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Price of Eclipse Phase books

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Sat, 2011-02-05 05:48

Angstspawn Angstspawn's picture

Price of Eclipse Phase books

Eclipse Phase is a great game but there's a small problem about it... it's retail price (at least here in France). For you to have an idea you can find the rule book in specialized game stores for $60... It would acceptable if I was sure that most of the money was going to the creators of the game but I hardly think so. Even if aimed at experienced gamers (it's not for initiation) Eclipse Phase is what RPG need most: news, inventive, beautiful and last but not least an open universe offering infinite opportunities of fun. My point is that maybe you can try to offer main european players the possibility to directly purchase your game and supplement at a descent price (including shipping). Most probably you'll get more money for each copy sold and at the same time the price will be cheaper for us. For classical pen and paper RPG I think that distributors and retailers are... the past (if any future is left to our hobby). They cannot really promote or develop RPG as they lost all links to new generations of potential players as most probably they surrendered in front of MMORPG develpment. As if planes make bicycles useless! If there are others european players I'd be curious to know what's the price of Eclipse Phase rulebook in their city...

Sat, 2011-02-05 08:49

Albertorius Albertorius's picture

Re: Price of Eclipse Phase books

I'm european, too (spanish), and one of my copies of the core rulebook was bought from a (Not so)FLGS. I paid 34 euros for it, around $45. For the copy I bought fron an online retailer I paid 28 euros, around $38. Amazon sells it for a bit more than $31. I'd say that the problem here might be the game store where you're trying to buy it, honestly. Even then, the price of the core rulebook is $49.99 without any discount, not $60. And EVEN THEN, Posthuman is one of the very few companies that has released the book as Creative Commons, so you can just download the pdf for free and read it, paying natch if that's your fancy. How much cheaper would you expect it to be?

Sat, 2011-02-05 10:14

Quincey Forder Quincey Forder's picture

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If you are in or near Paris, I'd suggest you go to L'Oeuf Cube, near the métro station Jussieu. They have plenty of choice, and their prices are really decent. I don't know if La Guilde du Rôliste, near Boulevard Sebastopol (métro ligne 4) still exist to this day (last time I was there was in 2002 for a Fading Suns demo organized by Multisim shortly before Multisim went down), but their prices were quite affordable. if you're in the north, I would suggest you make a quick trip to Brussels, and check out L'Antre-Jeux (357 Avenue de la Couronne, 1140 Bruxelles). that's where I get my dead trees versions of my rpg, both in French and English hope that'll help

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Sun, 2011-02-06 18:32

mickykitsune mickykitsune's picture

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If we're getting charged that much, there's the possibility of maybe looking into improving the quality of the binding? The printing is wonderful, but the binding feels flimsy at best even when the books are brand new.

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Sun, 2011-02-06 20:45

Draconis

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I've always disliked the thinness of the pages.

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Mon, 2011-02-07 04:39

kowalzcky

Re: Price of Eclipse Phase books

Im from Spain, and had paid betwen 32 and 42 € for the books, I always bought them in Amzon because the good offers, but I´ve waited alot for them; now I have and order for the Gatecrashing book and the GM Screen both of them for 44$(around 37€). Anyways a great price, at least for Spain where all RPG book are around 60 €, and usually the book sellers just set the same price in euros and dollars!( 60$=60€ @.@) and its an clear abuse. At least form my experience, all the books have a great quality, boog paper, nice printing and so; the only thing I regret is to not be able to buy directly to the developers the books; I can do it with pdfs, but Im quite a bit old fashioned with that hehehehe I need to feel the paper in my hands

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Mon, 2011-02-07 10:06

nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture

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Why not buy the pdf then go to your local Kinkos and print it out and bind it? PHS is still getting their cut. You're just cutting out the shipping and distribution people. I'm pretty sure that's legit under CC too, as long as you don't try to resell it.

Mon, 2011-02-07 13:35

thelabmonkey thelabmonkey's picture

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Oh, man. Printing at Kinkos would cost almost as much as just buying the hardcopy.

Mon, 2011-02-07 15:51

The Doctor The Doctor's picture

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thelabmonkey wrote:
Oh, man. Printing at Kinkos would cost almost as much as just buying the hardcopy.

Purchasing the dead-tree edition turned out to be cheaper than printing the PDF out at Kinko's. Their prices border on exorbitant unless one is running off a few dozen copies.

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Mon, 2011-02-07 16:07

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nezumi.hebereke nezumi.hebereke's picture

Re: Price of Eclipse Phase books

Ouch, sorry... What about just... printing it at home? Is that an option? Then hole punch it and put it in a binder. Not as pretty, but if you just need a book at a table, it'll work.

Mon, 2011-02-07 18:11

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AdamJury

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Draconis wrote:
I've always disliked the thinness of the pages.

Please compare the paper in the Catalyst core books to that in Sunward and Gatecrashing -- it's been improved!

Mon, 2011-02-07 18:16

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AdamJury

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Angstspawn wrote:
My point is that maybe you can try to offer main european players the possibility to directly purchase your game and supplement at a descent price (including shipping). Most probably you'll get more money for each copy sold and at the same time the price will be cheaper for us.

We're working on direct order options, but the simple size of our company (even with our partnership with Sandstorm) means that some things aren't practical. Would we make more money if we wold a title to you directly as opposed to selling it to a distributor and then a store? For sure. But those stores are important too, and I don't think our prices are out of line compared to our competition, especially given our quality.

Mon, 2011-02-07 22:01

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HappyDazeAreHer... HappyDazeAreHereAgain's picture

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I don't mind the prices on the books. I always feel like I'm getting my money worth with the EP line, especially since I preview the free pdfs. I just can't bring myself to pay for something I can get for free, but I have bought all the books. Also, the paper thickness has indeed improved since the core book. The quality of Gatecrashing seems especially good.

Tue, 2011-02-08 02:29

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kowalzcky

Re: Price of Eclipse Phase books

I think the price of the books in online shops, is very competitive, at least for Spain, as I said, the shops here, overcharge the RPG books alot. I mean if i can buy it in Amazon for a total of 44 $ and they sell the same book to me in my city for 60€(32$)....well its easy to choose. I have printed versions of the books too, but how I really enjoy reading the book in with a good deadtree edition, I´m quite special with that hehehehe. Anyways, a color printing here is as expensive as buying the deadtree book with worse quality, so the black and white printed is for "rought use" in games and the other one is for me. Anyways, I hope you to grow enought to put your own online "dead tree edition" shop online; you´re doing a great job!

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Tue, 2011-02-08 03:19

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Draconis

Re: Price of Eclipse Phase books

AdamJury wrote:
Draconis wrote:
I've always disliked the thinness of the pages.
Please compare the paper in the Catalyst core books to that in Sunward and Gatecrashing -- it's been improved!

Hey! You're totally right. Ok discount what I said before. I hadn't messed with my hardcopies of sunward and gatecrashing just the pdfs so I didn't notice. Still a limited edition core book would be nice. }; )

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Thu, 2011-02-10 03:59

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Valyar