I believe I read that there are approximately 500 million transhumans who survived the fall in Eclipse Phase' setting.
What's the breakdown on the totals of the rest of the population?
What percentage are AGI?
Infomorph (do AGI and Infomorphs even count in the total population)?
Uplifts?
Did many uplifts escape from Earth, vs how many are simply uplifts that already lived off-Earth?
I don't see the total number of uplifts in universe as being more than 10 mil, maybe 15 mil, in any game I GM, is this a fair number? Too much? Too Little? I've got players who want to play Uplifts but believe they have far greater numbers than I think are realistic. Obviously, I've got final say as GM and can just put my foot down, but I'm not sure what I think is likely.
Also, how many of each uplift are likely?
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Population Demographics Question
Tue, 2011-03-15 21:19
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Population Demographics Question
Tue, 2011-03-15 23:25
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Re: Population Demographics Question
Depending on the faction will depend if Uplifts and AGIs are considered transhumans. For instance the Jovian Republic doesn't consider anything but Flats and Splicers to be human and part of their population numbers.
I don't think too many uplifts were part of the evacuations of the Earth. Transhumans are greedy individuals and think they are better then uplifts. This means they wouldn't willingly let an Uplift take a spot on a transport that they or their family can have.
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Tue, 2011-03-15 23:30
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Re: Population Demographics Question
The whole point of EP is that you can't make any general statement about all transhumans. :P Probably accurate for many people, though.
To what extent did uplifts exist at all pre-fall? Would they have been saved by any method (transport, uploading)?
Wed, 2011-03-16 03:22
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Re: Population Demographics Question
I think the correct term for an uplift would be a "transanimal". Transhuman largely denotes the artificially-induced evolution from human to posthuman. Uplifts didn't evolve from humans (albeit they were created by humans). I don't think AGIs would be classified as a trans-anything... there are no real species when you start talking about artificial intelligence.
They might have been. The more likely possibility is that the uplifts in the system today were probably not even born on Earth, likely growing in a number of off-world hypercorp experimental facilities.
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Wed, 2011-03-16 09:56
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Re: Population Demographics Question
We're never given a number. However, AGI are likely to be fairly unusual. They're completely banned in many areas, and looked on with suspicion in most others. (What's the difference between an AGI and a seed AI? The same difference between Chernobyl and Fukushima - significant, but the general population doesn't care enough to learn.)
Highest populations are almost certainly towards the rim.
Infomorphs also are not specifically documented, and are really impossible to document. Do you count an ego in cold storage? An ego who regularly puppetsocks? All we can guess is that it's likely 'substantial'. Inner system received the most infomorph refugees, and also has artificial scarcity on morphs, meaning that a majority of refugees will be infomorphs for at least some of their time.
Rimward, scarcity of morphs is genuine, and the hostile environment makes infomorphs preferable, so we'll still see plenty of infomorphs. Plus there's less morph prejudice to keep people in bodies.
Even the Jovians may decide to use infomorphs (if you're already an infugee, there's nothing left to lose, and you're more reliable than an AI), although they won't be counted in population.
Only the gatecrashers are unlikely to hold a significant infomorph population. Outside of them, I feel comfortable guessing populations at around 40%?
On the one hand, infomorphs are less likely to be physical refugees from Earth because hey, why give a seat to a monkey when you can give it to a person. However, uplifts are also more likely to have been located close to farcasting facilities and so on, and more likely to be backed up, so infugees seem reasonable. Overall though, they're very uncommon, it seems, and more likely to prefer specialized environments than homo sapiens. 1% of the population seems reasonable (about the same percentage of the current world population with blond hair).
Wed, 2011-03-16 16:43
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Re: Population Demographics Question
I think that any uplift that was part of the Fall Evacuation was more then likely a "Top priority subject" for some hypercorp. I don't think that individual (if they are even still alive) could be a PC.
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Thu, 2011-03-17 09:56
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Re: Population Demographics Question
I don't think those two are mutually exclusive. Hypercorps disappear, with some assets too far to be worth collecting. Old research subjects lose their value, and need to be destroyed or released. Or you can have scientists who, 2 BF say "the situation here is getting a little sensitive. Let's move our experiments elsewhere to avoid possible disruption", or you may have a scientist who says "we're all supposed to evacuate, but these uplifts are sentient creatures and can't be abandoned. I'll upload their backups to my portable data storage device when I evacuate."
Thu, 2011-03-17 10:26
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Re: Population Demographics Question
I'm just saying I wouldn't allow one of my Uplift players to choose the Fall Evacuee background (you can in your game). I would allow the Re-instated background though (as you pointed out, it is very likely that a scientist egocast this experiments before evacuating him/herself.
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Thu, 2011-03-17 19:30
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Re: Population Demographics Question
I don't think its possible for them to choose the "Fall Evacuee" background for a whole different reason... they kinda have to choose the "Uplift" background. :D
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Thu, 2011-03-17 21:11
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Re: Population Demographics Question
Sorry didn't have my book with me. Disregard my last post.
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