrine
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1 Disclaimer 2 Established 3 History 4 Denominations of the Church 4.1 Extropia 4.2 Brinkers There exist a small number (2>N>6 ?) of independent Mormon communities. These parallel in fiction the real-world forks of the Mormon church, such as the contemporary FLDS in Texas, the historic isolated Mormon colonies in Mexico, or the small post-Succession Crisis off-shoots led by Charles B. Thompson or William C. Conway (reincarnation, OTO, and Druidry!). 4.2.1 balkanized Weakly allied with each other by common enemies, divided by common history 4.2.2 devout Some Brinkers claim to practice the Nauvoo Endowment in their own ceremonies. Comparing temple ceremonies with the Tabernacle would prove the case, but neither faction has resources to spare for infiltrating the other. 4.2.3 heretical Various brinker colonies have one or more of the following characteristcs • communists (not in name) under the United Order • eugenicists • polygamists • Adam-God Doctrine 4.2.4 Isolated • Christian communalism • Theodemocracy • United Order 4.2.5 Ties to other factions • Exhumans Overlap with Adam-God Doctrihe • Jovian Republic – provide aid and advisors – opportunities for recruiting and missionary work 4.2.6 Adventure Seeds • Your Own Private Hell A brinker community wants to hire simulspace designers, psychosurgeons, and sadoporn performance artists to recreate the various Degrees of glory and Outer darkness. 5 Doctrine
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1 Disclaimer 2 Established 3 History 4 Denominations of the Church 5 Doctrine 5.1 Adaptations to 5.1.1 Aliens Overlaps with Adam-God Doctrine (I realize this interested readers, but I don't use aliens, Gates, or Psi in my game. They all happen off-screen, so to speak, and I have only so much effort to expend.) 5.1.2 Cortical stacks • resleeving as resurrection – The Extropian Mormons find resleeving a literal instance of the resurrection of the dead into perfected bodies. Of course, reality differs, and the Tabernacle on Mars’s yielding to the political realities of Planetary Consortium rule on Mars greatly aggravates relations between the two branches of the Mormon Church. – multiple mortal probations See also William C. Conway’s ideas on resurrection • non-human morphs incapable of full participation in the Church (see Uplifts, below) – exact limit of variation at issue – non-humanoid incapable of church fellowship – neo-homnid, ruster, betta, bouncer, slyph, etc., all disputed by various factions – flats, splicers, olympian, exalt, fury generally accepted – futuras as yet lack a test case 5.1.3 TITANS • as the Devil and his angels, incarnate • Exsurgents as the literal Sons of perdition • Exsurgent Virus as converse Book of Mormon – literal scripture of damnation – testimony of perdition 5.1.4 Uplifts • resleeving into non-human morphs generally held as rejecting the doctrine of man made in God’s image • incapable of salvation or priesthood without resleeving into human morphs • "native" uplifts – generally uninterested – presumed acceptable with resleeving into “approved” morph 5.1.5 Uploading • as Exaltation • as afterlife – incapable of participation in certain Church rites ∗ baptism ∗ sacrament ∗ fasting – capable of participation in or approval of proxy rites ∗ baptism for the dead • as slavery General philosophical opposition, but. . . – practical concerns on Mars override the Tabernacle’s objections – on Extropia divided according to usual dispute: ∗ Slavery contradicts freedom ∗ Sanctity of contracts . . . which aggravates the differences between the two surviving factions. 5.1.6 The Fall • Reclaimers – Council of Fifty – Garden of Eden physically located in North America • restored the Law of Adoption historic precedent for a mechanism of resleeving and supporting Fall infugees • Adventure Seeds – recovering documents from Church history 1. Mormonism Unvailed [sic] 2. An Insider’s View of Mormon Origins 3. Book of Abraham 4. The Joseph Smith Papers Project 5. Utah Lighthouse Ministry – archaelogical artifacts such as the Iazpa Stela 5 – vulnerable to fraud and con men such as Mark Hoffman – internal dissension, see “Strengthening Church Members Committee” 5.2 Modifications to 5.2.1 Baptism for the dead • If possible, the Tabernacle on Mars allows infomorphs to temporarily sleeve morphs for church rites. • Extropian Mormons generally do this in simulspace. • Brinkers vary. 5.2.2 Blood atonement • Reclaimer • Brinker 5.2.3 Danite • motivations – Firewall – Ozma • among Extropian Mormons 5.2.4 Genealogy See Tabernacle (above) 5.2.5 plural marriage 5.2.6 Spirit World This point of Mormon theology can get realized by running cortical stacks of the deceased in simulspaces. • The Tabernacle on Mars (and the lost habitat of Deseret) both had substantial virtual worlds for missionary work among the infomorph dead. • Records of which infomorphs accepted Mormon belief have high value to most Mormons, regardless of sect. The Tabernacle has the best such records. 