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bio Conservative view of food

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travelnjones travelnjones's picture
bio Conservative view of food
So how does Bio Cons work with food. It almost seems like they would be adverse to any gene modified food that is not grown from seed in the ground. Living in California there are many big arguments about modified crops here. Strawberries with frostban and such. How would you see this. I could see someone looking at fabbed food with some serious suspicion. How would this change the Jovian junta to require space for food growth. I personally think zero farmers growing everything for the junta as an explanation for why there are so many there. Workforce would be needed. It may even give a bit of dignity to zeros. Them working to do their part for the Junta and feeling their work is vital to society.
Yerameyahu Yerameyahu's picture
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There *is* the perfectly valid option of 'we don't care about the food, just people'. I agree that the issue would be an important one for some people, though.
Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Food is something people care about. Disgust, feelings of purity or tradition, ideas about naturalness and of course culture play a big role. So it is pretty likely the Junta is encouraging "real" food - hydroponically grown plants, maybe even soil grown plants, animal meat and so on (sure, in a pinch processed yeast and algae work, but they are nothing to look forward to). Meanwhile many societies think that eating fabbed food is the moral thing to do. Carrot juice constitutes murder - you destroy a complex organism for your own sustenance.
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Yerameyahu Yerameyahu's picture
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I think you're right, but that's two issues getting mixed together (as they tend to do): let's call it 'food morality' (meat-is-murder, or even your carrot juice example), and 'food sanctity' (no-GMO, no-frankenfood, and/or no-fab-food). My earlier point was only that these *can* be separate from other cultural rules about 'people' (no-clones, no-augmentation, no-uplifts), and from other rules about technology (no-advanced-nano, no-thinking-machines, no-nukes, whatever). You can definitely believe in the sanctity of people but not of food, or the reverse, or both, or neither. :) That said, I'm not claiming that's how the Jovians think. I think they're sort of the 'bad guys', so it's easy to assume they're negative on 'food morality', but high on 'food sanctity'… a sort of 'back to nature' conservatism?
The Green Slime The Green Slime's picture
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As I imagine it the Jovies would have no choice but to rely on fabbed food for their large population, spread as it is across multiple barren moons in insular radiation-shielded habs. The food would be pretty awful but is nutrient dense enough to keep a flat alive. At the same time, there's strong ideological pressure to value only 'real' food, which the junta keeps tightly rationed to all but the military elite; maybe once in a blue Jupiter select households might be awarded a nobbly potato or a Hershey bar for excellent service at work or registering a pregnancy. Earning recognition in this system, and navigating the corruption within it, occupies most Jovies' lives just as much as the open mesh occupies transhumans.
Wyldknight Wyldknight's picture
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Do hydroponically grown plants really take up that much room? Why couldn't they grow room after room full of water and plants? The water could be easily recycled again and again so I don't think to much of it would be lost in the process.
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mickykitsune mickykitsune's picture
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The Jovian Republic seems like the most likely place to find Soylent Green, for that matter.
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root root's picture
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root@Bioconservative view of food [hr] In addition to the rhetorical desire for pure food, the Jovian Republics memetic engineers can work to inculcate a consistent set of eating rituals in the culture as a whole and make it a powerful reminder of the stark differences between humans and transhumans. Jovian citizens eat three meals a day, and if they work to make one of those meals a "family meal", this is a daily reinforcement of what makes a Jovian a Jovian. This becomes a trope so embedded in Jovian culture that entertainment media would only have to show a few frames of a completely normal looking humanoid with different eating habits to clearly indicate to the audience that this character is other, and should be considered as such. The beauty of developing such a memetic hook is that the memetic engineers can come at it from a completely innocuous direction like nutrition and family values. The fact that it can be used to manipulate culture is a byproduct beneficial to the memetic engineers, and we have already seen evidence of this working. In fact this sort of "engineering of consent" was the birth of Public Relations. Bacon and eggs are still considered a "normal" American breakfast, courtesy of Edward Bernays, a charismatic nephew of the infamous Sigmund Freud.
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Arenamontanus Arenamontanus's picture
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Hydroponic gardening can be very space efficient, since it can be done in 3D. Transparent racks of plastic holders from floor to ceiling, like a green data center. Just some randomly grabbed links: http://www.cityfarmer.info/2009/11/20/time-magazine-names-valcents-verti... http://panacea-bocaf.org/verticalfarming.htm It is also easy to combine with aquaculture where you farm fishes in the water and use waste for fish-food. Probably not quite as effective as algae tanks, but looks much better, provides therapeutic gardening (very important - astronauts generally report the lack of greenery to be extremely frustrating) and uses diverse species, making it a bit more robust than single-celled farming. It is worth remembering that as people become wealthier, food becomes a smaller fraction of what they spend their income on. But that also allows food to become more than mere nutrition - culture, ethics, style, everything that drives gourmet restaurant, organic farming and microbreweries. Jovians are likely to embrace this. I wonder about gourmet dining on Solano? Maybe this is the most exclusive eating you can get.
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nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture
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The Junta has no problem with genetically modified food. They are bioconservatives, yes, but they're 22nd century bioconservatives. Just like I'm sure there were once people who took issue with orange carrots, and then GMOs, in EP the issue is with nanotechnology and hugely modified biologies. I assume the Republic uses food production just like people talk about producing food now in space stations. Modified plants and algae in hydroponics, mostly.
Demonseed Elite Demonseed Elite's picture
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nezumi.hebereke wrote:
The Junta has no problem with genetically modified food. They are bioconservatives, yes, but they're 22nd century bioconservatives. Just like I'm sure there were once people who took issue with orange carrots, and then GMOs, in EP the issue is with nanotechnology and hugely modified biologies.
I have to agree with this. After all, splicers are acceptable in Jovian society and they are genefixed humans, so I can't imagine them ruling out genetically-modified food. Though I do like the idea of a cultural significance to "natural" food in the Jovian Republic, making it a status symbol and having everyday rituals that feature it.
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Decivre Decivre's picture
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Also note that bioconservatism, much like conservatism before it, is a political spectrum, not just a singular stance. I imagine that there are multiple political parties within the Junta (at least two), each with differing stances on the whole issue. There likely aren't any full techno-progressivist groups, but there are probably groups within that are more pragmatic than paranoid about technology.
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Wayfinder Wayfinder's picture
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Bioconservatives, being utterly pragmatic, would not have an issue with food provided it was healthy, good, and whatever. There are bigger fish to fry than what we eat. They would rather be focused on the issue at hand, which is the survival of Humanity.
Yerameyahu Yerameyahu's picture
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I can't tell if you're being sarcastic.
Decivre Decivre's picture
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Bioconservative groups likely still use classical-yet-efficient means of modifying crop: cross-breeding, crop rotation, and the best pesticides short of nanotech. I'd also imagine that they have made vast advances in engineering and chemistry tricks which are researched explicitly to equate to (at least to some degree) the advances of nanotechnology... a sort of parallel technological progress. Over time, this may become a progress that makes them a vastly different culture than that of transhumanity.
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