5.2.7 Word of Wisdom See Cortical stacks (above) and Moral agency (below) 5.3 Unchanged 5.3.1 continuing revelation 5.3.2 Endowment 5.3.3 King Follet discourse of 1844 • popular with – Brinkers – Extropian Mormons • minimized by the Tabernacle on Mars 5.3.4 Moral agency The importance of free will in the Mormon plan of salvation • leads to an extension of the Word of Wisdom against • Alpha forks, as "free-willed spirits," have moral agency, right up to reintegration–which might or might not violate moral agency. • Gamma forks lack moral agency, as they simply overlay an extant AGI. 5.3.5 Mormonism and Freemasonry Look this up for yourself; I do not care to speculate on this point. 5.3.6 Sealing ritual preserves family relationships past death (resleeving, etc.) 5.4 Refusals 5.4.1 Overlaps with the Word of Wisdom 5.4.2 Similar to, but less strict than, Amish restrictions • prevent “active” practice • allows ownership, research, and other “passive” support • e.g., okay to own a casino but not to work as a croupier
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Lots of good stuff here. How do you want to proceed?
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Jay Dugger Jay Dugger's picture
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Thank you for the kind comment. Unfortunately, I have only so much effort to expend, and Mormons (like psi, aliens, and Firewall) won't show up in the game I GM. We've actually more use for rules about futures markets than an outline of the vicissitudes suffered by a particular Christian denomination. That said, I'll gladly slip into "lecture mode" on almost any of the points left vague above if it'll help someone using it in play.
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There is some very
There is some very interesting information here. Before I get too far, let me say that I don't mean to offend anyone, but I believe in facts that can be proven and am not a religious person by nature (due to having a logical-thinking engineering mindset). But I am fascinated by Jay Dugger's information as well as the comments by Arenamontanus, and like the minor details provided so far in including and covering the LDS church in Eclipse Phase. As someone who is friends with an works with several Mormon's (who are all technologically savvy PhD and M.S, degree Chemists and Engineers (as well as a couple of patent and business Attorneys)), as contrary to popular belief most of the rumors you hear about Mormon's are not true, as they are very scientifically and logically oriented and are the only church under the Christian heading that agrees completely with scientific theories (their view of the evolution/creation debate is that the universe was created via the chemical and physics principles and laws that have been proven via the scientific method). Thus they believe that the universe was created, but that it took billions of years (via stellar and biological evolution) and that there is other intelligent life out there in the universe. Personally, I work in R&D at a fortune 100 company that has a multi-billion dollar annual research budget and there are a moderate number of Mormons who I work with, and they are not only some of the most logical and scientific minded people I know, but also some of the most patient and tolerant. When I was reading the Eclipse Phase rulebook the past couple weeks after picking it up at GenCon this year, and saw the statement that most of the Christian sects did not make the transition after the Fall due to their unwillingness or unaccepting attitudes about technological advancement the first thought that poped into my head was 'Wait, the Mormon's would have made the transition easily, as they embrace technology and science and don't follow the backwards beliefs of most other Christian faiths.' As such, I may be contacting you, Jay to learn more about your take on how the LDS church would adapt to life after the Fall, since you haven't posted in this thread in more than three years. I could see the LDS church possibly even funding some exosystem exploration missions through the Gates (to try to find other "children of God" out there in the universe). And seeing first hand how frugal many of the Mormons I know are and the kinds of funds they donate to the LDS church and the fact that those funds are used differently than in nearly all the other Christian churches (unlike the others were the priests and preachers live "high on the hog" off of those donations, from what I've been told the leaders of the LDS church, both locally and world-wide serve on a volunteer basis), I suspect that they would be in a very good position financially after the Fall. So there is potential for some interesting plot hooks with incorporating such an organization into the EP setting in my opinion.
MephitJames MephitJames's picture
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I've been writing some stuff on religions in EP and I think this is spot on. I had some thoughts along these lines, although I put Deseret in the Martian outback instead of an orbital hab. If you're alright with this, I'd like to incorporate this into my own description.
Jay Dugger Jay Dugger's picture
Sure, have fun with it in
Sure, have fun with it in your own game play. If you quote it extensively elsewhere, please add a reference back to this thread and to the thread here in which Anders Sandberg made his earlier speculations on this theme.
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